How will a GeForce 4 Ti-4600 work with.....

[GeForceG]

Hello.
Some of you may remember my questions about the NVidia GeForce 3 Ti-500 and ATI Radeon 8500.
I was asking which one to get.

Well, since I am whilling to spend $400, and the NVidia GeForce 4 Ti-4600 is going cost that much, I need to know if it will work with my system.
Its going to be a VisionTek card.

My system:

Antec 300Watt PSU

IWILL BD100Plus Intel 440BX Chipest Slot 1 AGPX2 Motherboard

Aopen socket 370 convertor.

Intel Celeron II 128Kb cache 1000Mhz @ 1330Mhz 1.9V @133Mhz FBS

512MB SDRAM (PC-133) 2-DIMM CAS 2-3-3

Asus 7100Pro NVidia GeForce 2 MX-400 32MB SDR (200/200) overclocked @ (275/250) AGPX2

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy MP3 PCI

Windows XP Professional and Windows ME Edition


Thanks for you help. I am planning on buying it on my birthday, April 30th. May be a little later..

 

[GeForceG]

Please help

 

[Hender]

If you've got an AGP slot, it'll work, don't worry about that.

 

[nRollo]

I've heard the GeForce Ti4600s aren't going to work with Intel motherboards.

 

[GeForceG]

They will not work with the Intel boards? Thats bull....Or I hope it is!
Someone tell me it's not true!

 

[nRollo]

You hadn't heard? This generation is optimized for AMD, the next for Intel. Your card will be out in the fall.

 

[Pocatello]

Rollo, you're so wrong . I know for a fact that the GF4 is especially made for intel chipsets not some crap from VIA.

 

[DanFungus]

I think Rollo's having a bad day....he's been saying strange things all day...

 

[BD231]

Get a Ti4200 and upgrade your mobo cpu and ram man, God Awful IMO.

 

[cmdrdredd]

it will work...no worries ok?

 

[nRollo]

I was just kidding GForce. People with Intel stuff don't need to ask about compatibility, and no one can really tell you if it is anyway because no one has the card yet.

 

[GeForceG]

<< I was just kidding GForce. People with Intel stuff don't need to ask about compatibility, and no one can really tell you if it is anyway because no one has the card yet. >>



I was like "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" When I read your previous post man! LOL
And then I read everyones comments and I was like "SIGH!"
You scared the crap out of me there for a minute!

Thanks guys!
I'll be heading in there with my Visa on April 30th and get that baby.

 

[vibhun]

<< Hello.
with yourconfig CELORON 1 GIG
IT WONT MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE WHEATHER YOU CHOOSE TI-4600/4200/MX

 

[nRollo]

Vibhun:
"with yourconfig CELORON 1 GIG IT WONT MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE WHEATHER YOU CHOOSE TI-4600/4200/MX "

You don't know what you're talking about. He has a Celeron running at 1300MHz. While not the most powerful cpu on the planet, certainly more than fast enough not to be totally cpu limited.
You're just another guy who bought a fast motherboard and wants to put this guy down because he didn't buy the same thing you did.

 

[Amused]

Yep, your mobo/CPU/FSB is your bottleneck. I doubt you'd see much of a difference between a 4600 or a 4200. Hell, I bet a GF3 or 2 will give you peak performance in that machine.

Plus, your mobo is AGP 1x. You've got far too many bottlenecks to be spending that much on a video card. Take your $400 and buy a new mobo, proc and memory.

Memory - PC (DDR)
CRUCIAL MICRON 256MB 32x64 PC 2100 DDR RAM - OEM 184-Pin, CL=2.5-Unbuffered 2.5V,6-Layers CT3264Z265.16T. Requires DDR supported Motherboard - Lifetime Warranty. OEM N82E16820145001 $76.00

Motherboards
Asus P4B266-C Intel 845D chipset ATX Motherboard-OEM Supports Socket 478 for FC-PGA2 Pentium® 4 (Willamette/Northwood) 1.4GHz to 2.4GHz+. FSB: 400 MHz. Memory: 2 x DDR DIMM Sockets, Max. 2GB unbuffered PC2100/PC1600 ECC/non-ECC DDR SDRAM Memory. 6 PCI slots, 1 x AGP. Up to 4 USB. NO AUDIO. NO LAN. N82E16813131301 $117.00

Processors - Intel Pentium 4
Intel Pentium 4 1.6A GHz 512K Socket 478 Processor 400MHz Processor Bus- RETAIL version. With / Heatsin & Fan. N82E16819116136 $148.00


Subtotal » $341.00

See? And you can overclock that 1.6 to 2.0 at least. Many get much higher.

 

[oldfart]

Your C1.33 GHz is not all that bad. You will be somewhat CPU limited, but it should still fly.

BTW BX chipset is AGP 2X, not 1X.

 

[Amused]

<< Your C1.33 GHz is not all that bad. You will be somewhat CPU limited, but it should still fly.

BTW BX chipset is AGP 2X, not 1X. >>



Oh yeah, it's version 1.0, 2X.

Sorry.

 

[nRollo]

Don't listen to these guys GeForceG.
You're computer will be a LOT faster with the GF4 Ti you want to buy. There's some truth to it probably won't be much faster than it would be with a GF3, but both are still way above what you have now.

I do agree with these guys to some extent, a GF4 Ti4600 is probably overkill for your board.

You've got 512MB of PC133. Why don't you sell 128 of it with your board for $150 or so, go to Tufshop.com and buy a TBird 1.4GHz/Abit KT7A for $192 shipped? You'll probably still be able to get your Ti 4600 for the $350 you'd have left, Ti4200 worst case scenario.

Then you'd be able to ask Amused One why he wasted all that money on a 2Ghz P4 when your $190 board runs games as fast.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1543&p=10

 

[Amused]

<< Don't listen to these guys GeForceG.
You're computer will be a LOT faster with the GF4 Ti you want to buy. There's some truth to it probably won't be much faster than it would be with a GF3, but both are still way above what you have now.

I do agree with these guys to some extent, a GF4 Ti4600 is probably overkill for your board.

You've got 512MB of PC133. Why don't you sell 128 of it with your board for $150 or so, go to Tufshop.com and buy a TBird 1.4GHz/Abit KT7A for $192 shipped? You'll probably still be able to get your Ti 4600 for the $350 you'd have left, Ti4200 worst case scenario.

Then you'd be able to ask Amused One why he wasted all that money on a 2Ghz P4 when your $190 board runs games as fast.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1543&p=10 >>



1. My machine was free. (A gift from my brother... he had me thinking I was building a gaming machine for his kids.)

2. He'll still be limited by 133 SDR FSB. All those examples you pointed out in Anand's testing were using DDR SDRAM. Which makes your point, well, pointless. His SDR RAM will be his bottleneck.

3. If he's going to upgrade, why not get currect technology for a mere 50-100 more, rather than simply moving sideways?

4. If he sells his mobo/CPU/and memory for $200+, my solution costs him only $140 or less. Then he can save an extra month, buy that Ti4600 O/C his 1.6A to 2.0 or higher and scream MUCH faster than your solution.

5. I challenge you to find someone with a 1.4GHz Athlon and KT7A who beats, or even comes close to my 3DMark score.

 

[nRollo]

Amused one:
I wouldn't call a TBird 1.4GHz a sideways move from a 1.3GHz Celeron. It's generally acknowledged it takes a 2Ghz P4 to equal/beat a 1.4Ghz Athlon, which can't be said about the Celeron.


"He'll still be limited by 133 SDR FSB. All those examples you pointed out in Anand's testing were using DDR SDRAM. Which makes your point, well, pointless. His SDR RAM will be his bottleneck."
http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q3/010808/via_kt266-27.html
Hmm, the DDR is a whole 10% faster!

"If he sells his mobo/CPU/and memory for $200+, my solution costs him only $140 or less. Then he can save an extra month, buy that Ti4600 O/C his 1.6A to 2.0 or higher and scream MUCH faster than your solution."
He didn't say he wanted to save a month, if he's goinbg to spend money, why not get an Athlon XP and have the FASTEST gaming cpu?

"I challenge you to find someone with a 1.4GHz Athlon and KT7A who beats, or even comes close to my 3DMark score."
I'm not talking about meaningless 3dmark scores, I'm talking about actual gaming performance.

 

[JackBurton]

Gaming Benchmark
Encoding Benchmark
Other Benches
Now look waaaaaaaaaay down the line to find the Athlon 1.4GHz chip. But I guess those are meanless scores too.


<< Then you'd be able to ask Amused One why he wasted all that money on a 2Ghz P4 when your $190 board runs games as fast. >>


Please refer to the links above to find the bs in your statement.

 

[Amused]

Whatever Rollo.

I'm not going to get into a flame war with a freakin' newbie over AMD vs Intel. It's been overdone, fanboy.

 

[BFG10K]

I wouldn't call a TBird 1.4GHz a sideways move from a 1.3GHz Celeron.

Neither would I. The 1.4 GHz TBird will absolutely cane that 1.3 GHz Celeron. It'll be like a total system upgrade.

It's generally acknowledged it takes a 2Ghz P4 to equal/beat a 1.4Ghz Athlon, which can't be said about the Celeron.

No it isn't. A 1.7 GHz - 1.8 GHz Willamette is about the same speed as a 1.4 GHz TBird. A 2.0A GHz Northwood will easily beat the 1.4 GHz TBird across the board.

 

[nRollo]

"I'm not going to get into a flame war with a freakin' newbie over AMD vs Intel. It's been overdone, fanboy."
My first gaming computer was an Apple2+ back in the 1980s. I have had every generation of PC since. The point is that you are wrong. I'd guess you're a kid, as your brother bought your computer for you. Here's how I know you're wrong:
"Hell, I bet a GF3 or 2 will give you peak performance in that machine."
So you think a GF2 maxes out a Cel 1330? Last fall I had an Athlon 1Ghz/256MB PC100/Herc GF2 Pro. When I bought my Vision Tek GF3, I noticed a BIG jump in performance. When I bought an Anthlon XP 1600+/256 DDR board, I did not notice a big jump in performance. Wouldn't have happened if I was as cpu limited as you say.

Now look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1442&p=5
Scroll forward through those benchmarks and notice how a GF3 performs a lot better than a GF2 at the 10X7 and 16X12 benchmarks on a 1GHz/PC133 computer. If the GF2 was more vga than his system could feed, the scores would be the same. There's no reason to think a GF4 would not give better performance than a GF3 at this point either.

Since you didn't even buy your own computer, maybe you should be less anxious to spend other people's money. Since you apparently have some things to learn about what it means to be cpu and vga limited, maybe you should post less advice.

 

[nRollo]

Jack Burton:
"Now look waaaaaaaaaay down the line to find the Athlon 1.4GHz chip. But I guess those are meanless scores too. "
Not meaningless, but only representative of Q3. There are other games:

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1543&p=10
RTCW P4 2GHz 50.4fps Athlon 1.4GHz 50.6fps

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1543&p=11
Max Payne P4 2Ghz 100.25 Athlon 1.4Ghz 106.71

Serious Sam P4 2Ghz 96.7 Athlon 1.4 116.2fps

I think for 3d gaming, and the HUGE difference in price, the original poster can be pretty happy with an Athlon 1.4 setup. Not everyone wants to overclock their cpu, and at stock speeds the Athlons are clearly the better value.

Anyway, the point of this all wasn't to argue AMD vs Intel. I think it's unfortunate that some of you feel the need to crap on this guys thread because he wants to buy a new video card. He might not have family that wants to buy him a high end mainboard, as he's using a GF2 MX, I doubt he's rolling in his own money. I just tried to give him a way to upgrade his motherboard a LOT for almost nothing, to which you all reply "Nuh uh- he's fuxored if he doesn't buy what I did, or something like it".
Sad.