How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

[zinfamous]

I can't blame him for not buying evolution; it's obvious he only has one helix.

well, to be fair, when it's single-stranded there is no helix (like with single-stranded cDNA, RNA, or bacterial plasmid DNA--which is a ring).

and hey, there's the cool thing about plasmid DNA: we can cut up some jellyfish DNA, insert it in a bacterial cell, replicate it, re-exract those cool pieces, inject it into a toad embryo or a cow embryo or a sheep embryo or hell likely even a human embryo, and suddenly that organism now has functioning jellyfish genes.

And all because evolution isn't true, of course.

 

[zinfamous]

Neither alter the conclusion because the conclusion is that 4 billion years isn't long enough to make certain probabilities certain. I told you the 10^60 didn't represent anything, I pulled out of thin air, I didn't get it from anywhere, doesn't represent anything. Never did. You're lying suggesting that it did. Why are you lying?

There also aren't 10^24 planets where any of this life evolving nonsense could happen. But none of that matters to the point, you're just being dishonest.
I didn't see any citation, just the number asserted. I at least cited a link with an estimate that was lower than the low end of your range. But again, it doesn't matter, never has, you're just being dishonest, again.
I haven't made any arguments against evolution in this thread. Period.
Because you're lying about them. It wasn't an argument against evolution, I would have used worse probabilities and taken more into account if I was. The odds against are worse than 10^-60, much worse.

The only reason I wrote what I did is to further along a conversation with Moonbeam, period, end of story. You made a mistake, I corrected you multiple times, you lied about what I was saying and here we are.
Cite me using that number and cite ICR using that number. You've made a factual claim here and you either can back it up or you pulled it out of thin air.

I am the final authority on what I meant. Not you. *

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[IronWing]

I am the final authority on what I meant. Not you.

You can't even pass a Turing test and so have no credibility to judge your own words.

 

[buckshot24]

You can't even pass a Turing test and so have credibility to judge your own words.

That makes perfect sense.

 

[First]

I am the final authority on what I meant.

Kiddo, you don't have a fucking clue what you meant.

 

[soulcougher73]

I figured out why evolution is false. We still have people like buckshat around.....Obviously by now we should have evolved past his primitive brain..but here we are.

TADA?

 

[zinfamous]

I figured out why evolution is false. We still have people like buckshat around.....Obviously by now we should have evolved past his primitive brain..but here we are.

TADA?

Evolution works across populations. There is always the status quo, the eventual beneficial mutations, and the more common deleterious mutations that are selected against. buckshat is more common than we want to believe, but likely to be selected against (then again, modern humans have more or less succeeding beyond natural selective forces. We have glasses such that poor eyesight doesn't lead to tiger dinner or walking-off-cliffs, we can mend broken limbs, vaccines have eliminated most diseases, morons are increasingly convinced that they are smart--and other morons seem to find them attractive, etc), so that is not promising and could spell further generations of little shats.

 

[soulcougher73]

Evolution works across populations. There is always the status quo, the eventual beneficial mutations, and the more common deleterious mutations that are selected against. buckshat is more common than we want to believe, but likely to be selected against (then again, modern humans have more or less succeeding beyond natural selective forces. We have glasses such that poor eyesight doesn't lead to tiger dinner or walking-off-cliffs, we can mend broken limbs, vaccines have eliminated most diseases, morons are increasingly convinced that they are smart--and other morons seem to find them attractive, etc), so that is not promising and could spell further generations of little shats.

So...Idiocracy?

 

[First]

So...Idiocracy?

Oy, yes.

 

[Paratus]

So...Idiocracy?

In Idiocracy the president who's a minority wants the smartest people to be part of his cabinet to solve real crises.

So..... We wish?

 

[agent00f]

Neither alter the conclusion because the conclusion is that 4 billion years isn't long enough to make certain probabilities certain. I told you the 10^60 didn't represent anything, I pulled out of thin air, I didn't get it from anywhere, doesn't represent anything. Never did. You're lying suggesting that it did. Why are you lying?

There also aren't 10^24 planets where any of this life evolving nonsense could happen. But none of that matters to the point, you're just being dishonest.
I didn't see any citation, just the number asserted. I at least cited a link with an estimate that was lower than the low end of your range. But again, it doesn't matter, never has, you're just being dishonest, again.
I haven't made any arguments against evolution in this thread. Period.
Because you're lying about them. It wasn't an argument against evolution, I would have used worse probabilities and taken more into account if I was. The odds against are worse than 10^-60, much worse.

The only reason I wrote what I did is to further along a conversation with Moonbeam, period, end of story. You made a mistake, I corrected you multiple times, you lied about what I was saying and here we are.
Cite me using that number and cite ICR using that number. You've made a factual claim here and you either can back it up or you pulled it out of thin air.

I am the final authority on what I meant. Not you.

Suffice to say buckshot's outlook on evolution is characteristic of the degenerates' outlook on everything.

 

[Moonbeam]

buckshot, rather than search back through tis thread where you told Bowfinger you were communicating something to me, let me just say I wanted to respond to that post by telling you I didn't get what you intended. You asked me a specific question which I now forget, perhaps because my memory is poor but also because the terms meant nothing to me. I don't understand the probabilities thingi or the self organizing thingi so I don't really understand your questions. Whatever problem you are having with evolution I do not have. You see problems with it apparently which I do not. My natural inclination, therefore, is to assume you have problems that don't actually exist, but I also know I can be wrong. I can't really respond cogently, however, because I don't understand your objections, and as I said earlier, I may find, if I did understand them, hard without a great deal of learning in a field I leave to others to tell me about. I am at the moment persuaded that if there were anything to the third thingi, it will eventually bear fruit and I just don't think that will happen. If you have some ideas that are different than the third way thingi, I suspect they will suffer the same fate. Plenty of scientists who have no ulterior of hidden or unconscious motives for disproving evolution will do so if they find the disproof to be real. All of use fall into conformity of one kind or another, but if there is one place where the chances of that not happening are best, I would say it's science. Still, few scientists are, in my judgement, enlightened to the real third way, the integration of opposites at a higher state of consciousness. That is not provable to exist without personal tasting. In a room full of sleeping people, those who are awake recognize each other and those who sleep are unaware they even sleep.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Evolution works across populations. There is always the status quo, the eventual beneficial mutations, and the more common deleterious mutations that are selected against. buckshat is more common than we want to believe, but likely to be selected against (then again, modern humans have more or less succeeding beyond natural selective forces. We have glasses such that poor eyesight doesn't lead to tiger dinner or walking-off-cliffs, we can mend broken limbs, vaccines have eliminated most diseases, morons are increasingly convinced that they are smart--and other morons seem to find them attractive, etc), so that is not promising and could spell further generations of little shats.

This is a real problem that a lot of people can't seem to comprehend. I'm not saying I want to walk around blowing up hospitals to kill off the weak, but nature used to do that pretty effectively and now it isn't. At some point, the situation is going to self-correct, but I'm not sure what that will look like.

 

[MrDudeMan]

In a room full of sleeping people, those who are awake recognize each other and those who sleep are unaware they even sleep.

Damn, that's good. Did you make that up?

 

[Moonbeam]

Suffice to say buckshot's outlook on evolution is characteristic of the degenerates' outlook on everything.

Strange, if anything I would have thought this thread would have demonstrated his outlook on evolution isn't characteristic of almost anything and is off the charts odd. But then, for you he is a dog that should be put down and it's your demonizing that's par for the course. The liberal orthodoxy has found another heretic who must be burned at the stake. Impurities have fallen into your well.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Strange, if anything I would have thought this thread would have demonstrated his outlook on evolution isn't characteristic of almost anything and is off the charts odd. But then, for you he is a dog that should be put down and it's your demonizing that's par for the course. The liberal orthodoxy has found another heretic who must be burned at the stake. Impurities have fallen into your well.

In my experience, buckshat's outlook is common place. Using lies, misdirections, outright bullshit to rationalize denial and go right on believing in a deity.

 

[agent00f]

This is a real problem that a lot of people can't seem to comprehend. I'm not saying I want to walk around blowing up hospitals to kill off the weak, but nature used to do that pretty effectively and now it isn't. At some point, the situation is going to self-correct, but I'm not sure what that will look like.

Amusing as that was it's not terribly scientifically accurate since any meaningful evolution works over much longer time scales.

Strange, if anything I would have thought this thread would have demonstrated his outlook on evolution isn't characteristic of almost anything and is off the charts odd. But then, for you he is a dog that should be put down and it's your demonizing that's par for the course. The liberal orthodoxy has found another heretic who must be burned at the stake. Impurities have fallen into your well.

No, his insistence on parroting willfully ignorant garbage from conservative media against empirical is the status quo and entirely characteristic of his kind. If anything it's effective solutions to that category of problem which are uncommon, in large part because enough liberals also prefer the status quo.

 

[Moonbeam]

Damn, that's good. Did you make that up?

I am a nobody. I got just a peek of my Beloved's ankle when the wind lifted her skirt for a brief instant. But history and the present day are full of the wisdom of those for whom the self and the Beloved have become one and the same. I sometime find the shadows they cast as I look down at the ground. I learned quite a lot, I think, from Mulla Nasrudin. You might want to look him up. I was exposed to him via the works of Idris Shah.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Amusing as that was it's not terribly scientifically accurate since any meaningful evolution works over much longer time scales.

I'm not talking about evolution in the traditional sense. That's part of it, but a higher level of evolution exists now that we are capable of modifying our environment. It's hard to explain, but consider what would happen if the earth pushed back in a way we didn't expect or foresee. If chickens and cows became infertile in captivity, we would die off pretty quickly I think and, frankly, I'd have a hard time feeling bad for us. We treat other living things on this planet like shit, so we kind of deserve it. It's not necessarily evolution, but then it kinda is.

Evolution doesn't require long periods of time for significant changes to propagate. Case in point, we could intentionally and artificially introduce selection pressure(s) onto the population to drastically and immediately change our evolutionary trajectory. What if you started neutering everyone who didn't have green eyes? Nature typically plays this game over millennia as you suggested, but we unfortunately have the power to accelerate it.

The other evidence for fast evolution is the bacteria article posted earlier in the thread showing how quickly antibiotic resistance was accumulated in a population. That happened in weeks, not eons. My point is we're disrupting the slower, long term evolutionary trajectory of this planet and that's going to have a long-term impact. How isn't clear, but we'd be naive to not recognize that it's probably coming.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I am a nobody. I got just a peek of my Beloved's ankle when the wind lifted her skirt for a brief instant. But history and the present day are full of the wisdom of those for whom the self and the Beloved have become one and the same. I sometime find the shadows they cast as I look down at the ground. I learned quite a lot, I think, from Mulla Nasrudin. You might want to look him up. I was exposed to him via the works of Idris Shah.

You say some crazy shit, but it's always interesting. I'll read about him.

 

[Moonbeam]

In my experience, buckshat's outlook is common place. Using lies, misdirections, outright bullshit to rationalize denial and go right on believing in a deity.

OK, but how he does, is so, is unusual and atypical, in my opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm not talking about evolution in the traditional sense. That's part of it, but a higher level of evolution exists now that we are capable of modifying our environment. It's hard to explain, but consider what would happen if the earth pushed back in a way we didn't expect or foresee. If chickens and cows became infertile in captivity, we would die off pretty quickly I think and, frankly, I'd have a hard time feeling bad for us. We treat other living things on this planet like shit, so we kind of deserve it. It's not necessarily evolution, but then it kinda is.

Evolution doesn't require long periods of time for significant changes to propagate. Case in point, we could intentionally and artificially introduce selection pressure(s) onto the population to drastically and immediately change our evolutionary trajectory. What if you started neutering everyone who didn't have green eyes? Nature typically plays this game over millennia as you suggested, but we unfortunately have the power to accelerate it.

The other evidence for fast evolution is the bacteria article posted earlier in the thread showing how quickly antibiotic resistance was accumulated in a population. That happened in weeks, not eons. My point is we're disrupting the slower, long term evolutionary trajectory of this planet and that's going to have a long-term impact. How isn't clear, but we'd be naive to not recognize that it's probably coming.

We are a tremendous source of reducing genetic variability.

 

[agent00f]

I'm not talking about evolution in the traditional sense. That's part of it, but a higher level of evolution exists now that we are capable of modifying our environment. It's hard to explain, but consider what would happen if the earth pushed back in a way we didn't expect or foresee. If chickens and cows became infertile in captivity, we would die off pretty quickly I think and, frankly, I'd have a hard time feeling bad for us. We treat other living things on this planet like shit, so we kind of deserve it. It's not necessarily evolution, but then it kinda is.

Evolution doesn't require long periods of time for significant changes to propagate. Case in point, we could intentionally and artificially introduce selection pressure(s) onto the population to drastically and immediately change our evolutionary trajectory. What if you started neutering everyone who didn't have green eyes? Nature typically plays this game over millennia as you suggested, but we unfortunately have the power to accelerate it.

The other evidence for fast evolution is the bacteria article posted earlier in the thread showing how quickly antibiotic resistance was accumulated in a population. That happened in weeks, not eons. My point is we're disrupting the slower, long term evolutionary trajectory of this planet and that's going to have a long-term impact. How isn't clear, but we'd be naive to not recognize that it's probably coming.

It's a little confusing to call artificial selection natural selection (aka evolution). In practice humans tend to be pretty resilient against environmental change, which was rather why we were successful in the first place.

OK, but how he does, is so, is unusual and atypical, in my opinion.

Buckshit is just marginally more recalcitrant than the others, though in fairness not necessary much more than yourself despite the humblebrag instead of actual bragging.

 

[raildogg]

All sides are conditioned and aren't interested in the truth. They are only interested in pushing their own beliefs which are formed by their own conditioning.

Too bad 99.9999% of people are not aware of their own heavy conditioning - all sides. This includes every group, religious or not.

But keep believing you are more "evolved" or whatever than the next guy.

It's hard to believe but humanity is becoming more tribal and superficial than ever before. It doesn't matter whether someone believes in evolution or not. We as humans are just as disgusting creatures as we ever were - maybe even more now.

 

[agent00f]

All sides are conditioned and aren't interested in the truth. They are only interested in pushing their own beliefs which are formed by their own conditioning.

Too bad 99.9999% of people are not aware of their own heavy conditioning - all sides. This includes every group, religious or not.

But keep believing you are more "evolved" or whatever than the next guy.

It's hard to believe but humanity is becoming more tribal and superficial than ever before. It doesn't matter whether someone believes in evolution or not. We as humans are just as disgusting creatures as we ever were - maybe even more now.

Shitty people tend to love the argument that everyone else is just as shitty as themselves.