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How well do you think would Bruce Lee perform in modern MMA?

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Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Originally posted by: Spineshank
MMA does not = real martial arts. Any MMA fighter would probably get his ass handed to him by Bruce Lee.

This...

MMA does not have the worlds best fighters... most of the best martial artists consider fighting for money completely scandalous.

I know a guy who studied real far eastern martial arts in the Phillipines for 20+ years and is now an instructor in the US... does all the spiritual stuff, etc.

The dude is insanely fast and powerful... i saw him chop thick branches off his tree with his bare hand.

He stepped in the ring with those guys and actually tried to hurt them... they'd leave in a body bag. Every punch or kick he threw would literally break bones.

This is definitely another angle to think about. A lot of very talented athletes would probably also be amazingly good at other sports, but because of their career decisions and interests, it can never be known what the result might be.

Michael Jordan is an interesting example. He was arguably the greatest basketball player ever in his prime (definitely top 5 by any rational look at things), but when he went to play baseball, he was only average as a pro (granted, there are only a few thousand players of that caliber playing in the nation at any given time). It might be that if he had never focused on basketball, but had focused very hard on baseball, that he might have been an outstanding player, and in his prime might have been a true champion in that sport. Or maybe he wouldn't.

This same 'what-if' scenario can play out ceaselessly. I have an uncle who is a very quiet man, an old country boy from North Carolina, who is (or was, haven't seen him in about 10 years) insanely strong. He is very withdrawn, and his very rare smiles look eerily like the Terminator's attempt in T2, but he could move two full-size picnic tables (~200lbs each?) with all the ease of a kid holding a couple of twigs. He got an award from the city after Hurricane Hugo for working nonstop for almost a week straight clearing debris and helping restore services. At around 6'8" and what I would estimate to be nearly 300lbs of sinewy muscle, you have to wonder what he might have been like if he had focused on fighting, or football, or baseball. But no, he's happy (if you can call his seemingly emotionless existence that) just working for the city, and hunting and fishing every spare moment.

One thing for sure. I've had a voracious appetite for studying and practicing fighting styles over the years, and after all of it, have never seen anything like what Lee could do. Again, not the films particularly, but the videos of his demonstrations, combined with testimony of his gifts.
 
I don't get why people use MMA as the end all barometer of who can fight or not. This era of the Octagon is nonsense, people only consider it real because it's "real" compared to shit like WWF wrestling. In a fight, there are no odd shaped arenas, no referees, no rules, you can bite, scratch, pull, punch, kick, use weapons and surroundings. Have any of you read Bruce Lee's books? He states exactly that, there are no rules, no styles, no forms - either defeat your opponent or suffer the consequences. I'd pick Bruce in an alley way against any UFC fighter.

Also, the fact that a lot of UFC fighters are primarily using BJJ, and wrestling indicates that they are limiting themselves to styles. Motherfucker tries to put me in a submission, I will bite their arm.
 
Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
At the risk of being labeled a blasphemer: Does anyone actually know if Bruce Lee could fight in real life? Are there first hand accounts of fights he was in, or was all his skill just show and myth?

According to wiki he knocked out Gary Elms in 3 rounds in 1958. He knocked out 3 boxers in the first round before he made it to the final to face Elms. Considering that boxing is foreign to him, I would say he can fight. He detested the showy kung fu the other people were doing.

Jeet Kune Do is definitely combat oriented, stressing efficiency and maximum delivery of power.

From the wiki it reads like he was the pioneer in mma.

A lot of the fight scenes in the Big Boss (Chinese Connection, iirc) were real. On-set fighters would actually challenge him and the crew would simply roll the cameras. I'm pretty sure the fight at the ice factory is one such real fight.

This happened all the time. I thought this was common knowledge that Bruce Lee was, indeed, the real deal.

Check out some footage of his matches at the various Kung Fu demonstrations he attended.
I don't doubt he could kick anyone's ass in any type of MMA or whatever this thread is going on about.

I'm sorry. I need proof this is the case. I've watched all of these movies and not one of the fights look real. They all look like chop-saki choreographed fights. That or fighting has changed so much in the last few decades that we can now hurt people with much more ease (or bruce simply could not generate any power nor could his opponents).

Real fights do not look like movies. This is my problem with bruce lee, his legacy. He left behind a tool used by charlatans to make people believe anything. He may of been a great martial artist, but his legacy is still lazy, stupid white people who think they are deadly, perpetrating myths like it is some kind of religion.

Bruce lee was a impressive showmen who made a few movies, had a martial arts background and took a bunch of ideas from other martial artists and wrote them down. Later his wife took those quotes, renamed them to be bruces own and published them.

Would Bruce ever fought MMA? I doubt it, losing would of cost him everything, and everybody loses eventually in MMA. Show me real footage of him fighting a knock down drag out fight and maybe I'll change my mind. But to date I have seen no convincing footage that he can fight any better then jackie chan.

good God what are you? 10?

If you need proof, watch any documentary on Lee. plenty exist. read an article from those that know wtf they're talking about. It's simply a FACT that his life was constantly being challenged while on set.

I think the issue is that many of you here have no concept of what a martial arts flick was back in those days. Remember that Lee is considered the father of martial arts in the US--He broke a serious tradition by teaching Kung Fu outside of China; and many were unhappy about this.

i won't help you search for the evidence that is widely available to all. The fact that you attribute some 90% of his life story to made up BS from his widow speaks widely of your voluminous ignorance regarding martial arts.
 
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Originally posted by: Spineshank
MMA does not = real martial arts. Any MMA fighter would probably get his ass handed to him by Bruce Lee.

This...

MMA does not have the worlds best fighters... most of the best martial artists consider fighting for money completely scandalous.

I know a guy who studied real far eastern martial arts in the Phillipines for 20+ years and is now an instructor in the US... does all the spiritual stuff, etc.

The dude is insanely fast and powerful... i saw him chop thick branches off his tree with his bare hand.

He stepped in the ring with those guys and actually tried to hurt them... they'd leave in a body bag. Every punch or kick he threw would literally break bones.

solid point. The real masters are aesthetes living in the mountains away from everyone else. Competition is far from their goal, as martial arts is a way of life discipline, not "kicking ass."

Honestly, those of you that think Lee was simply some movie star obviously haven't seen footage of him demonstrating the 1" punch. Weight class is no factor when he unleashes one of those. No MMA guy would have the discipline, understanding, or even desire to learn a technique like that.
 
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
At the risk of being labeled a blasphemer: Does anyone actually know if Bruce Lee could fight in real life? Are there first hand accounts of fights he was in, or was all his skill just show and myth?

According to wiki he knocked out Gary Elms in 3 rounds in 1958. He knocked out 3 boxers in the first round before he made it to the final to face Elms. Considering that boxing is foreign to him, I would say he can fight. He detested the showy kung fu the other people were doing.

Jeet Kune Do is definitely combat oriented, stressing efficiency and maximum delivery of power.

From the wiki it reads like he was the pioneer in mma.

A lot of the fight scenes in the Big Boss (Chinese Connection, iirc) were real. On-set fighters would actually challenge him and the crew would simply roll the cameras. I'm pretty sure the fight at the ice factory is one such real fight.

This happened all the time. I thought this was common knowledge that Bruce Lee was, indeed, the real deal.

Check out some footage of his matches at the various Kung Fu demonstrations he attended.
I don't doubt he could kick anyone's ass in any type of MMA or whatever this thread is going on about.

I'm sorry. I need proof this is the case. I've watched all of these movies and not one of the fights look real. They all look like chop-saki choreographed fights. That or fighting has changed so much in the last few decades that we can now hurt people with much more ease (or bruce simply could not generate any power nor could his opponents).

Real fights do not look like movies. This is my problem with bruce lee, his legacy. He left behind a tool used by charlatans to make people believe anything. He may of been a great martial artist, but his legacy is still lazy, stupid white people who think they are deadly, perpetrating myths like it is some kind of religion.

Bruce lee was a impressive showmen who made a few movies, had a martial arts background and took a bunch of ideas from other martial artists and wrote them down. Later his wife took those quotes, renamed them to be bruces own and published them.

Would Bruce ever fought MMA? I doubt it, losing would of cost him everything, and everybody loses eventually in MMA. Show me real footage of him fighting a knock down drag out fight and maybe I'll change my mind. But to date I have seen no convincing footage that he can fight any better then jackie chan.

good God what are you? 10?

If you need proof, watch any documentary on Lee. plenty exist. read an article from those that know wtf they're talking about. It's simply a FACT that his life was constantly being challenged while on set.

I think the issue is that many of you here have no concept of what a martial arts flick was back in those days. Remember that Lee is considered the father of martial arts in the US--He broke a serious tradition by teaching Kung Fu outside of China; and many were unhappy about this.

i won't help you search for the evidence that is widely available to all. The fact that you attribute some 90% of his life story to made up BS from his widow speaks widely of your voluminous ignorance regarding martial arts.

lol he's basically saying bruce lee = jackie chan hahahha
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Spineshank
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Spineshank
MMA does not = real martial arts. Any MMA fighter would probably get his ass handed to him by Bruce Lee.

Ummm, what do you think martial arts is?

What do you mean what i think martial arts is?

MMA stands for mixed martial arts. How can mixed martial arts not be real martial arts? Are they not punching, kicking and grappling each other?

Martial arts isnt just about punching or any type of striking. There are forms of martial arts that do not have any striking.


And for what its worth ive studied Okinawan Kempo for 11 years.
 
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Originally posted by: Spineshank
MMA does not = real martial arts. Any MMA fighter would probably get his ass handed to him by Bruce Lee.

This...

MMA does not have the worlds best fighters... most of the best martial artists consider fighting for money completely scandalous.

I know a guy who studied real far eastern martial arts in the Phillipines for 20+ years and is now an instructor in the US... does all the spiritual stuff, etc.

The dude is insanely fast and powerful... i saw him chop thick branches off his tree with his bare hand.

He stepped in the ring with those guys and actually tried to hurt them... they'd leave in a body bag. Every punch or kick he threw would literally break bones.

My teachers, teacher is a 9th degree and hes fast as all hell. But what makes him and what made Bruce Lee so good was that they were so fluid in their motions, you couldnt see the strike coming. Most MMA fighters telegraph there strikes..kicks usually are very telegraphed.

MMA is a sport..it has rules..they are trained within these rules...theres barely any elements of martial arts in it. The only stuff you really see is jujitsu. Just because someone is punching and kicking and tackling doesnt mean you are a martial artist.

A good example was the last Fedor fight...a flying knee? Cmon....Fedor also telegraphs his kicks very bad.


And i love watching MMA..im not trying to knock it and im not gonna say i could kick any of their asses..however i would take any fellow black belt in their rules or no rules over any MMA fighter.
 
Originally posted by: Spineshank
Just because someone is punching and kicking and tackling doesnt mean you are a martial artist.

That's probably the stupidest thing that has been said in this thread.

If someone is skilled in hand to hand combat, they are a martial artist.
 
Originally posted by: Spineshank
And for what its worth ive studied Okinawan Kempo for 11 years.

I see the problem now. Your head is up your sensei's arse.

Is Krav Maga not a martial art because it's not eastern? Systema? Western boxing?
 
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Physical feats

Lee's phenomenal fitness meant he was capable of performing many exceptional physical feats.[52][53][54][55] The following list includes some of the physical feats that are documented and supported by reliable sources.

-Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second.[56]

-Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32fps to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up.[57][58][59]

-In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind.[60]

-Lee would hold an elevated v-sit position for 30 minutes or longer.[54]

-Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks.[48]

-Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger[55][61][48][55]

-Lee performed 50 reps of one-arm chin-ups.[62]

-Lee could break wooden boards 6 inches (15 cm) thick.[63]

-Lee could cause a 300-lb (136 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a side kick.[55]

-Lee performed a side kick while training with James Coburn and broke a 150-lb (68 kg) punching bag[54][64]

-In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso perfectly horizontal midair.[65]

yeah but can he throw a hadoken?
 
Most that don't understand martial arts don't understand Bruce Lee. Not only was his physical appearance an understatement for his true strength, but he also pushed the mechanics of fighting to a whole other level.

His 3" then 1" punch are things many hope to be able to accomplish one day and most will never be able to.

The whole MMA is just modern boxing. Those guys are tough, but they win because they can within the rules. Bruce Lee didn't believe in such things.

Problem is with the MMA dudes is when you say someone like Bruce Lee would win, they take it as you are saying someone like a Gracie is just a pussy. That's not the case...

 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
i only have one question...

is the video of Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchuks REAL?!!?!?!?!?!?!

0_0
^^^^^^^^

no one knows?

come on guys, i count on you for obscure knowledge such as this
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: meltdown75
i only have one question...

is the video of Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchuks REAL?!!?!?!?!?!?!

0_0
^^^^^^^^

no one knows?

come on guys, i count on you for obscure knowledge such as this

You were serious when you asked this????
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: meltdown75
i only have one question...

is the video of Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchuks REAL?!!?!?!?!?!?!

0_0
^^^^^^^^

no one knows?

come on guys, i count on you for obscure knowledge such as this

You were serious when you asked this????
why you gotta be that guy :/

ok so it's not real. sorry.

/wrists
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: meltdown75
i only have one question...

is the video of Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchuks REAL?!!?!?!?!?!?!

0_0
^^^^^^^^

no one knows?

come on guys, i count on you for obscure knowledge such as this

You were serious when you asked this????
why you gotta be that guy :/

ok so it's not real. sorry.

/wrists

It's a Nokia Commercial, a la Celine Dion Duet with The King.
 
well he did all those other amazing things like catching flies with chopsticks while whacking off with one hand and reciting the constitution in Swahili...

i guess i got caught up in teh Bruce 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Spineshank
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Originally posted by: Spineshank
MMA does not = real martial arts. Any MMA fighter would probably get his ass handed to him by Bruce Lee.

This...

MMA does not have the worlds best fighters... most of the best martial artists consider fighting for money completely scandalous.

I know a guy who studied real far eastern martial arts in the Phillipines for 20+ years and is now an instructor in the US... does all the spiritual stuff, etc.

The dude is insanely fast and powerful... i saw him chop thick branches off his tree with his bare hand.

He stepped in the ring with those guys and actually tried to hurt them... they'd leave in a body bag. Every punch or kick he threw would literally break bones.

My teachers, teacher is a 9th degree and hes fast as all hell. But what makes him and what made Bruce Lee so good was that they were so fluid in their motions, you couldnt see the strike coming. Most MMA fighters telegraph there strikes..kicks usually are very telegraphed.

MMA is a sport..it has rules..they are trained within these rules...theres barely any elements of martial arts in it. The only stuff you really see is jujitsu. Just because someone is punching and kicking and tackling doesnt mean you are a martial artist.

A good example was the last Fedor fight...a flying knee? Cmon....Fedor also telegraphs his kicks very bad.


And i love watching MMA..im not trying to knock it and im not gonna say i could kick any of their asses..however i would take any fellow black belt in their rules or no rules over any MMA fighter.

Are you retarded?
 
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