How will a GeForce 4 Ti-4600 work with.....

[richleader]

Gotta hand it to Rollo. He's completely right. I think the Athlon XP 1.47 is the sweet spot now, though, it's usually only $1 more than the 1.4 in the OEM market. I think the 4400 should be the highest model he bothers with, though.

 

[Amused]

<< I've heard the GeForce Ti4600s aren't going to work with Intel motherboards. >>



Yeah, talk about thread crapping.

Kid? I'm 34 and my first PC was, basically, the first PC (IBM 5150) my father bought our family back in 1981.

I love how you assume such nonsense because my brother (40 years old with 4 kids) gave me a nice gift.

Facts are facts. His Celeron is going to be the limiting factor in any VC higher than a GF2 ultra or GF3. Buying faster cards will be a game of diminished returns. Yes, it will do better, but not by as much. Of course, simplistic is your style, so I guess diminished returns is a concept you can't grasp. At this point a CPU/Mobo upgrade with a mid level video card upgrade would yield higher returns than simply buying a top of the line video card and keeping his current CPU/mobo.

I chose Intel becuase HE chose Intel. I also chose it because the 1.6A P4 IS the price/performance leader at this time, as most folks are overclocking it to 2.0 - 2.3 and some have even reached 2.5. It's the new Celeron 300A.

 

[GeForceG]

Seems like we got a flame war in here

I am not planning on upgrading my system in the near future. I just want this NVidia GeForce 4 Ti-4600.
All I want to know is if it will work, as of now I assume that it will.

And ideas on my 3DMark2001 score?

I appreciate your guys' help. Thanks for your time, any more opinions/comments are welcome. Please don't tell me to upgrade. Busy with school, life, girlfriend and have NO time to mess with a new system at the moment.

 

[tapir]

Have fun.. the GF4 4600 is a beast of a card. Come back here with some 3dMARK2001 scores when you're done, I'm curious as to whether that CPU really is a bottleneck (I doubt it.. i have an aXP 1700+ but still anything above 1.3GHz is great)

 

[GeForceG]

Will do. Once I get it going. Not until April-May though

 

[nRollo]

"Kid? I'm 34 and my first PC was, basically, the first PC (IBM 5150)"
We've established that neither of us are "newbies"

"Facts are facts. His Celeron is going to be the limiting factor in any VC higher than a GF2 ultra or GF3."
This isn't really saying anything at all, is it? Unless you know of a cpu that can supply more data than a GF3 can process, the same could be said of ANY cpu.

"Of course, simplistic is your style, so I guess diminished returns is a concept you can't grasp."
LOL- one of my bachelor's is a BS-Business, I think I understand "diminishing returns" pretty well. Speaking of "simplistic style", I've noticed you haven't posted any links to evidence your flawed reasoning has any basis in fact?

"At this point a CPU/Mobo upgrade with a mid level video card upgrade would yield higher returns than simply buying a top of the line video card and keeping his current CPU/mobo."
While that is true, depending on the mid level video card, he didn't ask about this. He just wanted to buy a VGA. I only tossed out the Athlon 1.4 option because he could do it basically for FREE.

Instead of sidestepping, I'd like you to post links that verify the statements you made, or retract them:

"Yep, your mobo/CPU/FSB is your bottleneck. I doubt you'd see much of a difference between a 4600 or a 4200. Hell, I bet a GF3 or 2 will give you peak performance in that machine." (ESPECIALLY the GF2 part)

"You've got far too many bottlenecks to be spending that much on a video card."

"He'll still be limited by 133 SDR FSB." So you can post something that shows a 1.6A P4 is faster than a 1.4GHZ Athlon/PC133?

"If he's going to upgrade, why not get currect technology for a mere 50-100 more, rather than simply moving sideways?"
a. The board I pointed out was $192 shipped, yours was $341 not shipped. Almost twice as much. b. I assume you can post some links that show a 1.3Ghz Celeron to a 1.4GHz Athlon is a "sideways" move?

 

[Amused]

No, I'll tell you what, Rollo. Since it's so freakin' important to you, YOU post links showing a better return for simply upgrading the card, than upgrading the mobo and CPU.

I'm not retracting sh!t, since I've WITNESSED these results for myself as I have a PIII 1GHz machine, and a P4 2.0A and have had my GF2 and GF3 in both, and benchmarked them.

My frame rate jump from going from the PIII to P4 was MUCH greater than going from a GF2 to a GF3 in my 1GHz machine. In fact, the speed increase in my 1GHz machine was negligable when I swapped video cards, but was gigantic when I went to a P4.

 

[nRollo]

"Since it's so freakin' important to you, YOU post links showing a better return for simply upgrading the card, than upgrading the mobo and CPU."

No problem Big Chief.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1435&p=10
Here's a GF2 Ultra/Athlon 1Ghz/PC133 running Q3 10X7X32 at 128fps. The 32MB MX is running it at 55. That is more than TWICE as fast.
He's not going to get that much of a boost bumping his cpu up.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1544&p=10
Here's a P4 2GHz running Q3A on a variety of boards, but none of them at more than twice as fast as our GF2 Ultra/Athlon 1GHz.
(BTW- newer drivers account for some of this speed too- the Athlon 1GHz results would also be higher these days)


Again, "newbie" Rollo proves point, Amused One refuses to.

 

[GeForceG]

Hey now guys, stop fighting.

By the way, I am planning of upgrading next year. Maybe late summer, early fall.
It's going to be an AMD system for sure.

With my current system, can you guess what my 3DMark2001 score will look like? Instead of fighting?