How Scared is the GOP of an Obama win?

[jimmyj68]

What you should fear is that which an earlier poster mentioned - the repubs have an elaborate plan in motion to steal the election.

Now; Using voter fraud during early voting - voting suppression on millions of voter registrations deemed "suspect", they set that up with the ACORN brouhaha by infiltrating acorn and dropping thousands of fake registrations.

November 4th; Using rigged voting machines, inadequate numbers of voting machines in areas likely to have heavy democratic voters, and subtle forms of intimidation and harassment.

November 5th; Enormous cries of foul play if McCain still loses. Their possible question? How many of those winning votes may have come from ACORN fraudulent registrations. Back to Bush's Supreme Court we go.

McCain has an army of workers and supporters out there but they are undercover. Every Republican employed in any way shape or form in the election process will be cheating. Thousands of others are illegally voting early or submitting libelous absentee ballots to be fololowed by an on-site "legal" ballot. The Repub election administrators slip these ballots into the count.

No more hanging chads - we now have technologically sophisticated cheaters.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
What you should fear is that which an earlier poster mentioned - the repubs have an elaborate plan in motion to steal the election.

Now; Using voter fraud during early voting - voting suppression on millions of voter registrations deemed "suspect", they set that up with the ACORN brouhaha by infiltrating acorn and dropping thousands of fake registrations.

November 4th; Using rigged voting machines, inadequate numbers of voting machines in areas likely to have heavy democratic voters, and subtle forms of intimidation and harassment.

November 5th; Enormous cries of foul play if McCain still loses. Their possible question? How many of those winning votes may have come from ACORN fraudulent registrations. Back to Bush's Supreme Court we go.

I hope you have the courage to come back on Nov. 5th and admit to being a world-class idiot for believing any of that.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: yuppiejrSo instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

Exactly! Instead of trying to find ways to provide healthcare for someone who came into our country under illegal pretenses, why do we have to provide any medical support for them? The issue with illegal immigration needs to be properly corrected - so, this does not consume our country and our tax dollars. Now, if someone wants to become a citizen of the U.S. - AND is willing to follow the necessary protocol to do it, I'm all for it.

As has already been stated, neither party is in the least bit interested in doing anything about it. Next...

Forget your "next" crap. Why blow off the topic? I feel it's quite important. If Obama had addressed this in his "grand plan", he'd have plenty of McCain supporters jumping over to his side that we could close the polls down early on election day.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: yuppiejrSo instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

Exactly! Instead of trying to find ways to provide healthcare for someone who came into our country under illegal pretenses, why do we have to provide any medical support for them? The issue with illegal immigration needs to be properly corrected - so, this does not consume our country and our tax dollars. Now, if someone wants to become a citizen of the U.S. - AND is willing to follow the necessary protocol to do it, I'm all for it.

As has already been stated, neither party is in the least bit interested in doing anything about it. Next...

Forget your "next" crap. Why blow off the topic? I feel it's quite important. If Obama had addressed this in his "grand plan", he'd have plenty of McCain supporters jumping over to his side that we could close the polls down early on election day.

Start here.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/

I agree that it is not exactly the highlight of his campaign speeches and debate points, but he has addressed the concern. Addressing it isn't really the problem. The problem is people, especially Repubs, don't have confidence that anything will really be done about it. I am not entirely sure where I stand on that issue myself. Only time will tell.

 

[jimmyj68]

Mursilis -

I'll go one better - I'll admit to being an idiot today, right now -

I am an idiot becuase I know what I sense in the behavior of the McCain campaign, and I have absolutely no clue what to do about it.

On November 5th, should McCain win, it will be impossible to make a case that the election was rigged and I'll be joined by miilions of other idiots who have been unwittingly led down the garden path. People like Carl Rove who claim no connection to the McCain campaign except as advisor use their genius manipulative skills to make people see and hear what Carl Rove wants them to hear and see. Why do you think they always appeal to thier "base"? The Repubs have used the most atrocious marketing ploys to sell their product. They sell the sizzle and not the steak and spend the rest of the time telling you how bad their opponents steak is.

I honestly believe that not even John McCain knows what is going on within his party and campaign. Joe Biden makes a sensible and earnest statement about what Obama will face if elected and the Repubs immediately turn it around and make it a scare tactic - followed coincedently within a week by an unprecedented boots on the ground attack in Syria. How many folks were frightened away from an Obama vote by that little ploy?

The McCain "underdog comeback " tactic is further cover for an insidious scheme to win the election at all costs. On November 4th the nation will say "Wow, what a comeback".
If they examine the speeches and appearances by he an Palin in this last week they will find nothing to justify such a change. They continue with the veiled innuendoes that Obama can't be trusted, they continue to argue against an economic plan that is remarkably similar to their plan with the exception of tax policies. Not many folks are buying his plan that understand what the Obama plan entails.

So if he makes a surprise "comeback" on November 4th it will be because of the scenario I've outlined and a little Bradly effect.

 

[Muse]

Why is "conservatism," a return to real "conservatism" put forth as instrumental to revitalizing the Republican party? What indeed is "conservatism?" If it's a hankering back, is it not regressive? Is it not necessary for the GOP to reinvent itself if it hopes to survive, to be relevant? We have a multiparty scenario in the USA in order to present alternatives. Alternatives don't have to be a repudiation of the other parties' policies. They can be a different take on things, an augmentation, a new take, new ideas, new ways of moving forward. We're not going to get where we want to go by focusing solely on the rear view mirror.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: T2T III
Scared? Hell yeah, I'm scared. :frown:

What exactly are you scared of? Just trying to gain some insight.

Several reasons:

1) More smaller business will either fail due to tax increases, or they'll have to curb the hiring of employees - and may even lay more of them off.

2) People who are not currently paying taxes, but will receive "Demfare" checks which will be disguised as tax credits. This will weaken the ability and desire for one to further advance themself.

3) The "real" Obama will appear. He's done a great job of keep calm, cool and collected; people love the view of him now, but what will the future bear?

4) Suppression of freedom of speech for networks who question any of his decisions or practices (as already witnessed via Joe Biden's) responses to date.

5) Joe Biden's "firecracker" temper.

1) Small businesses - If after expenses, payroll, etc. the profit is less than $250,000 they'll get a tax CUT.

2) ?

3) The Real Obama! Thank goodness there is NO real McCain, nothing to fear there!

4) Are you kidding? You think the Democrats are going to try to undermine the First Amendment? Wrong party.

5) Joe? He's going to be the VP, that is unless some crackers snuff Obama. That's what's to be feared here.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Muse
Why is "conservatism," a return to real "conservatism" put forth as instrumental to revitalizing the Republican party? What indeed is "conservatism?" If it's a hankering back, is it not regressive? Is it not necessary for the GOP to reinvent itself if it hopes to survive, to be relevant? We have a multiparty scenario in the USA in order to present alternatives. Alternatives don't have to be a repudiation of the other parties' policies. They can be a different take on things, an augmentation, a new take, new ideas, new ways of moving forward. We're not going to get where we want to go by focusing solely on the rear view mirror.

No one is saying the Repubs need to reform themselves back to their "old ways". Instead, I think what most people want is for them to be fiscally conservative again and also being much less socially conservative, but do so while taking heavy consideration of the need to adapt to the modern times. No one is looking for a draconian solution here.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I'm a liberal democrat and scared of Obama becoming President.

It's destiny. To me, the brightest part of this picture is the fact that Obama has been and is generating a lot of excitement among the young. In the past, they have typically been turned off by politics, complacent, bored by the whole thing. The fact that the Obama candidacy has energized this part of the populace gives me hope that America can be retrieved. I'm thrilled that an African-American has emerged as a major party candidate. I didn't expect it to happen as soon as it has. He supplanted the front running first-time female candidate and in doing so became an experienced and tested on the stump politician. People lament that we haven't seen his legislative credentials, how he operates in Washington. Well, that might be a plus. Too much machinery could prove detrimental. In Obama's speeches I occasionally have the sense that he's channeling prophetic Afro-Americans, both MLK Jr. and, yes, Malcolm X. Don't get all up in arms about Malcolm X. His history was complex and he changed. He repudiated a lot of his previous thinking. If you're curious and haven't, read his autobiography, a very honest document.

 

[GiggleGirl]

i voted Obama today. YAAYYY.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

Because many of the principles and steps in Obama's plan are the same that Hoover & FDR tried in the early 1930's to prevent a prolonged depression. Obama's plan is the New Deal on steroids. I do not believe the New Deal was beneficial, and likewise I do not believe Obama's plan is the right way to go.

 

[extra]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: T2T III
Scared? Hell yeah, I'm scared. :frown:

What exactly are you scared of? Just trying to gain some insight.

Several reasons:

1) More smaller business will either fail due to tax increases, or they'll have to curb the hiring of employees - and may even lay more of them off.

2) People who are not currently paying taxes, but will receive "Demfare" checks which will be disguised as tax credits. This will weaken the ability and desire for one to further advance themself.

Do people really think this way or is this a troll (or sarcastic) post. Small business right now would be doing badly even if they had a 0% tax rate, because the economy is in the shitter and people don't have extra income to buy non essential goods at the moment. A return to the 90's level of taxation isn't going to shut down any businesses, large or small. And a relatively small tax "rebate" (you know, sorta like what bush did) isn't going to do ANYTHING in regards to whether people want to work or not. Really makes me angry when people imply that well, we shouldn't help anyone, because it might make them not want to work as hard!

"1) Legalization of marijuana and recreational drugs.

2) Give those already leeching off the Government via public assistance more Demfare.

3) Regulating the rules on Wall Street to the point that Ex-Lax won't get the system un-clogged.
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1. Oh noez, drugs are badddd. Unless it's alcohol, caffeine, or tobacco. We should continue the drug war, because it's working. Legalize and tax everything already. Honestly, I don't know a single person who would go buy meth if it were decriminalized. The people that want to do drugs ALREADY DO, at least with it legal YOU COULD TAX THEM SO THEY'D PAY FOR THE PROBLEMS THEY CREATE. You know, the fiscally responsible thing to do.

2. Uhhhhhhhh..... by "those already leaching" you're talking about some big businesses right? If not you might want to move your calendar and make sure it's not set to like, the 1960's. Just gotta laugh when you see a comment like this. Billions for a bank that behaved stupidly==A OK. $500 for a hard working average american with tons of credit card debt who works hard 5 days a week. Say someone like me, who put in their 8 hours day in, day out, get up at 6am everyday, love their job, strive to better ourselves and the company we work for====OMG COMMUNISM--BURN THEM!

3. No argument here, the deregulation that has been working so well should continue. 100%!!!

Seriously, wtf? lol

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: extra
Do people really think this way or is this a troll (or sarcastic) post. Small business right now would be doing badly even if they had a 0% tax rate, because the economy is in the shitter and people don't have extra income to buy non essential goods at the moment.

0% taxes would do a couple thing

1) it gives the business more room to expand, higher more people, raise salaries, lower prices.

2) it puts our businesses on a more even level with foreign competition who pay near no taxes.