How the f**k did dinosaurs get so big?

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Kelvrick

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Originally posted by: jdini76
I don't think dinosaurs where ever not big. So its not a question as to how they got big, but rather why were they so big to begin with.

:confused: If you follow evolution, wouldnt they have started as those little lizard things as they first exited the water? That means they'd have to get big, not just be big...
 

randay

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god made the bones really big so that we would have an easier time finding them, else his test would go unnoticed.
 

jdini76

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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: jdini76
I don't think dinosaurs where ever not big. So its not a question as to how they got big, but rather why were they so big to begin with.

:confused: If you follow evolution, wouldnt they have started as those little lizard things as they first exited the water? That means they'd have to get big, not just be big...

I guess so. Then evolution should also explain the answer. It comes down to survival of the fittest. The smaller dinosaurs were eaten by the larger ones. Eventualy making them bigger and bigger as millions of years pass.

Right?
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: jandrews
Millions of years of evelution as well as a very large amount of abundant foodsources. I think the temperature of the planet in general was warmer in those times and the land masses were more connected. Vegetation and meat would have been plentiful and without many winters and all that time the elite animals would mate producing larger and larger creatures. For example, humans used to have a much smaller average height only a few hundred years ago, I would be curious to see what another 1000 years brings.

Well we already have 900 pound people being carried around on forklifts. Id say we are getting close!

Those individuals aren't genetically viable. They can't mate due to their penis disappearing in between fat layers.

Man that must be rough. Can you tell us what its like? :laugh:

If walruses can do it, then so can 900lb humans. The ladies have it easy though, just throw some flour on her and find the wet spot.
 

Alphathree33

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I haven't heard a proper evolutionary answer yet.

"More food" doesn't necessarily mean there is an evolutionary ADVANTAGE to being bigger, it just means that the environment _COULD_ support bigger animals.

A necessary but hardly sufficient condition to actually GET bigger animals.

The argument would go something like this:

-- Imagine a world in which 50% of the dinosaurs are 1000 pounds and 50% of the dinosaurs are 1100 pounds. (A simple model for illustration.)

-- The 1000 pound dinosaurs might get eaten by larger predators (including, possibly, other dinosaurs) and have fewer animals to prey on themselves

-- The 1100 pound dinosaurs might be more sexually attractive (if they are male) due to their strength and also might have more prey available to them and fewer predators to hunt them.

-- The 1100 pound dinosaur is therefore more successful in terms of mating and producing offspring.

All of that said, there would be an upper limit. If you are WAY BIGGER than everyone else, is there an evolutionary advantage to then become WAY, WAY, WAY BIGGER than everyone else? Probably not.
 

paulxcook

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Originally posted by: ducci
I like how people posted stuff as if they knew it off the top of their head, when we all know they just Googled it first and then posted the info they found.

I swear the HGH/DGH theory is all original.
 

Taejin

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Whoever said more oxygen was right. There was a lot more oxygen (densitywise) that allowed for the evolution of larger animals. That's why insects back then were so big too.
 

Jugernot

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Does anyone know how the dinosaurs got to be so god damn big? No other land animal today even approaches the size of them.

True question is why did everything else get so much smaller?
 

lupi

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I've read that they've actually downscaled the size estimates recently for some of the species.
 

HammerCurl

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Originally posted by: Jugernot
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Does anyone know how the dinosaurs got to be so god damn big? No other land animal today even approaches the size of them.

True question is why did everything else get so much smaller?

Politics and red tape.
 

jandrews

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Also, blue whales are f'ing huge, we all know its possible for animals to be that size. That would be one tough vertebrae for a land animal though.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
God made them that way? Oh wait, God wasn't invented until about 2000 years ago. Nevermind...

At least get it right if you're gonna try. You're just referring to the "Christian" son of god. Monotheism though, has existed for much more than 2000 years.
 

Eli

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I think a better question would be how did modern plants and animals get so small....
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
God made them that way? Oh wait, God wasn't invented until about 2000 years ago. Nevermind...

At least get it right if you're gonna try. You're just referring to the "Christian" son of god. Monotheism though, has existed for much more than 2000 years.

So...it was more like 3000 years ago that we invented god then?
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: jandrews
Millions of years of evelution as well as a very large amount of abundant foodsources. I think the temperature of the planet in general was warmer in those times and the land masses were more connected. Vegetation and meat would have been plentiful and without many winters and all that time the elite animals would mate producing larger and larger creatures. For example, humans used to have a much smaller average height only a few hundred years ago, I would be curious to see what another 1000 years brings.
Winner! :)

Originally posted by: jdini76
I guess so. Then evolution should also explain the answer. It comes down to survival of the fittest. The smaller dinosaurs were eaten by the larger ones. Eventualy making them bigger and bigger as millions of years pass.

Right?
That, or being bigger would have made getting food easier. If I'm a big dinosaur, I can reach higher trees than smaller ones, giving me a survival edge. Or, at the time, there was no environmental incentive to stay small. Most animals' muscles will dwindle if they are not used constantly. This is a way of saving resources otherwise spent maintaining those muscles. If resources such as food, favorable temperatures, and oxygen were readily available, then they'd follow the same trend that trees seem to follow - just keep on growing as much as possible. In nature, size generally matters.


Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
God made them that way? Oh wait, God wasn't invented until about 2000 years ago. Nevermind...

At least get it right if you're gonna try. You're just referring to the "Christian" son of god. Monotheism though, has existed for much more than 2000 years.
Or polytheism for even longer.