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How Will Our Politics Change In the Next 20-30 Years?

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soulcougher73 said:
Someone's not been paying attention to politics in the last 4 years.
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Or even in the last eight months. The president was caught red handed using his powers of office to extort foreign governments to provide illegal election assistance and one of our two parties said they didn’t care.

30 years ago the president would have been removed for that extreme level of misconduct, I’m very confident of that.
 
Democracy is only a thing because "the people" have been able to demand it through union and threat of violence, rioting, uprising.
I am afraid that modern technology i able to knock such a concept down before it takes actual root today. See China, see Russia, see NK etc.
I am afraid that any sovereign democratic nation that looses its governing apparatus to autocracy anno 2020 wont be able to get it back. Ever. Game Over.
 
fskimospy said:
Our politics are radically different than they were in 1990, why do you think that change has stopped?
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From where I sit they're almost exactly the same. It's still the same two teams making the same noises. Not nearly as civil, but that's because hiding behind a keyboard makes everyone a badass.
 
Greenman said:
From where I sit they're almost exactly the same. It's still the same two teams making the same noises. Not nearly as civil, but that's because hiding behind a keyboard makes everyone a badass.
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I think the civility is about the same but the politics themselves are not remotely so. If Nixon did the same thing he resigned over today not only would the Republicans not think he deserved impeachment, it wouldn’t even crack the top ten for impeachable offenses Trump has committed.

This is what I’m afraid of, that conservatives think what they are doing is normal.
 
fskimospy said:
I think the civility is about the same but the politics themselves are not remotely so. If Nixon did the same thing he resigned over today not only would the Republicans not think he deserved impeachment, it wouldn’t even crack the top ten for impeachable offenses Trump has committed.

This is what I’m afraid of, that conservatives think what they are doing is normal.
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It seems to me that Republican supporters largely think their opponents are engaged in underhanded deeds, so why can't they. This feeling is stoked hard by right wing media sites.

I mean, how else could they lose their grip on American society, lose the popular vote, lose on social issues, it's gotta be some unfair advantage for their opponents, /s
 
fskimospy said:
I think the civility is about the same but the politics themselves are not remotely so. If Nixon did the same thing he resigned over today not only would the Republicans not think he deserved impeachment, it wouldn’t even crack the top ten for impeachable offenses Trump has committed.

This is what I’m afraid of, that conservatives think what they are doing is normal.
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Right-wing authoritarians make up about 35-40% of the population everywhere. Here in the United States, they have control of the Republican Party.

Whatever they say is normal, is normal, by the fact that they say so.
 
My opinion? Who the hell knows. Both parties are in such disarray I dont see that being fixed any time soon. On one had the Republicans are splintered as ever before, on the other hand Joe Biden is the best Democrats can offer for POTUS?

LOL
 
blackangst1 said:
My opinion? Who the hell knows. Both parties are in such disarray I dont see that being fixed any time soon. On one had the Republicans are splintered as ever before, on the other hand Joe Biden is the best Democrats can offer for POTUS?

LOL
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45% of the population is dead-set on re-electing an authoritarian imbecile. You're concerned about Democrats having to come to the aid of the country, yet again, and have conservatively chosen Biden, who is a centrist white man, to hopefully convince a few "reasonable" Obama-Trump voters to stop kicking the country in the dick with their votes.

It's always telling when Republicans get pissed at Democrats for not choosing a George Washington/Space Jesus hybrid, while they cheerfully nominate human trash and say it's the Democrats fault.
 
blackangst1 said:
My opinion? Who the hell knows. Both parties are in such disarray I dont see that being fixed any time soon. On one had the Republicans are splintered as ever before, on the other hand Joe Biden is the best Democrats can offer for POTUS?

LOL
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I think it's pretty clear the R's are set on not caring about the "best" candidate, they elected Trump and are set on doing so again.. The D's are offering Biden because he won by a huge margin in the primary out of a pretty big pool of candidates.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I think it's pretty clear the R's are set on not caring about the "best" candidate, they elected Trump and are set on doing so again.. The D's are offering Biden because he won by a huge margin in the primary out of a pretty big pool of candidates.
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Which shows how broken both parties are.
 
blackangst1 said:
Which shows how broken both parties are.
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Yea, I don't agree. Both sides is the cry of people who want to pretend to participate. Been there, done that.

What's broken is America. The weathiest Americans and corporations have America in a death grip. R's are all in and enjoy a rather easy voting group to cater to. D's have an extremely diverse makeup in comparison and many of them want to change things to help all Americans.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Yea, I don't agree. Both sides is the cry of people who want to pretend to participate. Been there, done that.

What's broken is America. The weathiest Americans and corporations have America in a death grip. R's are all in and enjoy a rather easy voting group to cater to. D's have an extremely diverse makeup in comparison and many of them want to change things to help all Americans.
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So you honestly believe its the Repoblicans fault?
 
blackangst1 said:
So you honestly believe its the Repoblicans fault?
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No, not sure how you got that specifically. It's the voters fault and the politicians fault. Voters for remaining ignorant and easily manipulated, and politicians for taking advantage of it. My anecdote is all conservatives I know are single issue voters. Maybe they don't about the 2A, but they care about being probirth or vice versa.

It took us 50 years to get to this point, but what we have is corporations and wealthy basically writing legislation for themselves. Are the R's complicit in this? You bet. Are the D's? Much less so, because as I said....and much more diverse makeup.

R's policy's are not popular with the general public. But as I said, enjoy an easy voting group to pander to. Trump had to expand that to white nationalists and people afraid of losing their place in line to win, fueled by social media propaganda and blatant lies.

D's policy's are more so. While Biden is a centrist, he knows what the D's in Congress are migrating towards.

If you don't listen to Noam Chomsky, I suggest you give him a listen. He certainly struck a chord with me. He has a video called Requiem for the American Dream that is dead on.
 
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fskimospy said:
Well they did decide to place a corrupt, racist, lifelong criminal in the most powerful position on earth and when it turned out he was using his powers of office to extort foreign leaders into offering him illegal election assistance did nothing.

So...there’s that.
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On earth? lol
 
blackangst1 said:
On earth? lol
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what else would you call leading the largest economy and the largest military in the world?

edit: yes our military is not numerically the largest, but we have what..9 super-carriers, our LHC's are the size of most other country's carriers, nuclear missiles for days, bases all over the world, and a defense budget that's larger than the next several nations combined.
 
fskimospy said:
Well they did decide to place a corrupt, racist, lifelong criminal in the most powerful position on earth and when it turned out he was using his powers of office to extort foreign leaders into offering him illegal election assistance did nothing.

So...there’s that.
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what they did was worse than doing nothing, they actively enabled and protected trumps action.
 
nOOky said:
I see no reason the U.S. will do anything other than flip flop between parties over time as we have done in the past. If you know anything about our political history, any yuge changes will only come glacially as long as we have the current two party system. Unless Citizen's United is gone and the average citizen becomes more engaged and actually uses the power of their vote things won't really change very much. It's likely we won't elect someone as horrible as DJT again, but never underestimate the stupidity of large groups of people being gaslit I guess.

The bottom line is that the people don't have the will anymore, even though they have the power, so the people actually in control will continue to screw the poors and throw them just enough scraps to make them happy, as they gradually shift more and more of the wealth to themselves.
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That's why Republicans are doing their best to suppress the vote. Because of the changing demographics their positions are not sustainable.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I'm definitely curious what other position is considered more powerful.
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I think he probably misread my post and thought I said Trump was the most corrupt person on earth and intended on using that to avoid addressing Republicans’ complicity in enabling Trump’s corruption.
 
blackangst1 said:
So you honestly believe its the Repoblicans fault?
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I'll ask the question from a different POV. Do you really think this is a #bothsides problem? I stick to my earlier quote to show who should shoulder the lion's share of fault...
This country is at war with a virus. That virus is as non-political as you can get yet Republicans can't get out their own way so we can fight this thing united. Mixed messages, mask wearing stigma, aversion to science is all on the side of the GOP. What happens with the next pandemic or there is a conventional war, Republicans as constructed are incapable of bringing the country together for it's defense.
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COVID-19 has exposed several weaknesses of this country. Malfeasance of the Republican Party is one of them
 
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