How sick can religions be?

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: athithi

I think your very existence in this forum depends on hanging onto my coat-tails. On your own your stance is limited to bigotry, pedophilia, perversion, violence and discrimination. Whenever you want to sound reasonable, you invoke my name pretending that you have had some reasonable discussion with me :roll:

Well to be fair, I involved you in my argument, so that's why he's probably including you in his post.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: athithi

I think your very existence in this forum depends on hanging onto my coat-tails. On your own your stance is limited to bigotry, pedophilia, perversion, violence and discrimination. Whenever you want to sound reasonable, you invoke my name pretending that you have had some reasonable discussion with me :roll:

Well to be fair, I involved you in my argument, so that's why he's probably including you in his post.

Do you think I was responding based only on his latest reference? Somehow he seems to believe that others will overlook his psychotic views if he includes references to other ATers acting as if he has been having a reasonable discussion with them.

 

[athithi]

Isn't it kind of strange that he can talk to you about your religion but nobody can talk to him about his own religion?

True. You will see how he brought in Sati and Slavery talking of them as great evils propagated by other countries/religions. But when people point out stoning to death and discrimination as evil parts of his brand of Islam, then it becomes acceptable. So basically, his whole argument is that all religions have bad aspects except Islam because he has to follow Islam regardless of what is good or bad in it. Or in other words, if he makes a mistake it is not a mistake because he is only following his religion, but even if others didn't make a mistake they are still at fault because they could have made the mistake had they been as blind a follower of their own faith as he is. Yeah, twisted, I know. But very befitting of a twisted mind like Sultan's

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: athithi

Isn't it kind of strange that he can talk to you about your religion but nobody can talk to him about his own religion?

True. You will see how he brought in Sati and Slavery talking of them as great evils propagated by other countries/religions. But when people point out stoning to death and discrimination as evil parts of his brand of Islam, then it becomes acceptable. So basically, his whole argument is that all religions have bad aspects except Islam because he has to follow Islam regardless of what is good or bad in it. Or in other words, if he makes a mistake it is not a mistake because he is only following his religion, but even if others didn't make a mistake they are still at fault because they could have made the mistake had they been as blind a follower of their own faith as he is. Yeah, twisted, I know. But very befitting of a twisted mind like Sultan's

Yup, he uses some version of his religion to excuse him for his racist and homicidal tendencies. I guess in his mind anything is OK under his religion and everything and everyone else is inferior. Classic racist.

He probably finds Aztec religious human sacrifices to have been an appropriate ceremony. In his own logic from the Forum Issues thread, if he finds that to be barbaric then he must not be very tolerant of other religions.

 

[Sultan]

According to Islamic law and Islamic scholars who certainly know more than you, you are violating Islamic law if you go by the strictest sense. You are not allowed to take your business to a bank that makes money on interest, which it most certainly does. You should be using an Islamic bank that follows Islamic guidelines.

Also, since you have purchased stocks, you are now part ownership in a company that deals with interest and breaking of Islamic rules. It's quite clear under strict Islam that this is not appropriate.

You are practicing a piecewise version of Islam just like what you accused Atithi of.

You're wrong. Hatim above has said the same I did. Your 15 mins of Googling doesnt teach you Islam buddy

There are stock markets in every single Muslim nation (if I am not mistaken). You're really stretching it by claiming all these "Islamic" laws, etc

But I am happy you got to spend 15 mins researching on Islam. I encourage you to do more. It will only serve to make each of us more open to ideas other than our own.

You're teaching him his religion. You don't know what sect or anything he even belongs to. Sati was fluctuating in prevalence throughout history. How can you criticize me for stating what the majority of Islamic scholars think yet you tell Atithi about his religion. Hypocritical, don't you think?

You are violating Islam. Your practices are violating parts of it. You cannot associate with banks that make interest even if you don't make interest with them, you cannot purchase stocks from companies that don't have Islamic practices in mind. This is undeniable and most Muslim scholars state this. This is why there are Islamic banks and lists of stocks you can purchase that follow Islamic standards.

You are a piecewise Muslim.

I didnt know there were sects of Hinduism :shocked: What I know about Sati is from first hand accounts of Hindus and as I said, Athithi himself said it was part of his religion, albeit a "negative" aspect. So rather than falsely accuse me, try to make things more constructive

Again you can continue with this aspect of trying to teach me my religion. Its more like grasping at straws just to argue for the sake of arguing. I as a Muslim am telling you my obligations are to not give or take interest. But you keep on trying to impose your 15 mins of Google education on me Islamic banks exist for the sake of providing Islamic modes of purchasing homes, cars, etc. You're misinformed and rather than aggressively try to teach me my religion, please study it a bit more.

They all probably do originate from piecewise organization. It makes sense historically.

Even the Torah?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: athithi

Isn't it kind of strange that he can talk to you about your religion but nobody can talk to him about his own religion?

True. You will see how he brought in Sati and Slavery talking of them as great evils propagated by other countries/religions. But when people point out stoning to death and discrimination as evil parts of his brand of Islam, then it becomes acceptable. So basically, his whole argument is that all religions have bad aspects except Islam because he has to follow Islam regardless of what is good or bad in it. Or in other words, if he makes a mistake it is not a mistake because he is only following his religion, but even if others didn't make a mistake they are still at fault because they could have made the mistake had they been as blind a follower of their own faith as he is. Yeah, twisted, I know. But very befitting of a twisted mind like Sultan's

emm, I dont think of Sati as a bad thing. If I have said otherwise, I apologize. In fact, I have no opinion about it all. If its part of your religion, you can decide whether to follow it or not. I dont have to make a choice following it or not, you do.

Slavery on the other hand is an ill which should be abolished in any country, region, etc.

Punishments such as stoning to death are part of Islamic Law. You can like it or not like it. You're not accountable to it, so be merry.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: athithi

I think your very existence in this forum depends on hanging onto my coat-tails. On your own your stance is limited to bigotry, pedophilia, perversion, violence and discrimination. Whenever you want to sound reasonable, you invoke my name pretending that you have had some reasonable discussion with me :roll:

Well to be fair, I involved you in my argument, so that's why he's probably including you in his post.

Do you think I was responding based only on his latest reference? Somehow he seems to believe that others will overlook his psychotic views if he includes references to other ATers acting as if he has been having a reasonable discussion with them.

Since you're so good at finger pointing, cursing while referring to Muslims and laying out big labels, its only fair that I give you fair credit in my posts

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

According to Islamic law and Islamic scholars who certainly know more than you, you are violating Islamic law if you go by the strictest sense. You are not allowed to take your business to a bank that makes money on interest, which it most certainly does. You should be using an Islamic bank that follows Islamic guidelines.

Also, since you have purchased stocks, you are now part ownership in a company that deals with interest and breaking of Islamic rules. It's quite clear under strict Islam that this is not appropriate.

You are practicing a piecewise version of Islam just like what you accused Atithi of.

You're wrong. Hatim above has said the same I did. Your 15 mins of Googling doesnt teach you Islam buddy

There are stock markets in every single Muslim nation (if I am not mistaken). You're really stretching it by claiming all these "Islamic" laws, etc

But I am happy you got to spend 15 mins researching on Islam. I encourage you to do more. It will only serve to make each of us more open to ideas other than our own.

Bzzzzzt, you're both wrong. Most Islamic scholars have stated this. Sure, there are Islamic stock markets. There is also the Dow Jones Islamic Market Index which was created for people to invest according to Islamic investing guidelines. However, even in some of these special ones, you can only if you make lenient rules and changing Islam can you invest. You are a part-owner and responsible for the company's actions. You're not even allowed to do so in the strictest sense. Companies certainly make money off of interest. You're also not allowed to participate in a bank that makes interest. That's why there are Islamic banking systems.

You are a piecewise Muslim.

You're teaching him his religion. You don't know what sect or anything he even belongs to. Sati was fluctuating in prevalence throughout history. How can you criticize me for stating what the majority of Islamic scholars think yet you tell Atithi about his religion. Hypocritical, don't you think?

You are violating Islam. Your practices are violating parts of it. You cannot associate with banks that make interest even if you don't make interest with them, you cannot purchase stocks from companies that don't have Islamic practices in mind. This is undeniable and most Muslim scholars state this. This is why there are Islamic banks and lists of stocks you can purchase that follow Islamic standards.

You are a piecewise Muslim.

I didnt know there were sects of Hinduism :shocked: What I know about Sati is from first hand accounts of Hindus and as I said, Athithi himself said it was part of his religion, albeit a "negative" aspect. So rather than falsely accuse me, try to make things more constructive

Again you can continue with this aspect of trying to teach me my religion. Its more like grasping at straws just to argue for the sake of arguing. I as a Muslim am telling you my obligations are to not give or take interest. But you keep on trying to impose your 15 mins of Google education on me Islamic banks exist for the sake of providing Islamic modes of purchasing homes, cars, etc. You're misinformed and rather than aggressively try to teach me my religion, please study it a bit more.

What I know of Islamic law regarding banks and stocks is from first hand accounts of Muslims and as I said, Islamic scholars are inconsistent with your statements. You say that you follow a 7th century (?), strict version of Islam. You most certainly do not. You are a piecewise Muslim for selecting what you believe in. That's an okay thing, it's not an insult.

And like I said, if you think about it, Islam itself is a piecewise religion like all other religions.

They all probably do originate from piecewise organization. It makes sense historically.

Even the Torah?

I'm guessing so.

 

[Sultan]

Bzzzzzt, you're both wrong. Most Islamic scholars have stated this. Sure, there are Islamic stock markets. There is also the Dow Jones Islamic Market Index which was created for people to invest according to Islamic investing guidelines. However, even in some of these special ones, you can only if you make lenient rules and changing Islam can you invest. You are a part-owner and responsible for the company's actions. You're not even allowed to do so in the strictest sense. Companies certainly make money off of interest. You're also not allowed to participate in a bank that makes interest. That's why there are Islamic banking systems

hehe. Again your 15 mins of Googling misleads you. The Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes are stocks of companies in businesses that are not considered suitable for Islamic investing. Incompatible lines of business include :
Alcohol
Pork-related products
Conventional financial services (banking, insurance, etc.)
Entertainment (hotels, casinos/gambling, cinema, pornography, music, etc.)
Here: Link

I have no stock in such companies. I know my religion. Please do not try to teach me it. I explained why there is an Islamic banking system. You can choose to accept it or not.

What I know of Islamic law regarding banks and stocks is from first hand accounts of Muslims and as I said, Islamic scholars are inconsistent with your statements. You say that you follow a 7th century (?), strict version of Islam. You most certainly do not. You are a piecewise selecting what you believe in. That's an okay thing, it's not an insult

Islamic Law is not defined by Islamic Scholars. It is defined by the Quran and Sunnah. So again, after you're well versed in the above, you can advise me on how to follow my religion. Till then, please excuse me if I do not agree with you.

I'm guessing so.

So you believe none of the texts are Divine?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Bzzzzzt, you're both wrong. Most Islamic scholars have stated this. Sure, there are Islamic stock markets. There is also the Dow Jones Islamic Market Index which was created for people to invest according to Islamic investing guidelines. However, even in some of these special ones, you can only if you make lenient rules and changing Islam can you invest. You are a part-owner and responsible for the company's actions. You're not even allowed to do so in the strictest sense. Companies certainly make money off of interest. You're also not allowed to participate in a bank that makes interest. That's why there are Islamic banking systems

hehe. Again your 15 mins of Googling misleads you. The Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes are stocks of companies in businesses that are not considered suitable for Islamic investing. Incompatible lines of business include :
Alcohol
Pork-related products
Conventional financial services (banking, insurance, etc.)
Entertainment (hotels, casinos/gambling, cinema, pornography, music, etc.)
Here: Link

I have no stock in such companies. I know my religion. Please do not try to teach me it. I explained why there is an Islamic banking system. You can choose to accept it or not.

You're incorrect. It even says so on the website that you linked: The Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes were created for people who wish to invest according to Islamic investment guidelines. And Islamic scholars even state that you can only invest in the most lenient of rules/interpretations because almost all companies deal with interest. You are effectively an owner of the company when you invest and thus responsible for the company's actions according to Islamic scholars. You do not invest according to Islamic guidelines. You do not bank according to Islamic guidelines.

You are a piecewise Muslim.

What I know of Islamic law regarding banks and stocks is from first hand accounts of Muslims and as I said, Islamic scholars are inconsistent with your statements. You say that you follow a 7th century (?), strict version of Islam. You most certainly do not. You are a piecewise selecting what you believe in. That's an okay thing, it's not an insult

Islamic Law is not defined by Islamic Scholars. It is defined by the Quran and Sunnah. So again, after you're well versed in the above, you can advise me on how to follow my religion. Till then, please excuse me if I do not agree with you.

Yes, these Islamic scholars are well versed in the Quran, etc. They are certainly more well versed and more authoritative than you. They disagree with your lifestyle. Like it or not, you're a piecewise Muslim, selectively choosing what you wish to believe in. Like I said, this is not a bad thing.

I'm guessing so.

So you believe none of the texts are Divine?

Not sure, possibly, but man certainly influences the religion. I'm not Muslim, Christian, or Jewish so I personally do not care. Islam itself is inherently piecewise just like Christianity and probably all other religions.

 

[Grunt03]

How sick can they be, I mean kidnapping innocent people.... Parading them on TV for a month, (in a cage, begging for life etc..) Then broadcasting on the internet them screaming to death by sawing their heads off (probably taking about 20 seconds). As they go through probably the worst pain in their last few seconds of their life. Then holding up the head they have just cut off. I mean, this is just ridicolous behaviour and it sickens me to death. Are they trying to get us to start hating muslims EVERYWHERE??

I would like to offer my thoughts on this. Since I have been there and have seen first hand what is really going on, you know the other things that the news are not reporting. The actions of a few in no way means that all Muslim's are as bad. While in Iraq I have seen how the population reacts to the Military.Most of them are very greatful that we are there.They interact with the military and are doing what they can to assist in the effort of rebuilding their country. I will admit I went first with much hatred built up inside of me. Once there on the ground and seeing people in need it all flushes out of you and human nature takes control. It will take time but in the end they will be better off.

I do not mean to drag this out but I do think that not enough is being said about our military forces who are serving over there.They are fighting an unknown enemy, in an unconventional war.

As for the Coward Dogs who like to kidnap and behead. There time will come, hopefully their own people will turn aginst them......

 

[carldon]

Sultan, I have a few questions which I hope you can answer. Does islam allow men to have more than one wife? And what is the stance in this case for women? The reason I am asking you this is to point out that every religion has inherent faults, which was a result of the kind of society structure when it was created. What people of all religions need to do is to identify these 'rules' which infringe on basic rights and stop following them, like Sati in hinduism, Crusades of christianity. I am not one to say that one form of punishment needs to be stopped, but the reason for which it is given needs to revisited. Things like gender equality, why even equality in general never existed, though they were part of religion. People aren't called fundamentalists because of the degree of belief in their religion, but rather that they choose to be blind to the fact that nothing is perfect.

CD.

 

[The Green Bean]

You know most of you have no idea of what is really going on in Iraq. Maybe if you do a search here for "Iraq" There is a thread by me describing what people within IRAQ think. And to be fair it is the americans that are more "SICK". Killing civilians without mercy. Apparently "Dragging them in the desert" and "beheading them" and also "commanders letting the soldiers do whatever they want to prisoners". Its all on AT PnN.

Interest - You can't take you can't give. But you can deal with a bank or an individual taking interest. By making trading with anyone who takes interest illegal - muslims would be forbidden to deal with 80% of all people - which is utter stupidity. So whatever "those" scholars are saying is wrong. Thats Islam's biggest enemy and is forbidden - "Qiyas" or making laws or decisions in religion yourself. They make their own decisions - thats wrong. Its all there in the Quran but they donot know how to interpret it. You can deal with anyone in the world as long as you arent doing anything illegal yourself. Who cares what the other person is doing. You cannot be responsible for the whole world can you?

It is not the fact that nothing is perfect and the blindness towards it that causes extremism but misguidance and Qiyas.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Sultan, you and your beliefs are a shining example of why the world would be better off without Islam. 100 lashes? Stoning?

Barbaric...

Make that statement but instead of singling out Islam, state RELIGION and i will agree.

Religion is in itself a crutch for weak minds, some times these weak minds are lead into dangrerous thoughts, that goes for ALL sects of ALL religions, if you are willing to face that fact, then congrats, if you are not, but only willing to single out Islam, then you have my pity.

"Tell them - For you your religion and for me mine"

If you don't even study the basics of religion and just decide based on what YOU think about the laws of those religions based on what you have been taught - thats totally fvcked!!!

I have been all over the world and studied most religions (i am still learning though). That does not mean that the human interpretations can be understood fully, in many cases, as with Wahabism, the religious texts are interpreted too literally and the end result is trying to keep the words created thousands of years ago, true in to days society, it is impossible to do so, our world is so different and religions have to adapt or be gone.

Wahabism leads to extremism IMO. Im totally against them. There are meanings to everything that there is in the Quran. I agree literal meanings donot have as much value as the meanings innside. But then again - they left Imam Ali - The door or knowledge and went to look other places so they got the wrong meanings.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan

Didn't you post something about wanting to tax non-Muslims and willing to kill your own children?

You can try to lie on these forums and deceive people at times, but your true colors eventually come out.

I can't even imagine what kind of hatred you hold for Jewish people...I mean..they're not Muslim!

Does the above translate into a yes or a no to my question?

That would be a no. Your deception is now apparent. I was a fool to think you were genuine at the time. Your bigotry is now clearly apparent.

Interesting, I wonder who did then. You're quite a hostile person. I just asked a question and you term that as a deception

No, I'm saying your facade at the time was a deception that fooled me.

I'm hostile? Sorry, but I think someone that will murder his children is pretty hostile.

I will punish an adulteror. According to the laws laid down by my religion. You term that hostile. I dont

That's because you're an extremist.

That is true, and it is sad for his future children, i bet the wife his father chooses for him feels the same way but it is not like she has a choice.

Clearing up a few points..

1. It is not anyone that has a right to kill. It is the the government and the court that takes actions. Killing someeoneyourself would be illegal. And since there isnt such a justice system in place; killing for adeltery is not viable. However it would only be right to be a witness at court. In Islam for a punishment for adultery to be in place; 4 witnesses are needed and then the court decides.

2. 100 lashes if not married. Else stoning. Thats the law that has been given.

3. Obviosuly a son/daughter can chose his/her spouse. Its not like a father has much right to get a husband or a wife in Islam. Advice...not selection. Again that arranged marraige thing is more like culture than religion.

4. Interest. Don't give don't take. Everything in the middle doesnt count. So what if the bank charges interest? If you dont take it then its fine. Likewise you can deal with anyone you want..drankard etc as long as you arent doing anything illegal!

Do you, or would you follow that law?

3) The advice you speak of is either followed by the woman or she will be killed, is it not so?

Nope she can marry who ever she wants to. First she can ask her grandfather - father - brother in that order to perform the official "nikkah" ceromony on her behalf. Again this requires 2 witnesses. If they refuse she can always ask the town elder to perform the ceromny on her behalf. If a man and women are happy then the parents have no right to interfere in marraige. And marraige should not be performed on the basis of wealth or status. If his religion is in place that whats the wait for?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Sultan
However, imposing your own beliefs on others is also ALWAYS wrong.

Murdering your children is ALWAYS wrong.

yes children cannot be considered for punishment in any crime. It is after they have reached puberty (or 18 as they say in the USA ) that they can be punished for what crime the commit after that age. And a noone has the right to kill anyone. Only the court has that right.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Sultan....I will continue to make a fool of myself....

Athithi himself said Sultan is a racist, bigot, pervert, maniac

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Sultan....I will continue to make a fool of myself....

Athithi himself said Sultan is a racist, bigot, pervert, maniac

Thank you again for dumping labels. I will take it from a Hindu to know his religion, and you have stated that Sati is part of Hinduism.

Your accusatory labels I will dismiss because I see you in the same light as you see me.

Please carry on posting with little to no intelligent contribution.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: carldon
Sultan, I have a few questions which I hope you can answer. Does islam allow men to have more than one wife? And what is the stance in this case for women? The reason I am asking you this is to point out that every religion has inherent faults, which was a result of the kind of society structure when it was created. What people of all religions need to do is to identify these 'rules' which infringe on basic rights and stop following them, like Sati in hinduism, Crusades of christianity. I am not one to say that one form of punishment needs to be stopped, but the reason for which it is given needs to revisited. Things like gender equality, why even equality in general never existed, though they were part of religion. People aren't called fundamentalists because of the degree of belief in their religion, but rather that they choose to be blind to the fact that nothing is perfect.

CD.

Thank you for asking this question as many "Westerns" have an incorrect view regarding this aspect of Islam.

Before I answer this question, I would like you to ask yourself how many Muslim males do you know or have seen that have more than one wife?

My answer would be close to negligible if not nil.

Islam does allow males to marry more than once. However, as with any law, there are conditions that need to be fulfilled for the law's contents to be applicable. The law exists so that women who have no means of support, or (especially) orphans, etc can have means of support and respect in society should there be a case where a single suitor is not available. Additionally, the male must, by his conscience and action be fair and equal to all his wives. If such conditions are not fulfilled, then polygamy is prohibited under Islam. The reference to the Quran which I suggest you read if you so desire is Verse 4:3. Please read it with translation and commentary without which you might take the single verse out of context and base opinions of that.

 

[Sultan]

You're incorrect. It even says so on the website that you linked: The Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes were created for people who wish to invest according to Islamic investment guidelines. And Islamic scholars even state that you can only invest in the most lenient of rules/interpretations because almost all companies deal with interest. You are effectively an owner of the company when you invest and thus responsible for the company's actions according to Islamic scholars. You do not invest according to Islamic guidelines. You do not bank according to Islamic guidelines.

Carry on spinning buddy You and I both know you're picking of one sentence from the website while the website further goes on to say which businesses are incompatible to invest in

Yes, these Islamic scholars are well versed in the Quran, etc. They are certainly more well versed and more authoritative than you. They disagree with your lifestyle. Like it or not, you're a piecewise Muslim, selectively choosing what you wish to believe in. Like I said, this is not a bad thing.

I am sure you qualify to be a good judge in this regard Again, excuse me if I dont agree with you but my religion is not based on opinions of "scholars" or you. You can keep spinning it around or labelling me. I already answered your post regarding interest. So did Hatim. Here's are the quotes from the Quran and this hopefully will dispel your lies that I am not in line with my religion.

The first one is in Surah Al-baqarah verse no.275

"Those who devour usury will not stand except as stands one whom the Satan by his touch has driven to madness. That is because they say, "trade is like usury", but Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden usury",

In the next verse verse 276 in the same place he says,

"Allah will deprive usury of all blessing, and will give increase for deeds of charity, for he does not love any ungrateful sinner."

Two verses later in verse 278 he says,

"Oh you who believe! Fear Allah and give up what remains of your demand for usury if you are indeed believers."

In the second place in Surah Aal-Imran, verse no.130 Allah says,

"Oh you who believe! Devour not usury doubled and multiplied; but fear Allah that you may prosper."

In the third place in Surah Al-Nisaa? Allah states in verse 161,

"That they took usury though they were forbidden and they devoured peoples wealth wrongfully; we have prepared for those amongst them who reject faith a grievous chastisement."

In the fourth place, Surah Al-Room, verse no.39 Allah mentions

"That which you give in usury for increase through the property of people will have no increase with Allah: but that which you give for charity seeking the countenance of Allah, it is these who will get a recompense multiplied."

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: carldon
Sultan, I have a few questions which I hope you can answer. Does islam allow men to have more than one wife? And what is the stance in this case for women? The reason I am asking you this is to point out that every religion has inherent faults, which was a result of the kind of society structure when it was created. What people of all religions need to do is to identify these 'rules' which infringe on basic rights and stop following them, like Sati in hinduism, Crusades of christianity. I am not one to say that one form of punishment needs to be stopped, but the reason for which it is given needs to revisited. Things like gender equality, why even equality in general never existed, though they were part of religion. People aren't called fundamentalists because of the degree of belief in their religion, but rather that they choose to be blind to the fact that nothing is perfect.

CD.

Islam allows it, but the women MUST agree to it. How many women do you know that will agree to sharing a man? None. Also Islam states that if a man has more than 1 wife he must treat all of them equally.

 

[Aimster]

I just wanted all the people who haven't read the thread to know Sultan does not represent the views of most Muslims. He is an extremist. He states that he is not, so I ask you this Sultan. What is a Muslim extremist and how are you different? That's what I thought. Enjoy your Muslim crapping.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: carldon
Sultan, I have a few questions which I hope you can answer. Does islam allow men to have more than one wife? And what is the stance in this case for women? The reason I am asking you this is to point out that every religion has inherent faults, which was a result of the kind of society structure when it was created. What people of all religions need to do is to identify these 'rules' which infringe on basic rights and stop following them, like Sati in hinduism, Crusades of christianity. I am not one to say that one form of punishment needs to be stopped, but the reason for which it is given needs to revisited. Things like gender equality, why even equality in general never existed, though they were part of religion. People aren't called fundamentalists because of the degree of belief in their religion, but rather that they choose to be blind to the fact that nothing is perfect.

CD.

Islam allows it, but the women MUST agree to it. How many women do you know that will agree to sharing a man? None. Also Islam states that if a man has more than 1 wife he must treat all of them equally.

I have posted a much more elaborate response above, but thank you for contributing as well

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I just wanted all the people who haven't read the thread to know Sultan does not represent the views of most Muslims. He is an extremist. He states that he is not, so I ask you this Sultan. What is a Muslim extremist and how are you different? That's what I thought. Enjoy your Muslim crapping.

lol.
why dont you tell me why you call me an extremist? because I support Islamic Law while you cheat on your girlfriend and then try to stand up for your religion while obviously going against the teachings of Islam?
and if you choose to accuse me of being an extremist because I dont agree with the media representation of the Taliban, you have more than one nut loose.
Taliban != Islam
My opinion about the Taliban has nothing to do with the belief in Islam. If you support President Bush or Senator Kerry, does it make you more or less of a Muslim?
You're too funny buddy

 

[ijester]

I just find it somewhat ironic that none of the god/allah/etc. - prophets/sons were for violence. They all taught love and tolerance personally. Jesus did not kill anyone in the name of god. But the catholic church sure got carried away when its leaders became entangled with politics.

99% of all violence perpetrated in the name of religion is done because of someone's personal goals and power-hungry attitudes.