im fairly certain most every european (hell the rest of the world) speaks english as well as their native language - multilanguilism has not deterred any of them from unity in their own countries longer than the US has. Don't be so quick to blame others not adapting to your norms quickly enough, maybe the problem is our unwillingness to communicate with your neighbors
im fairly certain most every european (hell the rest of the world) speaks english as well as their native language - multilanguilism has not deterred any of them from unity in their own countries longer than the US has. Don't be so quick to blame others not adapting to your norms quickly enough, maybe the problem is our unwillingness to communicate with your neighbors
Wow what a bunch of white supremacist bull. Our society in its current form will not last, its naive for us to think that we can go against history. But the way our society is designed we will not go through a revolution, but more an evolution. In order for a the breakdown the writer mentions to happen, a HUGE wave of immigration would have to occur all at once. I'm talking about many millions coming in in one year suddenly tapping the social reservoirs at once.
Riiiiigght. Well, the answer seems quite simple. Firstly, we can enshrine English as the national language. Then we can get rid of all those pesky regional variations and slangs. Then, since multiculturalism and diversity are such bad ideas, we can rid the language of all references to them, and structure the langauge to reflect one true national culture. Pretty soon this will mould the population into one homogenous right thinking mass that can't even conceive of such deviant ideas. And you'll never have to be bothered by a spanish language option again.
We could call it English 2.0, or Newspeak, or something.
Come drive and take a visit to the old Peach State Georgia, specifically the City of Gainesville, it is already happening.
Not true. Read about the Melting Pot of New York. Most of them learned English and embraced it. They kept their traditions while also adopting the new traditions of their new homeland without trying to change it. They actually added to it instead of wanting to change it. That is the fundamental difference now.
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I totally agree with DigDug. There are many of us here (some may call us foreigners) b ut we pledge allegiance to this country. We are doing what the rest of the people here did 300 years ago. Why get out, we're here, we speak the language, we live the American Dream, we help the growth and we love the country. How are we different from the rest of the Americans?
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I can't say whether that email contains an actual speech by Richard Lamm but it seems consistant with other things he has stated. Unfortunately the link to the full piece on the Rocky Mountain News seems to be no longer valid but the excerpted portions look similar to parts of the email.
Richard Lamm On Harmful Immigration
Richard Lamm On Harmful Immigration
yo tambien.
i knew i hated california for a reason. Ill stay in Connecticut where its prolly the last place things like this will happen, thank you very much.
Wow... way to make a mindful and lucid counterpoint to the post. You bring an interesting and provocative point of view to the pool of minds here.
Do not use some shaky grounds of historical precedence to justify your xenophobic fear of other cultures. There have always been backlash against large immigrant groups (noted above). This sort of reaction has happened every time a large immigrant group arrived. Many other groups have maintained their culture and a limited amount of separation in the U.S. without armaggedon (Little Italy, China Town... this is not the first time this has happened). Because Hispanic immigration is so recent, their assimilation is limited, and first-generation immigrants may not have learned the language (same as first-generation Italians in the 19th century or any other group). Given time, the dual-fold assimliation process (immigrants absorb some of overall U.S. conglomerate culture, and U.S. culture as a whole absorbs some of the immigrants' cultural ideas) takes its course, and we are left with a different, but just as great, country. Worries about "them" taking "our" jobs will disappear just as soon as you start realizing that you cannot deny that "they" are actually now a part of "us." If you, as a person, are able to accept people of different appearances without prejudice, have faith that in time, and with work on everyone's part, so can everybody else.
Or, to leave with you a little comedy, in the words of Bullworth, hope "that everybody keeps #@$&ing everybody til we're all the same color."
Or, to leave with you a little comedy, in the words of Bullworth, hope "that everybody keeps #@$&ing everybody til we're all the same color."
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Good points but there is one major difference today from the examples of Little Italy or Chinatown. No italians or chinese came out of those ghettos (in the old sense of a ghetto) expecting society at large to cater to them in their language. In fact the reason they clustered in those ghettos was to survive while they learned the language and skills necessary to live in their adopted homeland.
:beer:
If you think about it, American/US culture (sic) is unlike ANY culture ANYWHERE else on the planet. Canada is close because of its proximity to the US, Australia is similar due to the similar situation (large available land mass, primarily European gene pool, etc).
Our culture evolved BECAUSE of the immigrants coming here and "going native". While they embrace the existing culture, they also add their way of thinking, bits of culture that are easily absorbed by unrelated peoples, etc. When a group decides to stay separate, they also exclude the rest of us from sharing in their culture. THIS is what causes tension. THIS is what causes friction. THIS is what causes rifts within the nation.
As long as the minority and the majority insist on viewing things from a separatist point of view, things will never become properly merged into the UNITED States of America.
Wow, you are the only person to say this (which is what i believe). The point of the article whether it be real or not, is not about race it is about culture. It's happening. The house i grew up in is in a predominantly white neighborhood, and most of the houses are over 60 years old, but still in good shape. 3 mexican families moved into the neighborhood and all of them repainted their houses in BRIGHT FVCKING COLORS. Pink, teal, terqouse, maroon(basically the same colors you'd see on buildings in the spanish parts of town). They don't want to become americans. They won't learn the language, they won't try to better themselves, but I'll be damned if the government doesn't hand them money hand over fist so they can survive on their below minimum wage jobs at walmart.
Meanwhile, Americans that are getting laid-off in droves(I am one of them and so is my GF) can't find work and are told tough sh!t by Government agencies that said we made to much money 2 years ago so we don't qualify for any kind of help.
I won't learn to speak spanish, I will never speak spanish even though I have four years of it. Immigrants will never have the kind of jobs I will have in mass numbers because of the education gap. At the same time their willingness to work for next to nothing in wages increases my purchasing power. Sucks for working class Americans though.
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Tom Robbin's said much the same thing (but much more eloquently, as is his wont) in his 1994 book "Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas" where he referred to the melting pot of America becoming a "putrid stew".
Lincoln said it best: "United We Stand, Divided We Fall."
Lincoln said it best: "United We Stand, Divided We Fall."
Just in case you people aren't properly pissed off about the situation, read this:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/business/0308/30/business-258091.htm
Mexico's second largest source of income is money sent home by Mexican's working in the US. This isn't trade. This is money that pours out of the US into Mexico, and they get it for free.
http://www.detnews.com/2003/business/0308/30/business-258091.htm
Mexico's second largest source of income is money sent home by Mexican's working in the US. This isn't trade. This is money that pours out of the US into Mexico, and they get it for free.
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