Question How would an E5-2690 v2 compare to an E5-2695 v2

[jamesdsimone]

10 cores vs 12 but core speed is 3.0-3.6Ghz vs 2.4-3.2Ghz?

 

[Shmee]

What is the use case? What would be the rest of the system?

 

[kschendel]

I think you've answered it yourself. Two fewer cores and slightly better single-core speeds. Whether either matters, and if so how much, depends entirely on what you're doing with it.

 

[jamesdsimone]

What is the use case? What would be the rest of the system?

Mostly for Handbrake, it has 4x8 Gb DDR3 1866 in quad channel. I can pick up a E5-2690 v2 for 15USD on ebay so thought I would might grab one. The E5-2695 v2 only hits 2.8 Ghz not sure why temps seem ok.

 

[jamesdsimone]

I have several friends interested in gaming PC but don't have a lot of money. Which of these CPU's would be best for gaming. I'm trying to keep the build under 400USD. I can get a base system for 150.00 and all the these CPU's are under 30USD though the prices seem to vary. I'm thinking the 8 core CPU's would be the best?

E5-2690 v2 10 core 3.0-3.6Ghz
E5-2667 v2 8 core 3.3-4.0Ghz
E5-2687 v2 8 core 3.4-4.0Ghz
E5-2697 v2 12 core 2.7-3.5Ghz
E5-1660 v2 6 core 3.7-4.0Ghz

 

[Thunder 57]

I have several friends interested in gaming PC but don't have a lot of money. Which of these CPU's would be best for gaming. I'm trying to keep the build under 400USD. I can get a base system for 150.00 and all the these CPU's are under 30USD though the prices seem to vary. I'm thinking the 8 core CPU's would be the best?

E5-2690 v2 10 core 3.0-3.6Ghz
E5-2667 v2 8 core 3.3-4.0Ghz
E5-2687 v2 8 core 3.4-4.0Ghz
E5-2697 v2 12 core 2.7-3.5Ghz
E5-1660 v2 6 core 3.7-4.0Ghz

Probably one of the 8 cores but those are really old at this point. It might be better to just save some money and eventually get something newer. You could probably get some used parts and build an AM4 system on the cheaper side these days. The 5600X is selling for just under $100 on ebay. Pair that with a cheap motherboard and RAM and that would be far better than any Ivy Bridge CPU.

Or wait for deals like one currently on Amazon. A 5600X for $120, but that sale ends in just over 3 hours. Also, what do you plan on using for a GPU if the budget is <$400?

 

[jamesdsimone]

Probably one of the 8 cores but those are really old at this point. It might be better to just save some money and eventually get something newer. You could probably get some used parts and build an AM4 system on the cheaper side these days. The 5600X is selling for just under $100 on ebay. Pair that with a cheap motherboard and RAM and that would be far better than any Ivy Bridge CPU.

Or wait for deals like one currently on Amazon. A 5600X for $120, but that sale ends in just over 3 hours. ALso, what do you plan on using for a GPU if the budget is <$400?

Sure they are old but they still have plenty of performance for entry level gaming. They are practically free. If I was doing a budget build for myself you might be right but I can get a base system with Case/MB/64Gb ram/PS and even CPU for 150USB. I wanted to upgrade the CPU for a few extra dollars. I was looking at maybe an RX590 or RX 5700/5700XT or 1080ti. The system doesn't have to run 2024 A1 titles.

 

[Thunder 57]

Sure they are old but they still have plenty of performance for entry level gaming. They are practically free. If I was doing a budget build for myself you might be right but I can get a base system with Case/MB/64Gb ram/PS and even CPU for 150USB. I wanted to upgrade the CPU for a few extra dollars. I was looking at maybe an RX590 or RX 5700/5700XT or 1080ti. The system doesn't have to run 2024 A1 titles.

I was just giving you my opinion. I don't think that will age well but maybe it's fine for what you are looking for. I wouldn't recommend an RX 590 either. It is a power hog for little benefit over an RX 580. If you go that route I'd recommend the 8GB version. If you can get an RX 5700/XT though, that would be a significant upgrade.

 

[lakedude]

Sure they are old but they still have plenty of performance for entry level gaming.

Yeah Ivy Bridge was awesome a just a decade or so ago. It is hard for people around here to suggest anything below a certain level.

If we are just talking about gaming I've historically preferred narrow and fast to wide and slow (within reason) because some tasks just don't scale well.

Please have a quick peek at this chart, notice that the CPUs with higher core counts do better in multi-threaded, while lower core counts do better with single threaded, as expected:

 

[Thunder 57]

Yeah Ivy Bridge was awesome a just a decade or so ago. It is hard for people around here to suggest anything below a certain level.

If we are just talking about gaming I've historically preferred narrow and fast to wide and slow (within reason) because some tasks just don't scale well.

Please have a quick peek at this chart, notice that as expected the CPUs with higher core counts do better in multi-threaded, while lower core counts do better with single threaded, as expected:

Well yes, but they get their butts kicked in every possible way.



Depending on the games, that may not matter. But I thought it was worth mentioning. Half the TDP and far more performance.

 

[Shmee]

I wonder, how do chips like the E5 1660 v3 and the E5 2699 v3 compare?

 

[Thunder 57]

I wonder, how do chips like the E5 1660 v3 and the E5 2699 v3 compare?

Probably a good bit better. You have the update to Haswell and you also get AVX2 on top of that which I imagine would help with Handbrake. I figured they were a different socket but it seems they are not. One would still have to check with motherboard support though.

 

[Markfw]

Probably a good bit better. You have the update to Haswell and you also get AVX2 on top of that which I imagine would help with Handbrake. I figured they were a different socket but it seems they are not. One would still have to check with motherboard support though.

No expert here, but are we talking 2011 vs 2011-3 sockets ?

 

[Thunder 57]

No expert here, but are we talking 2011 vs 2011-3 sockets ?

I just looked them up real quick on the Intel Ark. I think you are right.

 

[jamesdsimone]

I wonder, how do chips like the E5 1660 v3 and the E5 2699 v3 compare?

In gaming? It's difficult to find benchmarks for a lot of the server chips but there are some and they perform extremely well. Here is a 3700x vs E5-2689. The benchmarks are pretty impressive and the E5-2689 is a Sandy Bridge. The Ivy Bridge I assume with do even better.

Well yes, but they get their butts kicked in every possible way.

True but the 5600x alone is almost the same price as the whole Ivy Bridge system. Haswell/Broadwell are better but cost more. I can get an E5-2667 v2 for 24USD, an E5-2687 v2 for 30. A base system would run over 400USD before the GPU. The Ivy bridge system might need a PS upgrade so that might increase the base price.

5600x 128
case 40
MB 70
memory 60-120
PS 75
GPU same
SSD 20
HD 20
Optical 25

The Ivy Bridge is 150.00 with Windows 10. So budget wise it is no contest.

 

[jamesdsimone]

I just looked them up real quick on the Intel Ark. I think you are right.

The Ivy Bridge is 2011 and the Haswell/Broadwell are 2011-3 I think.

 

[IEC]

Careful. AVX2 was only introduced with Haswell, but is already over 10 years old. There have been several games in the past few years which did not work with older CPUs not supporting AVX2 out of the box and only later were patched to allow running without it.

I would assume at some point developers won't bother supporting rigs that old any more. If your CPU doesn't support an extension, that's it, it's e-waste at that point. It won't lock you out of much currently, but that will change quickly given mobile devices have more powerful CPUs than these ancient chips at this point.

 

[Markfw]

according to wikipedia, Ivy Bridge

LGA 2011, LGA 1356, LGA 2011-1

And Haswell

• LGA 1150
• rPGA 947
• BGA 1364
• BGA 1168
• LGA 2011-v3

And Broadwell

• LGA 1150
• BGA 1364
• LGA 2011-v3

 

[Thunder 57]

Careful. AVX2 was only introduced with Haswell, but is already over 10 years old. There have been several games in the past few years which did not work with older CPUs not supporting AVX2 out of the box and only later were patched to allow running without it.

I would assume at some point developers won't bother supporting rigs that old any more. If your CPU doesn't support an extension, that's it, it's e-waste at that point. It won't lock you out of much currently, but that will change quickly given mobile devices have more powerful CPUs than these ancient chips at this point.

That's why I made sure to mention AVX2. It will almost certainly speed up Handbrake, but you don't actually need it for that. I knew AVX only games were a thing, but I didn't know we reached the point where now AVX2 is required as well for some.

It makes sense. AVX2 has been out forever now and is a pretty big deal. There is a reason you can get those parts at fire sale prices. How much more would a Haswell/Broadwell version cost?

 

[Markfw]

That's why I made sure to mention AVX2. It will almost certainly speed up Handbrake, but you don't actually need it for that. I knew AVX only games were a thing, but I didn't know we reached the point where now AVX2 is required as well for some.

It makes sense. AVX2 has been out forever now and is a pretty big deal. There is a reason you can get those parts at fire sale prices. How much more would a Haswell/Broadwell version cost?

My question would be, unless price is prohibitive, why invest in such an old platform ? Also, you need old memory (DDR2 ? DDR3 ?) which may be hard to get/expensive and features like sata may not be there or very slow...

 

[jamesdsimone]

My question would be, unless price is prohibitive, why invest in such an old platform ? Also, you need old memory (DDR2 ? DDR3 ?) which may be hard to get/expensive and features like sata may not be there or very slow...

The Ivy Bridge platform uses DDR3 ECC. I just got 4x16Gb PC1866 ECC Samsung for 28USD. They run in quad channel so you are getting DDR4 dual channel bandwidth. Not sure if latency is better or worse. They have USB 3.0 and SATA 6. The Haswell/Broadwell/Skylake all support AVX2 but are more expensive. Skylake uses ECC DDR4 which is more expensive. 4x16Gb Micron PC2666 cost me about 100USD.

I would assume at some point developers won't bother supporting rigs that old any more. If your CPU doesn't support an extension, that's it, it's e-waste at that point. It won't lock you out of much currently, but that will change quickly given mobile devices have more powerful CPUs than these ancient chips at this point.

Which is why you can pick these CPU's up for next to nothing. 99% of people who use Xeon systems , mostly businesses I assume, aren't looking for used chips. I payed 15USD for an e5-2690 v2. Not sure what they actually sold for but they listed at 2061USD when they came out. I don't see the big deal about AVX2. So you might not be able to run something that comes out 2 years from now. I'm doing super budget builds. The games benchmarked in the youtube video all ran fine on a Sandy bridge.

 

[Thunder 57]

My question would be, unless price is prohibitive, why invest in such an old platform ? Also, you need old memory (DDR2 ? DDR3 ?) which may be hard to get/expensive and features like sata may not be there or very slow...

Price seems to be the primary factor. My opinion would be to not spend money on obsolete hardware. I would hold on to it until I had enough to do something more modern.

Memory doesn't seem to be an issue as he said $150 for everything but the GPU. But then like he said you start running into problems like having to upgrade the PSU anyway. Then there is the fact it almost certainly doesn't support NVMe. There is a reason there aren't many videos comparing old server CPU's for gaming. It's generally a bad idea, and I think you (or your friends) may end up regretting it.

If gaming is the goal, why not get a console? It would be new and have a warranty. Or, as much as I think Linus is a turd, watch his "PS5" PC video. You can do a whole lot better if you can strech the budget to $500.

 

[lakedude]

Well yes, but they get their butts kicked in every possible way.

Of course, but your givin CPU budget is $30. You are 3 or 4x over budget. Of course you can do better by spending 3 or 4x as much.

 

[jamesdsimone]

Of course, but your givin CPU budget is $30. You are 3 or 4x over budget. Of course you can do better by spending 3 or 4x as much.

None of these builds are for me, they are for people on very tight budgets who want to be able to try PC gaming so 500 is over budget.

 

[Thunder 57]

None of these builds are for me, they are for people on very tight budgets who want to be able to try PC gaming so 500 is over budget.

If you are looking for a budget gaming build have you considered getting a 5600G? I would take a modern system over an e-waste system any day. Think about it, you spend $150 on an e-waste system, another $30 to replace it with an e-waste CPU, who knows how much more for a PSU, just to put in a fancy new-ish video card? You would be stuck with a hot running CPU with some old crap small & slow SSD/HDD. And if something breaks you're screwed. And if something does break or there is some other issue with it, who do you think they are going to call first? You might not mind since these are friends but it is something to consider.

With a modern platform I think you would be better off. A 5600G can handle older games pretty well. Then, when the time is right, they can put in a video card and not be bottlenecked by an outdated platform.