How will Subway pitchman Jared Fogle weather FBI investigation?

[mzkhadir]

I'll take wife files for divorce, for $500 Alex.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/jared-fogles-wife-filing-divorce-161600017.html

Jared Fogle will be out of a lot of money due to this.

 

[bshole]

Jared Fogle will be out of a lot of money due to this.

After the civil lawsuits he will be penniless. He will be an unemployable pariah when he is released from prison (if he survives the experience). He most likely will subsist on welfare for the rest of his miserable life.

Shockingly, the most punishment he can receive is a paltry 12 years in a federal pen. That seems like a slap on the wrist given the enormity of his crime.

Oddly enough, for the whole of human history prior to the 20th century, sex with minors was not considered immoral or criminal. It is only in the modern era that we as humans have become disgusted and morally outraged by it.

 

[mzkhadir]

After the civil lawsuits he will be penniless. He will be an unemployable pariah when he is released from prison (if he survives the experience). He most likely will subsist on welfare for the rest of his miserable life.

Shockingly, the most punishment he can receive is a paltry 12 years in a federal pen. That seems like a slap on the wrist given the enormity of his crime.

Oddly enough, for the whole of human history prior to the 20th century, sex with minors was not considered immoral or criminal. It is only in the modern era that we as humans have become disgusted and morally outraged by it.

I think he went into states where the consent age was low.

 

[preslove]

Does this plea deal prevent Indiana or New York prosecutors from pursuing charges? If not, they might take a crack at him after the feds are done.

 

[brianmanahan]

Oddly enough, for the whole of human history prior to the 20th century, sex with minors was not considered immoral or criminal. It is only in the modern era that we as humans have become disgusted and morally outraged by it.

not every modern-day society considers it disgusting

see: middle east

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

After the civil lawsuits he will be penniless. He will be an unemployable pariah when he is released from prison (if he survives the experience). He most likely will subsist on welfare for the rest of his miserable life.

Shockingly, the most punishment he can receive is a paltry 12 years in a federal pen. That seems like a slap on the wrist given the enormity of his crime.

Oddly enough, for the whole of human history prior to the 20th century, sex with minors was not considered immoral or criminal. It is only in the modern era that we as humans have become disgusted and morally outraged by it.

It is not necessarily the case that 12 years is the max here. The prosecutor agreed not to argue for more time than that, but the judge is not limited by the prosecutor's recommendation, and Fogle can't back out of the plea deal if he is sentenced to an amount greater than the recommended sentence. It's expressly dealt with in the agreement. In any case, I would consider 12 years a fairly harsh sentence for viewing some CP and having sex with some 16+-year-old prostitutes. There is no allegation he had sexual contact with anyone who was not a sex worker as far as I know.

My sense (and it's admittedly just my sense) is that Jared has been cooperating with the FBI since at least April, when Russell Taylor was arrested. Taylor, who, it appears, manufactured and distributed child porn, is the bigger fish here, and it may well be the case that Fogle was given the deal he was based on his cooperation.

Even if Fogle had not cooperated up until now, since he has now been convicted, he no longer has a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination with respect to the offenses of which he has been committed, and the authorities can make him testify against Taylor. By way of analogy, when I was in the AF I once prosecuted a guy who had, with his buddy, stolen a bunch of military equipment. Immediately after he pled guilty and was sentenced, I sat down with him to interrogate him about the actions of his friend, who had not yet been tried. He was REALLY pissed at me, and we kept him shackled and under guard the entire time we talked, but he did play ball.

 

[Sonikku]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/jared-fogle-barely-hid-his-lust-for-minors.html

Hard to believe his wife was completely oblivious. Did she really not know anything? Or was she staying hush hush to ride the millionaire husband gravy train til it ran out of gas?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/jared-fogle-barely-hid-his-lust-for-minors.html

Hard to believe his wife was completely oblivious. Did she really not know anything? Or was she staying hush hush to ride the millionaire husband gravy train til it ran out of gas?

I could easily imagine that she didn't know. He would very likely have kept that part of his life private. I have worked on numerous cases like this, including one of the worst molestation cases I have ever even heard of (and I have seen a lot - I been in practice for 17 years, and was raised by a 21-year judge who was previously a criminal defense attorney). In each case I sincerely believed the spouse had no idea.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

I really haven't read much about this case, so I am curious, what were the ages of these victims? Though it is wrong for a man of his age to seek out *young* girls, you have to to admit there are teen sluts actively promoting, and seeking. So, who is receiving a portion of the million plus *compensation* package? an 8 year old, or a slut? How much should a female teacher *compensate* a male teen student that she *abused*?

 

[TheGardener]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/jared-fogle-barely-hid-his-lust-for-minors.html

Hard to believe his wife was completely oblivious. Did she really not know anything? Or was she staying hush hush to ride the millionaire husband gravy train til it ran out of gas?

Nothing in the article or others I've read that support your assumption. I guess according to your way of thinking, every wife in this country and the world should be under the assumption that the husband is cheating or is pedophile.

 

[TheGardener]

People assume that the FBI conducts cases as quickly as the TV shows do. They don't have the restraints of 1 hour to finish the job. They take months to build up cases like this. They want to use a net to flush out as many of these pervs as they can. That's why the FBI has evidence on Fogle going back as far as 7 to 10 years ago. They had Fogle on multiple counts of multiple offenses. When they raid a home or office like Jared's, they probably already have enough evidence to convict.

 

[GoPackGo]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/jared-fogle-barely-hid-his-lust-for-minors.html

Hard to believe his wife was completely oblivious. Did she really not know anything? Or was she staying hush hush to ride the millionaire husband gravy train til it ran out of gas?

I am quite sure he was the only john that those prostitutes ever had sex for money with.

 

[preslove]

Do we actually know that these were prostitutes before meeting him? Or are they just girls he found through his non profit or through social media and convinced to have sex?

Given how he had a fixation for "middle school girls" and always wanted younger, I think he had a thing for young, untouched girls. This would tend to support, "found highschool girls and convinced them to prostitute themselves."

 

[HeXen]

Abstractly curious, is it sick just the same to have a fetish for old women?

 

[brianmanahan]

Abstractly curious, is it sick just the same to have a fetish for old women?

the creepiness equation:

younger age < (older age / 2) + 7

so if you are 30, it is creepy if the woman is 46 or older

if you are 40, it is creepy if the woman is 66 or older

and if you're 50, ok unless she's 86 or older

so basically once you reach mid-40's, you're scot-free

 

[OutHouse]

 

[werepossum]

It is not necessarily the case that 12 years is the max here. The prosecutor agreed not to argue for more time than that, but the judge is not limited by the prosecutor's recommendation, and Fogle can't back out of the plea deal if he is sentenced to an amount greater than the recommended sentence. It's expressly dealt with in the agreement. In any case, I would consider 12 years a fairly harsh sentence for viewing some CP and having sex with some 16+-year-old prostitutes. There is no allegation he had sexual contact with anyone who was not a sex worker as far as I know.

My sense (and it's admittedly just my sense) is that Jared has been cooperating with the FBI since at least April, when Russell Taylor was arrested. Taylor, who, it appears, manufactured and distributed child porn, is the bigger fish here, and it may well be the case that Fogle was given the deal he was based on his cooperation.

Even if Fogle had not cooperated up until now, since he has now been convicted, he no longer has a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination with respect to the offenses of which he has been committed, and the authorities can make him testify against Taylor. By way of analogy, when I was in the AF I once prosecuted a guy who had, with his buddy, stolen a bunch of military equipment. Immediately after he pled guilty and was sentenced, I sat down with him to interrogate him about the actions of his friend, who had not yet been tried. He was REALLY pissed at me, and we kept him shackled and under guard the entire time we talked, but he did play ball.

But it's a slap on the wrist compared to the maximum 30 years each count for some of the girls who were thirteen or fourteen. That's some hard time - and it's federal time, which means he'd likely do most of it.

I could easily imagine that she didn't know. He would very likely have kept that part of his life private. I have worked on numerous cases like this, including one of the worst molestation cases I have ever even heard of (and I have seen a lot - I been in practice for 17 years, and was raised by a 21-year judge who was previously a criminal defense attorney). In each case I sincerely believed the spouse had no idea.

I have problem believing that his wife was utterly oblivious. Most spouses give each other a considerable amount of trust and it's not like he's going to come back from a "meeting about a possible commercial endorsement" reeking of Astroglide and Hilary Duff perfume.

Okay, I creeped myself out typing that. Hope the judge gives the bastard thirty years making little rocks out of big rocks. There's a diet plan I'd like to see him advertise.

"Hello, my name is Jared Fogle. I lost over two hundred pounds eating only Subway Sandwiches, which allowed me to pursue my lifelong dream of being a sexual predator on middle school girls." "Cut!"

 

[werepossum]

the creepiness equation:



so if you are 30, it is creepy if the woman is 46 or older

if you are 40, it is creepy if the woman is 66 or older

and if you're 50, ok unless she's 86 or older

so basically once you reach mid-40's, you're scot-free

Unless and until you run into a hot octogenarian. What to do, what to do . . .

 

[who?]

This might be legal in Mexico but US prosecutors might go after any american who travels to do this.

 

[halik]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/jared-fogle-barely-hid-his-lust-for-minors.html

Hard to believe his wife was completely oblivious. Did she really not know anything? Or was she staying hush hush to ride the millionaire husband gravy train til it ran out of gas?

About this; there's no way you can have a side gig of soliciting highschool girls whenever you can while your wife hangs around.

 

[halik]

I could easily imagine that she didn't know. He would very likely have kept that part of his life private. I have worked on numerous cases like this, including one of the worst molestation cases I have ever even heard of (and I have seen a lot - I been in practice for 17 years, and was raised by a 21-year judge who was previously a criminal defense attorney). In each case I sincerely believed the spouse had no idea.

I thought you do trust and estate planning?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I thought you do trust and estate planning?

Ha! No, I don't. I am not the man to ask about trusts and estates. I'm a trial lawyer. When I was in the AF I did a lot of things, but mostly worked in military justice.

 

[Sonikku]

Nothing in the article or others I've read that support your assumption. I guess according to your way of thinking, every wife in this country and the world should be under the assumption that the husband is cheating or is pedophile.

Hardly. One of the articles mentioned he had a wide array of hidden cameras all over his house to capture kids undressing. It just seems strange that the wife never came across one for years while cleaning or whatever. If not a camera, than the wide range of child porn he had. Something. Anything.

 

[alien42]

Hardly. One of the articles mentioned he had a wide array of hidden cameras all over his house to capture kids undressing. It just seems strange that the wife never came across one for years while cleaning or whatever.

that was Russell Taylor, not Jared Fogle.

 

[soulcougher73]

They should make him pay $5 while in prison before they feed him their footlongs between his buns.