How the right wing lie machine works

[Schmide]

Hey HomerJS you've been here since 2002, pls show me your post back in '03 when Austin Goolsbee (Obama economic advisor) claimed the "books were cooked" when positive economic numbers were posted during the Bush admin:



http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/30/o...conomic-indicators-the-unemployment-myth.html

TIA

Fern

Kind of funny the BLS changed their way of gathering statistics about unemployment in 1994 directly because of what Austin Goolsbee was talking about in that article. Before that they were using rules and methods from 1967.

If there is a myth/corruption about the unemployment numbers, those complaining should site the reasons and declare a method for correcting these numbers as Austin Goolsbee did. Rather they just declared them corrupt, which kind of affirms the original reason for this thread.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that the date of the article is post election.

 

[BoberFett]

Hey HomerJS you've been here since 2002, pls show me your post back in '03 when Austin Goolsbee (Obama economic advisor) claimed the "books were cooked" when positive economic numbers were posted during the Bush admin:



http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/30/o...conomic-indicators-the-unemployment-myth.html

TIA

Fern

It's amazing that the difference between an angel and a devil is the letter after their name.

 

[werepossum]

The right wing lie machine?

Clinton's October surprise was a claim that George H. W. Bush had a mistress in France and had taken Air Force 2 to secretly be with her. ALL the main stream media solemnly reported the allegation. Even those reporters who had traveled to France with Bush reported the accusations. Reporters who had flown on the plane with Bush reported the Democrat allegations that it was a secret trip.

How many times have we heard about the "seriousness of the charges" from the main stream media in the absence of any evidence? At least in this case, we have numbers that patently do not add up. Unless of course one feels it's reasonable to have ever-larger number of workers simply dropping out of the work force, that a lower unemployment rate coupled with more workers and fewer workers working is perfectly normal.

 

[werepossum]

It's amazing that the difference between an angel and a devil is the letter after their name.

Got that right. The left has a bigger professional PR department than the right, but otherwise they are exactly the same.

 

[werepossum]

Ok, I had to check it. He did 3 numbers 3%, 5%, 7% and his main conclusion was based on the 5% number.



So I still call shenanigans. At the very least, pie in the sky optimism.

He's basically using the upward curve coming out of the recession and extrapolating 5% outward growth.

Certainly possible, but it's hard to imagine the Fed allowing that rate of growth for long.

One of our big problems is that the left asks for irresponsible spending with the promise that after his eight years are up, the budget will balance, and the right asks for irresponsible tax cuts with the promise that after his eight years are up, the budget will balance. Doesn't really matter how individuals or corporations get more money to spend, if very significant portions flow right out of the country for oil and foreign manufactured goods there isn't much bang for the buck.

Oh, I see the pharmacy was out of your lithium again. You really should ask them to keep it stocked.

In his pharmacy's defense, it is possibly ineffective if smoked.

 

[ivwshane]

The right wing lie machine?

Clinton's October surprise was a claim that George H. W. Bush had a mistress in France and had taken Air Force 2 to secretly be with her. ALL the main stream media solemnly reported the allegation. Even those reporters who had traveled to France with Bush reported the accusations. Reporters who had flown on the plane with Bush reported the Democrat allegations that it was a secret trip.

How many times have we heard about the "seriousness of the charges" from the main stream media in the absence of any evidence? At least in this case, we have numbers that patently do not add up. Unless of course one feels it's reasonable to have ever-larger number of workers simply dropping out of the work force, that a lower unemployment rate coupled with more workers and fewer workers working is perfectly normal.

Goddamn you are a fucking liar!! I've never heard of this Bush mistress shit so I looked it up, can you point to one instance where the mainstream media reported on it because I couldn't find it.


The current BLS numbers don't add up only if you chose to see it that way, otherwise if you look at the trends for the last several months including the revised numbers a .03 change doesn't see so unrealistic.

But facts don't seem to be your strong suit so just go with your gut.

 

[Schmide]

Goddamn you are a fucking liar!! I've never heard of this Bush mistress shit so I looked it up, can you point to one instance where the mainstream media reported on it because I couldn't find it.


The current BLS numbers don't add up only if you chose to see it that way, otherwise if you look at the trends for the last several months including the revised numbers a .03 change doesn't see so unrealistic.

But facts don't seem to be your strong suit so just go with your gut.

Improve your google skills dude

Hint Jennifer Fitzgerald http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20108467,00.html

 

[Jhhnn]

The right wing lie machine?

Clinton's October surprise was a claim that George H. W. Bush had a mistress in France and had taken Air Force 2 to secretly be with her. ALL the main stream media solemnly reported the allegation. Even those reporters who had traveled to France with Bush reported the accusations. Reporters who had flown on the plane with Bush reported the Democrat allegations that it was a secret trip.

How many times have we heard about the "seriousness of the charges" from the main stream media in the absence of any evidence? At least in this case, we have numbers that patently do not add up. Unless of course one feels it's reasonable to have ever-larger number of workers simply dropping out of the work force, that a lower unemployment rate coupled with more workers and fewer workers working is perfectly normal.

I think you need to cite sources for the bit about Clinton's October surprise, because I don't remember that at all. I was 43 at the time, btw.

Numbers that patently don't add up? They won't, necessarily, because they're from 2 different sources using different methodologies. It's like comparing polls between Obama & Romney.... they don't always add up, either.

Just because you want it to be a lie doesn't mean it is.

 

[ivwshane]

Improve your google skills dude

Hint Jennifer Fitzgerald http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20108467,00.html

LOL

So people is part of the mainstream media? Is this the lefts goto news source?

Holy fuck! We've got another moron here!

 

[werepossum]

Goddamn you are a fucking liar!! I've never heard of this Bush mistress shit so I looked it up, can you point to one instance where the mainstream media reported on it because I couldn't find it.


The current BLS numbers don't add up only if you chose to see it that way, otherwise if you look at the trends for the last several months including the revised numbers a .03 change doesn't see so unrealistic.

But facts don't seem to be your strong suit so just go with your gut.

Good to see you're as competent as you are smart.

Improve your google skills dude

Hint Jennifer Fitzgerald http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20108467,00.html

This, plus he was confronted by NBC's Stone Phillips in addition to front page stories in the New York Times, LA Times, The New York Post, and of course Spy Magazine (which gave a free copy to every Democrat convention delegate) among others. It was also big among taking heads in the '92 election cycle. Note that although this story is in People, it is about a CNN reporter and was covered by CNN.

As to why you've never heard of it, I can only assume you were a complete and utter idiot back then too.

 

[Schmide]

LOL

So people is part of the mainstream media? Is this the lefts goto news source?

Holy fuck! We've got another moron here!

Dude it was pre-internet. PS people was the most credible ruhmor mill mag back in the day.

Here's a picture from another source.

 

[Smoblikat]

Welcome my son........welcome to the machine.

 

[werepossum]

LOL

So people is part of the mainstream media? Is this the lefts goto news source?

Holy fuck! We've got another moron here!

Pssst - Schmide's on your side of the aisle. I know it's difficult for you to tell since he's soooo much smarter than you, but he's a leftie too. He's just a SMART leftie. You won't be able to understand his posts, but you should at least be able to figure out that you should refrain from attacking him.

 

[woolfe9999]

The right wing lie machine?

Clinton's October surprise was a claim that George H. W. Bush had a mistress in France and had taken Air Force 2 to secretly be with her. ALL the main stream media solemnly reported the allegation. Even those reporters who had traveled to France with Bush reported the accusations. Reporters who had flown on the plane with Bush reported the Democrat allegations that it was a secret trip.

How many times have we heard about the "seriousness of the charges" from the main stream media in the absence of any evidence? At least in this case, we have numbers that patently do not add up. Unless of course one feels it's reasonable to have ever-larger number of workers simply dropping out of the work force, that a lower unemployment rate coupled with more workers and fewer workers working is perfectly normal.

I didn't even remember this "October surprise." After Googling around, I now understand why. The media coverage was very brief and it didn't get far. Indeed, the media had purportedly ignored the allegation that Bush had an affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald for years prior. This story consumed a couple days of news cycle, and it doesn't seem the press was slanting it to make people believe it.

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald

 

[ivwshane]

Dude it was pre-internet. PS people was the most credible ruhmor mill mag back in the day.

Here's a picture from another source.

So far you have proven that this was covered in tabloid magazines and nothing more.

 

[ivwshane]

Pssst - Schmide's on your side of the aisle. I know it's difficult for you to tell since he's soooo much smarter than you, but he's a leftie too. He's just a SMART leftie. You won't be able to understand his posts, but you should at least be able to figure out that you should refrain from attacking him.

My side? My side is the side where the facts are, I don't have a side because it changes. I'll call bullshit when I see it and I expect anyone to do the same if I do it.

Ignorance is the willingness to ignore facts to maintain your position, I do not wish to be ignorant.

 

[werepossum]

I didn't even remember this "October surprise." After Googling around, I now understand why. The media coverage was very brief and it didn't get far. Indeed, the media had purportedly ignored the allegation that Bush had an affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald for years prior. This story consumed a couple days of news cycle, and it doesn't seem the press was slanting it to make people believe it.

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald

I think it died when one of the righties on a talking head show pointed out that one of the lefties who was bringing up the point "only because of the seriousness of the accusations" was actually on the trip. Once it's been pointed out that you're bringing up a "secret trip" to which you yourself were a party, it's hard for the public to take it seriously. So yes, it had a blessedly short run. Point is, mainstream media figures were repeating Democrat allegations even though they knew for a fact those allegations were untrue.

Kind of like how "Where was George?" died.

 

[werepossum]

My side? My side is the side where the facts are, I don't have a side because it changes. I'll call bullshit when I see it and I expect anyone to do the same if I do it.

Ignorance is the willingness to ignore facts to maintain your position, I do not wish to be ignorant.

I'm willing to concede there might be one person on these boards that believes that. But I certainly wouldn't risk good money on it. Certainly no more than one.

 

[Fern]

Goddamn you are a fucking liar!! I've never heard of this Bush mistress shit so I looked it up, can you point to one instance where the mainstream media reported on it because I couldn't find it.

In fairness to werepossum, I think it's going to be difficult to find confirmation if you're looking for articles published on the internet. I googled it and found much more modern articles mentioning the French mistress claims. But this event took place back in 1992. Not much content, or many people were on the internet back then. I remember it back in '94, my recollection was that it was text based and I don't recall any of the MSM publishing on the net yet.

The current BLS numbers don't add up only if you chose to see it that way, otherwise if you look at the trends for the last several months including the revised numbers a .03 change doesn't see so unrealistic.

But facts don't seem to be your strong suit so just go with your gut.

No, you don't need any bias to find the numbers odd. I've been looking for analysts' remarks on the unexpected numbers. There are many commentators all across the spectrum (not just those on Fox) who are expressing concern. 114,000 is simply too small. It's been noted by some that the U-6 remained the same while U-3 saw a material boost. That is counter-intuitive.

The trend for the last several months does NOT support optimism for job growth. The growth in GDP has fallen below 2% in each of the last 6 months. A slowing GDP does not portend job growth.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Got that right. The left has a bigger professional PR department than the right, but otherwise they are exactly the same.

Utterly false. The right wing has a much bigger & better propaganda generating machine by far, in the form of well funded think tanks, institutes, foundations & "charitable organizations", and it's been that way for decades.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

All economists worth their salt will agree that we are no longer in a recession. The US economy is slowly and tepidly lurching forward towards recovery. This is not disputed by any credible economist, period.

The only argument Romney can make at this point is that his policies will accelerate the recovery. He cannot truthfully say that Obama has made the situation worse than it was when he took office.

And we know the economic policies Romney wants to pursue are the exact ones that got us into this mess. Shredding regulations, more tax cuts lopsided towards the wealthy, etc. The GOP is simply out of ideas. They have utterly failed as a political party in moving this country forward towards prosperity.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

And btw Conservatives own the most watched cable TV news network, most syndicated radio talk show, and most syndicated newspaper.

You cannot whine about the "mainstream" media when you in fact are the mainstream media. Please STFU and stop playing the victim card like little girls.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think it died when one of the righties on a talking head show pointed out that one of the lefties who was bringing up the point "only because of the seriousness of the accusations" was actually on the trip. Once it's been pointed out that you're bringing up a "secret trip" to which you yourself were a party, it's hard for the public to take it seriously. So yes, it had a blessedly short run. Point is, mainstream media figures were repeating Democrat allegations even though they knew for a fact those allegations were untrue.

Kind of like how "Where was George?" died.

In other words, another totally unsubstantiated accusation. Got it.

Tabloids? You cite Tabloids in support of your "vast Libruhl media conspiracy"?

It's the same as the accusation that the unemployment numbers were rigged. You got nothin', and having been called on it, you just dig a deeper hole to hide in.

 

[TerryMathews]

And btw Conservatives own the most watched cable TV news network, most syndicated radio talk show, and most syndicated newspaper.

You cannot whine about the "mainstream" media when you in fact are the mainstream media. Please STFU and stop playing the victim card like little girls.

That is only true if you don't sum up the viewership of CBS, ABC, NBC, and MSNBC which run practically the same shows at the same slant.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Utterly false. The right wing has a much bigger & better propaganda generating machine by far, in the form of well funded think tanks, institutes, foundations & "charitable organizations", and it's been that way for decades.

... while the poor widdle weft wing has NOBODY! Nobody!!!



What's sad is that you apparently believe the partisan hackery that you spew forth.