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How much will you save when Bernie Sanders' healthcare plan is implemented?

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flexy said:
And some things might not work "properly" in some EU nations, but I don't think health care is among those things. This works equally well from my experience, no matter whether Germany, Italy, Spain etc.
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how do you quantify "work well" though, as like you said opinions differ...in each of those countries healthcare is very different from what we expect here in the states.

Single payer will mean major changes for many, no more telling the doctor you want a specific test, no more demanding that you get the branded drug because it is more effective for your condition, it will be more of a you get what you get situation.

I rarely go to the doctor so no big loss for me, but there are plenty of folks who I know that are very much opposed to any change which might mean sacrifice on their part when it comes to options or care.
 
bozack said:
wouldn't that be nice....my wife opted out of her companies plan and guess what, no increase to her, makes the same as if she opted for the company insurance...my plan just had some slightly better benefits.

those that think companies are going to "refund" workers the difference are living in a land with pink flying unicorns.

From what I gather with Berniecare, I will be making the same money as I am now, and will either have worse coverage and a slight increase in fees or worse coverage and a massive increase in fees depending on what you consider your healthcare costs.
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Guess who is bad at negotiating...
 
It says I'll save 16k if I include my employer's contribution (I think that's bullshit, BTW). This thread again highlights the impossibility of having a reasoned discussion about health care and health insurance costs when so many of the participants have no idea how much their current plans actually cost.
 
IronWing said:
It says I'll save 16k if I include my employer's contribution (I think that's bullshit, BTW). This thread again highlights the impossibility of having a reasoned discussion about health care and health insurance costs when so many of the participants have no idea how much their current plans actually cost.
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That is definitely true. I doubt most people are aware of what their employer actually pays for their insurance. My union occasionally sends out a letter with the current state of my healthcare, so I know mine is a tiny bit under $1200 a month. My contribution is $0.
 
Pretty much dead center as in no loss, no gain for me.

The problem is that this is probably only related to the cost of taxation, what about paying for the actual healthcare? Co-pays, 90% coverage, etc...
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Pretty much dead center as in no loss, no gain for me.

The problem is that this is probably only related to the cost of taxation, what about paying for the actual healthcare? Co-pays, 90% coverage, etc...
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Since you obviously haven't read much on the proposal here are the highlights:

"As a patient, all you need to do is go to the doctor and show your insurance card. Bernie’s plan means no more copays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges."

For some of the other people: A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers. So your employer will still be forced to cover some of the costs (but will be much less for some who cover 100% of the health plan costs).
 
Who knows what the real cost of this will be since he's just trying to get elected. It's too bad that there isn't more follow up when it comes to making promises, like if you advertise something like this and mislead people about it, there should be a penalty of some sort.
 
MixMasterTang said:
Since you obviously haven't read much on the proposal here are the highlights:

"As a patient, all you need to do is go to the doctor and show your insurance card. Bernie’s plan means no more copays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges."

For some of the other people: A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers. So your employer will still be forced to cover some of the costs (but will be much less for some who cover 100% of the health plan costs).
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Sanders is just a liar on the costs of his plan

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10858644/bernie-sanders-kenneth-thorpe-single-payer

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/21/10808742/medicare-sanders-single-payer
 
Those are working on the assumption that there we will be no or minimal cost saving and that the current healthcare spending in the US is sustainable... (hint it's not)

It is also disingenuous stating there will be an addition 20% tax given healthcare currently costs the US 17.5% of its GDP and that's already with medicare and medicaid tossed in.
 
michal1980 said:
Sanders is just a liar on the costs of his plan

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10858644/bernie-sanders-kenneth-thorpe-single-payer

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/21/10808742/medicare-sanders-single-payer
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"single-payer at a national level would be significantly more expensive than the Sanders campaign believes, and would require workers to pay an additional 20 percent of their compensation in taxes. He also argues it would leave 71 percent of households with private insurance worse off once you take both tax increases and reduced health care expenditures into account"

#truth
 
MixMasterTang said:
Since you obviously haven't read much on the proposal here are the highlights:

"As a patient, all you need to do is go to the doctor and show your insurance card. Bernie’s plan means no more copays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges."

For some of the other people: A 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers. So your employer will still be forced to cover some of the costs (but will be much less for some who cover 100% of the health plan costs).
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Mhmm... So the $700+ prescription that I take every month will require no co-pay? So medicare will foot the bill entirely from my tax? Yahoo! Need to get onboard this gravy train. Shit, I need to get all unhealthy in general and be a diabetic for some real expensive stuff too for someone else to foot the bill!
 
Never mind that since the Government can't pay either, it just goes to increase our national debt. Last I heard we all, every man and woman and child, have already accrued $60,000 in National Debt.

With "free" health care, our debt will only go up.

-John
 
bozack said:
Negotiating what? she already had the job, was already getting paid...its either deal with it or quit. But whatever, guess having more unemployed is the new "better"
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Hint, you can negotiate pay at a place you are already working at...
 
bozack said:
"single-payer at a national level would be significantly more expensive than the Sanders campaign believes, and would require workers to pay an additional 20 percent of their compensation in taxes. He also argues it would leave 71 percent of households with private insurance worse off once you take both tax increases and reduced health care expenditures into account"

#truth
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I don't think it will shake out like that. I think we'll go like other nations with single payer - drastically cut services. We do a lot of tests that other nations don't do. Many of those tests are just to catch a handful of people who will have problems - a blood clot in the brain, say, after a fall. Or an MRI on a sprained joint. For most people, cutting those tests will have no effect. For those few - well, sucks to be you, pal. At least it's "free".
 
Guess they don't even have to sue in a Socialist/Communist system. As miserable as they are, everyone else is no less miserable.

Except for party members, of course.

-John
 
according to the website i'd say $4500. not sure how that works out compared to the rest of you who are apparently getting shafted.

and this is for a single guy doing relatively well i'd say.
 
$2200 additional costs. However that doesnt include the fact my employer wont be paying for my medical anymore at that rate. This can be negotiated as salary.
 
Zorkorist said:
We do those tests to protect from lawsuits, not for health care.

But people are going to sue anyway.

-John
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To an extent, yes. But the level of testing isn't hugely different depending on the level of protection against malpractice suites, state by state, so it's also driven by our expectation of the very best care since someone else is usually paying the bill.

Fenixgoon said:
according to the website i'd say $4500. not sure how that works out compared to the rest of you who are apparently getting shafted.

and this is for a single guy doing relatively well i'd say.
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And if you believe that, you'll certainly want to stay tuned for Buckshot's pixie dust calculator. I've a hunch you'll make out pretty good there too.
 
Matthiasa said:
Hint, you can negotiate pay at a place you are already working at...
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You're an idiot....you can try to negotiate pay but if you fail and they say no then you deal with it or quit and in her field she has few options.

Get a clue and come back
 
werepossum said:
I don't think it will shake out like that. I think we'll go like other nations with single payer - drastically cut services. We do a lot of tests that other nations don't do. Many of those tests are just to catch a handful of people who will have problems - a blood clot in the brain, say, after a fall. Or an MRI on a sprained joint. For most people, cutting those tests will have no effect. For those few - well, sucks to be you, pal. At least it's "free".
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so I don't think berniecare will ever pass, it is a bit of political bullshittery to try and get elected, was hard enough for them to pass obamacare, can't imagine decimating a few industries for single payer will go over well.

But I also can't see folks settling for less care, the few that may benefit from those tests will be the vocal minority, I have worked with a number of folks who have dealt with chronic illnesses and they aren't going to stand for less than what they have now from a services standpoint.

If we do go that path expect plenty of folks to buy insurance on top of the free insurance, which will be yet another penalty to the middle class.
 
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