How will Subway pitchman Jared Fogle weather FBI investigation?

[TheGardener]

that was Russell Taylor, not Jared Fogle.

That's what I read too.

It's funny how so many wanted to give Fogle the benefit of the doubt after his home was searched by the FBI. But when it comes to his wife, just throw her under the bus. Can you imagine the shit that her kids are going to have to deal with in school? How many friends will the wife and kids retain? I think they deserve some empathy.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Really interesting interview with the woman who first told the FBI about Jared - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jared-fogle-fbi-informant-gives-816731

Apparently the investigation took place over several years, and she repeatedly wore a wire while talking to Jared. The details of what he said are even creepier than we had known previously. Apparently when her kids were 7 and 11, he asked to put cameras in their rooms and let her choose which one he would watch. http://www.thewrap.com/fbis-jared-f...ed-after-helping-take-the-monster-down-video/

 

[soulcougher73]

Really interesting interview with the woman who first told the FBI about Jared - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jared-fogle-fbi-informant-gives-816731

Apparently the investigation took place over several years, and she repeatedly wore a wire while talking to Jared. The details of what he said are even creepier than we had known previously. Apparently when her kids were 7 and 11, he asked to put cameras in their rooms and let her choose which one he would watch. http://www.thewrap.com/fbis-jared-f...ed-after-helping-take-the-monster-down-video/

WTF..dudes sick. Put him down.

 

[rudder]

 

[Perknose]

WTF..dudes sick.

Yes, likely literally.

Pedophiles' brains tend to have significantly less white matter. That's the brain's cabling tissue, which connects different parts of the brain together, and enables us to react appropriately to people and situations.

"Instead of evoking the responses that come with perceiving a kid, it's as if it's cross-wired, and when it sees a kid... it's triggering the sex response system instead of the parental nurturing system," Cantor says in the video.

But if pedophilia is all about the brain being "cross-wired," does it make sense to view pedophiles as evil people deserving only our scorn? Cantor doesn't think so.

"We should be creating situations where they can come in, remain anonymous, and receive sex drive reducing medication, or counseling, or group therapy, or whatever is appropriate to the situation we're in," he says in the video. "We need to be able to be dispassionate, and clinical, and think rationally about the situation, rather than giving into our first instinct which is usually shoot first and ask questions later, which is unfortunately a great deal of public policy."

Herman-Walrond was also not surprised she was not the only person Fogle had confided in after it was revealed in court that a number of informants had been helping the FBI build their case. She speculated that "he had something that was compelling him inside that wanted to reveal to what he was doing."

I've read that many pedophiles are intensely ashamed of their urges, but, without intervention, feel powerless to stop. This is sad on every level.

Put him down.[

No. I hope you (and others) are just rhetorically registering your anger and disguts, because this is an ISIS level response. An eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind.

 

[Sonikku]

Too bad America has a scathing response to psychological and mental illness as well as those that attempt to seek treatment for it.

 

[Phoenix86]

I've read that many pedophiles are intensely ashamed of their urges, but, without intervention, feel powerless to stop. This is sad on every level.

Worse is the % of recidivism (I will never spelt that correctly the first time), with a strong indication it's "hard wired" into their brains, or rather missing wires as your quote indicates.

They often know it's wrong, but "can't stop", and require significantly more monitoring and mental health care. Something we as a society tend to provide too little of once convicted.

 

[Phoenix86]

Too bad America has a scathing response to psychological and mental illness as well as those that attempt to seek treatment for it.

We traded mental health care facilities for jails and stepped back probably 40 years in mental health care. It might have been better when we were performing lobotomies and using shock therapy, at least we realized it was a more of mental issue not criminal.

 

[brianmanahan]

imho, mental illness should not excuse you from the punishment of criminal behavior.

everyone should be equal under the law. even if they are mentally unstable - they did the crime, they do the time.

not guilty due to reason of insanity is too often sought, too often granted, and imho should not even be an option.

 

[Exophase]

We traded mental health care facilities for jails and stepped back probably 40 years in mental health care. It might have been better when we were performing lobotomies and using shock therapy, at least we realized it was a more of mental issue not criminal.

ECT (electro-convulsive therapy, what you called shock therapy) is still a thing and it can actually be pretty effective. The only real side effect is short term memory loss, meaning it's both often more effective than and with less severe side effects than medication (although it can be and often is also used in conjunction with meds). Unfortunately there's a lot of work to get people to know this because it's so stigmatized.

not guilty due to reason of insanity is too often sought, too often granted, and imho should not even be an option.

An insanity plea should be granted if the nature of your mental illness prevented you from even understanding what you're doing. Like if you kill a random person because you believed they were about to shoot someone due to a hallucination. But I agree that they shouldn't be granted if someone's wrongdoing was merely tied to mental illness, and they rarely are.

 

[lxskllr]

not guilty due to reason of insanity is too often sought, too often granted, and imho should not even be an option.

It's hardly ever granted. An insanity defense is the Hail Mary pass, and it isn't granted as often as it should be. The standards are too strict, and unrealistic.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It's hardly ever granted. An insanity defense is the Hail Mary pass, and it isn't granted as often as it should be. The standards are too strict, and unrealistic.

It is indeed exceptionally rare. I was able to secure an acquittal for my client in a first-degree murder case with an insanity defense a few years ago, but fortunately in that instance all of the experts (ours, the Court's, and the prosecutor's) all agreed he was not guilty by reason of insanity, so the case was never submitted to a jury. In practice when the defense reaches a jury it is extraordinarily rarely accepted. I think because insanity defenses are often used as a dramatic device in TV and film, people believe they are much more common than they actually are.

I actually don't agree the insanity defense is granted too seldom. It is indeed a high bar, but it really has to be. The majority of people who commit violent crimes could be diagnosed with some form of mental illness, and as a society we can't afford to have every defendant with a mental disorder acquitted on that basis.

 

[Ichinisan]

I actually don't agree the insanity defense is granted too seldom. It is indeed a high bar, but it really has to be. The majority of people who commit violent crimes could be diagnosed with some form of mental illness, and as a society we can't afford to have every defendant with a mental disorder acquitted on that basis.

Yup. I'd like to think many people who might think they could get away with an insanity defense will be deterred from committing the crime. Someone who knows right-from-wrong but could play dumb about it.

 

[feralkid]

imho, mental illness should not excuse you from the punishment of criminal behavior.

everyone should be equal under the law. even if they are mentally unstable - they did the crime, they do the time.

not guilty due to reason of insanity is too often sought, too often granted, and imho should not even be an option.

How about children who get off because of their age?

Seems to me, by your logic, if they do the crime, they should also do the time?

 

[Rakehellion]

Jared Fogle is going to get 5 to 13 years...


















Just the way he likes it...

:awe:

 

[lxskllr]

I actually don't agree the insanity defense is granted too seldom. It is indeed a high bar, but it really has to be. The majority of people who commit violent crimes could be diagnosed with some form of mental illness, and as a society we can't afford to have every defendant with a mental disorder acquitted on that basis.

There's a huge gap between "some kind of mental illness", and something like schizophrenia. Take Jared Laufner(sp?). I haven't given much attention to the case, but from what I've heard, death penalty should have been off the table at least. There's a wide range of things that can be done for various crimes, and if we as a country are gonna have any pretense of "justice", we need to do what's right. What's right doesn't always equal what feels good. ISIS does what feels good, and we should be better than them.

 

[Chaotic0ne]

I'm just gonna leave these here

In prison, I'm sure they'll help Jared invent a new sandwich - Salami & meatballs between 2 white buns with a wad of mayo!!!! :awe:

 

[Hugo Drax]

After the civil lawsuits he will be penniless. He will be an unemployable pariah when he is released from prison (if he survives the experience). He most likely will subsist on welfare for the rest of his miserable life.

Shockingly, the most punishment he can receive is a paltry 12 years in a federal pen. That seems like a slap on the wrist given the enormity of his crime.

Oddly enough, for the whole of human history prior to the 20th century, sex with minors was not considered immoral or criminal. It is only in the modern era that we as humans have become disgusted and morally outraged by it.

Sucks for you.

 

[brianmanahan]

How about children who get off because of their age?

Seems to me, by your logic, if they do the crime, they should also do the time?

yeah, i don't think the getting out at the age of 18 or 21 is right - the sentence should carry forward into adulthood

 

[mrjminer]

Really interesting interview with the woman who first told the FBI about Jared - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jared-fogle-fbi-informant-gives-816731

Apparently the investigation took place over several years, and she repeatedly wore a wire while talking to Jared. The details of what he said are even creepier than we had known previously. Apparently when her kids were 7 and 11, he asked to put cameras in their rooms and let her choose which one he would watch. http://www.thewrap.com/fbis-jared-f...ed-after-helping-take-the-monster-down-video/

Her biggest question was why it was taking so long, I have the same question. An investigation starting 10 years ago? What a fucking joke. The FBI should be facing intense scrutiny for this ridiculousness. How many kids did this guy bang and / or film while they were "investigating?" How many of his films made it into the hands of other people, who were then inspired to bang and / or film minors, and so on. A lot of this sounds like it could have been prevented, or mitigated in some way. Shit, they catch "average Joe" pedophiles with minimal time, but it takes 10 years to catch a single guy that is confiding to multiple people on wiretaps?

The real investigation needs to be who at the FBI had this "investigation" dragged out so long.

Yes, likely literally.

I've read that many pedophiles are intensely ashamed of their urges, but, without intervention, feel powerless to stop. This is sad on every level.

No. I hope you (and others) are just rhetorically registering your anger and disguts, because this is an ISIS level response. An eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind.

I concur, except for the sadness for pedophiles you feel. Everyone has a choice in everything they do. Even people that are batshit crazy have an option to not listen to the "voices" or whatever nonsense they come up with. Pedophilia is not a disease, it is a choice.

This wasn't like an accidental "oh shit, she said she was 18 and looks 18, and so I didn't know" type of thing. He preyed on kids for years through one form or another. His efforts were obviously well-calculated if he went so far as to set up an organization as a guise for preying on kids. He deserves to be in jail for a long fucking time, without sympathy from anyone.

 

[Exophase]

I concur, except for the sadness for pedophiles you feel. Everyone has a choice in everything they do. Even people that are batshit crazy have an option to not listen to the "voices" or whatever nonsense they come up with. Pedophilia is not a disease, it is a choice.

Pedophilia describes a sexual attraction (to prepubescent children), not a behavior. Pedophile does not mean someone who sexually abuses children, although a lot of people seem to think it does. Attraction is generally not considered to be voluntary or deliberate.

I doubt there will ever be very good statistics on this due to the sensitive nature of reporting them but I suspect that a large percentage of pedophiles have enough conscience and social consciousness to not do anything to children despite being attracted to them.

 

[mrjminer]

Pedophilia describes a sexual attraction (to prepubescent children), not a behavior. Pedophile does not mean someone who sexually abuses children, although a lot of people seem to think it does. Attraction is generally not considered to be voluntary or deliberate.

I doubt there will ever be very good statistics on this due to the sensitive nature of reporting them but I suspect that a large percentage of pedophiles have enough conscience and social consciousness to not do anything to children despite being attracted to them.

I should have clarified. Acting on your thoughts is obviously the problem, not having the thoughts. People can't control things that pop into their head. They can control what they do about it. I'm sure there are millions of people a day who think about punching someone in the face for one reason or another, but actually doing it is a different story.

 

[Mai72]

I will be surprised if Jared doesn't get knifed in prison. He's going to be a marked man in prison. Prison guards can't watch him 24/7 and even if he's in the federal prn there are going to be inmates who are going to want to get at him.

 

[disappoint]

Anyone else hear about the raid on Gene Simmon's (from KISS) house for child porn?

 

[mrjminer]

Anyone else hear about the raid on Gene Simmon's (from KISS) house for child porn?

I just read an article on it since you mentioned it. Hadn't heard it before. Apparently, the Simmons family aren't suspects; they are looking for information about people that had been at their house during the timeframe.