Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: hatim
1. Ill leave than unasnwered
2. Think realistically. Same way; If you are msulim and have (illegal) sex you get fired
...Its not a must is it? You can have a wife. Ethics? Morals? That is an islamic moral.
3. You can communicate with GOD?
...since you talk of having faith in him? Who is he and what does he look like? Beleifs are much more complex than the religion itself and can only be learned after you have entered any religion. Anyways I will not go any deeper into this.
4 never did :/
6. NP
Besides Whiile Islamic law is divine law it is still law and must be treated like one. It is NOT beliefs. However I do beleive that this is divine law. But still there is a difference between practices and beleifs. - There is a reason for every law...something perhaps you or me will never be able to understand.
1. Well i suggest if you do not want to comment on that you stop telling him that he is wrong.
2. I have ethics and morals, mine are not based on religion though.
3. No i cannot (not in the way i can communicate with you), that does not mean i cannot have faith. Believe me, i have been a religious man once oupon a time, the hypocracy in ALL religions turned me away from them, i have faith but i do not follow any religion, i am a believer in doing good and following my own ways, my faith has nothing to do with my morals though.
4. "Sultan; No point arguing with an idiot who says he is a muslim" There you supported Sultans views and dismissed Aimsters views as idiotic. Referring to question 1 in my previous post, do you see the hypocracy?
2. Well I guess that answeres your own question.
3. How can you have faith in someone you dont even know?
4. That brings us to point 1. Anyone claiming to follow my religion and then syaing it is crap? Is that justice? Yes I agree with Sultan on that instance. Take another example. Say the US. Someone claims to be a US citizen yet claims the US is all rubbish...And religion seems to be a more serious matter than that don't you think? And I remember Aimster starting a runnish thread about Shiahs. That made me realize what sort o an idiot he is and how much we don't need him. You know that people like him are responsible for 80% of secular killings in my country?....Those that spread hate and who donot follow their own religion themseleves? Not hypocracy. I was staying away from pointing out where he is wrong. Ill do so for your pleasure. Aimster; What are your basic beleives? Answer that! Do you beleive that there is no GOD but there is Allah? And mohammed is his messenger? That makes a muslim. And if you beleive in Mohammed as the messenger of Allah how can you say that all the laws that he imposed are crap? On what do you base your opinions on? that they are crap? why are they crap? just because you think they are crap? And just becuase western civiliations think they are crap? Who are western civilizations to judge? It seems from your posts that you date and all and since you are living in America and become like them - who are you to judge religion? back up your claims! Just becuase you think and the western world thinks or for that matter the whole world thinks something is wrong doesnt make something right ot wrong. It is facts. And opinions dont count for anything in religion. If you learn religion, learn the meanings of religion itslef you will realize the facts. You say your prophet imposed crap laws? Do you even know why they were bought and what those laws mean? Young people seem to get a feeling that America is right in everything just becuase they are dominating the world in everything; like it has never been before. I agree that the US has many good things and many great things, however they are not perfect, nor is everything about them great or good. Then you may question that why God's own religion is so far behind. There are several explainations for that also.The thing is point of view. If you look at things from a western point of view you will get a perspective based on those views. However to understand a religion properly you must first look at things from the point of view of that religion - then question - and then decide. If you do beleive in God Klixxer; do you think he is so irresponsible that he never laid down the basic dos and donts? He mustve dont you think? where? thats for you to find out. For everything there is an explaination. Why you were born where you were and when you were...There must be an explaination for that also..but if we dont understand something we have no right to call it "crap" and I dont speak from a religios perspective only. Thats for everything in life.
Ive tried to be precise so if there is anything missing do correct me or ask me.
2. Not really, you are just running from it.
3. I do not really know if i should ask you to go to hell or just tell you you are ignorant if you need to believe that i cannot know god throug faith and not through religion, i am not even sure you are not joking.
4. Hang on there a second, you think Muslims need people like YOU, who have said that homosexuality is a crime that should be punished by stoning to death and Sultan who would "hope to carrry it out" in regards to stoning his own children but not someone who is compassionate like Aimster?
You are saying that you cannot think for yourself, you have to follow the text of the Koran literally? Eh, Aimster is interpreting it in the way that fits into 2004, he is the ONLY one of the three of you who thinks for himself.
Who created God? How can you believe in a God that you cannot explain, touch, smell, see, feel? A God who set you up with rules to keep you in bondage, unfree to do what you wish to do, unfree to follow what makes you a man?
You can continue to live the rest of your life in bondage under a God who is not mercyful, i will continue to live as a free man under a God who accepts me for who i am, for what he made me to be with all desires and pleasures.
To deny yourself life while you are living is worse than to kill yourself in my opinion.
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