how much will ivy bridge cost?

[VirtualLarry]

From 2004-2008 mainstreme cpus were 450-650 bucks.its wasnt until the economy going down hill in late 2007 where companies started droping there prices.

When amd was ahead of intel in market share in 2004 it was selling its fx chips for 1000+ on newegg.

Todays cheap prices are do to a weak world economy and ni one wiuld buy a 700 dollar ivy bridge if intel would price it so.i mean look at this very thread where some are complaining that a 225 cpu that packs as much performance as a super computer back in the day is expensive.

I agree, the economy could be a factor as well.

I paid 500+ for my q6600 not to long ago and prices have been droping since.

Ohh and i was dialing bulitin boards with a 9600 modem in the 6th grade on my 386 25mhz pc

I was dialing BBSes with my 300baud "Modem Pak" on my CoCo 2.

Back then, "RAM upgrades" required SOLDERING.

 

[IntelUser2000]

this was taken right from intels anual stock press with net earnings up to 2003.You can see how hard AMD hit intel from 2001-2003

Actually, the real reason was because the IT bubble popped. Greatest marketshare for AMD was in the Athlon 64 days, when US retail desktop sales were over 50%. The worst for Intel vs AMD was in 2003-2006, at the turn of the millenium it was pretty close for both and AMD had maybe 6 months lead, Northwood took it back in 2002-2003.

Todays cheap prices are do to a weak world economy and ni one wiuld buy a 700 dollar ivy bridge if intel would price it so.

Three reasons:

1. Economy of scale, aka Volume. Greater volume = less prices
2. PC market wasn't saturated back then, not even in developed countries.
3. Literally everyone needed a faster PC.

The last 2 reasons meant that it was worth it for a first-time buyer to get the best they can afford. It also meant that growth was fast enough that you can price it higher and still get away with it.

 

[philipma1957]

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The pc market sucks right now and pretty soon we wont even have pc's and everyone will be on a arm cell or arm tablet.

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i hope you are wrong

I have almost no need for the mobility offered by cells and tablets.

Reminds me of this joke;
why watch a movie on an iPhone when you can see it on a big screen like my iPad

 

[TidusZ]

Yeah, I hate the way things are going with less electricity and smaller etc... Give me faster, same or more electricity, bigger and better. I have never owned a smart phone or laptop and I don't ever plan to. My 2 pcs weigh about 60 pounds altogether though, and I'd be happier if they weighed twice as much and were 4x as fast.

Personally when I saw all the cell phone reviews on anandtech popping up a few years back I was surprised and disappointed. It makes sense I guess but despite really enjoying pcs, I couldn't care less about cellphones, tablets, laptops, etc.

 

[God Mode]

I want all my electronics smaller and lighter. Big and cumbersome equipment is only an anchor to most young people on the move. One day when I own my home and settle down instead of renting a different place every 1-2 years, my opinion might change.

 

[grkM3]

I want all my electronics smaller and lighter. Big and cumbersome equipment is only an anchor to most young people on the move. One day when I own my home and settle down instead of renting a different place every 1-2 years, my opinion might change.

The way its going you wont even be able to buy pc's in stores anymore.next time you walk into a best buy just take a glance of how many laptops they have on display and how many pc's.

Back in the day we brought our heavy ass computers to college and now its all laptops and tablets.my brother just bought a home and i asked him if he wants a fast computer and he said his wife would kill him if he put an ugle computer near the kitchen and she bought a mac book pro without even caring at all at its specs.

We should be happy people still make desktop boards and parts but i honestly dont see that lasting 3-5 more years.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The way its going you wont even be able to buy pc's in stores anymore.next time you walk into a best buy just take a glance of how many laptops they have on display and how many pc's.

Back in the day we brought our heavy ass computers to college and now its all laptops and tablets.my brother just bought a home and i asked him if he wants a fast computer and he said his wife would kill him if he put an ugle computer near the kitchen and she bought a mac book pro without even caring at all at its specs.

We should be happy people still make desktop boards and parts but i honestly dont see that lasting 3-5 more years.

This is all possibly true, and it certainly concerns me. I like desktop PCs, they are powerful, and versatile. I don't want to be stuck in a tablet world.

 

[PreferLinux]

No-one in their right mind will use a tablet or cellphone for any major content creation, ever. So PCs will always be available. Not to mention that tablets and cellphones are all essentially dependant on the internet, which requires servers. So I think the PC market is fairly safe, although the prices might increase significantly if the volume goes way down.

 

[grkM3]

No-one in their right mind will use a tablet or cellphone for any major content creation, ever. So PCs will always be available. Not to mention that tablets and cellphones are all essentially dependant on the internet, which requires servers. So I think the PC market is fairly safe, although the prices might increase significantly if the volume goes way down.

You missed the point.When we say PC we ment the huge tower sitting under your desk.Its on its way out my friend.

Just take a look at where intel is going with ivy. its main goal was to lower power and tdp for laptop use.If they kept the same tdp as sandy we would of had a way more powerfull cpu and that is not where intel is going with haswell either.

I say in 4 years 90% of the market will be ultrabooks and very powerfull tablets that can dock as a home computer.

haswell is supposed to have like a 21 day connected standby in laptops vs a 12-14 hour stanby we have now.

Im pretty sure someone can do content creation work on one of these Quad core ivy bridge laptop that weighs less than 3lbs with a very fast solid state drive.

 

[pmartin]

People posting on a cutting edge tech site who are afraid of new technology, smh.

 

[Ferzerp]

Desktop/Tower PCs aren't going anywhere any time soon.

The price could go up as alternate form factors eat in to the marketshare and have an effect on the economies of scale, but they are still necessary for the forseeable future.

Keep in mind though, they stuff we buy really is already a niche. The Dells of the world aren't really driving the output of the parts we buy (except cpu, etc). We don't use the same motherboards, and those motherboards share few components with the penny-pinching choices the pre-built behemoths make.

 

[Idontcare]

No-one in their right mind will use a tablet or cellphone for any major content creation, ever. So PCs will always be available. Not to mention that tablets and cellphones are all essentially dependant on the internet, which requires servers. So I think the PC market is fairly safe, although the prices might increase significantly if the volume goes way down.

Yeah, desktop PC's have a core function, just like big-iron servers and supercomputers, but the pricing structure of PC's has heavily benefited from the economies of mass production.

That desktop market volume will wane as demand shifts from desktops to laptops to tablets for the 90% of the consumer market that currently uses their desktop computers for nothing but internet apps (email, snapfish, facebook, skype) and will find the smaller more mobile form factors more to their liking while retaining "good enough" computing attributes.

The workstation-at-home segment will still exist, but the volumes are going to be tiny. Desktop case manufacturers, mobo makers, etc will feel the pain of the shrinking TAM in the decade to come. Companies like Apple that know how to maneuver in that changing market will make a mint.

Same as Intel did when they managed to convince big-iron server consumers that their "good enough" x86-based servers would be the thing to buy. And Intel knows this, Atom was started as an internal project probably a decade ago in anticipation of this eventuality.

 

[blckgrffn]

Yeah, desktop PC's have a core function, just like big-iron servers and supercomputers, but the pricing structure of PC's has heavily benefited from the economies of mass production.

That desktop market volume will wane as demand shifts from desktops to laptops to tablets for the 90% of the consumer market that currently uses their desktop computers for nothing but internet apps (email, snapfish, facebook, skype) and will find the smaller more mobile form factors more to their liking while retaining "good enough" computing attributes.

The workstation-at-home segment will still exist, but the volumes are going to be tiny. Desktop case manufacturers, mobo makers, etc will feel the pain of the shrinking TAM in the decade to come. Companies like Apple that know how to maneuver in that changing market will make a mint.

Same as Intel did when they managed to convince big-iron server consumers that their "good enough" x86-based servers would be the thing to buy. And Intel knows this, Atom was started as an internal project probably a decade ago in anticipation of this eventuality.

I am not trying to get into the politics of things, but our strong dollar helps keep even our niche market relatively affordable. If that were to change, we might find our "enthusiast" position even less tenable than it now is.

Also, how can we get the growing middle class in China to buy nice gaming PCs? Volume purchasing helps us all

From what I can tell, folks in APAC are not nearly so PC centric as we are Phones seem to be the more important information/recreation source... which seems to be the growing trend among the young folks here as well.

 

[Idontcare]

It is a foot-race between us, our individual ability to grow our disposable income at a pace that keeps up with our hobby expenses, and the rate of the growing expense that might be coming for those who remain in this hobby.

There will come a time though when desktop users are looked upon as we now look upon LP record aficionados. Niche, but a spendy niche.

 

[MaxPayne63]

I wouldn't care at all about the packaging of the CPU/storage/etc as long as I could have a large screen at my desk and a physical keyboard and mouse.

Docking a light notebook (w/ sufficiently powerful CPU) and some sort of device that has a GPU/sound card/more RAM/etc and connects to a large display and real input devices actually sounds pretty sweet though I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

 

[TidusZ]

I don't even like matx motherboards... I want a computer that takes up a full room like back in the good old days, before everything turned to hipster ipad bull. I don't want to feel good about my processor using only 77 watts, I want to feel good because I need to use an extension cord from upstairs and 2 power supplies to get my computer to work.. I want instant loadtimes, 120 fps at full resolution settings, I want to download 10 gb movies in less than 5 seconds, and then unrar it faster than I am able to find the folder to watch it.

I also want apple to go bankrupt (ideally by being sued) and for their sweat shop workers to get to work on real pc hardware instead of hip gadgets.

 

[SickBeast]

No-one in their right mind will use a tablet or cellphone for any major content creation, ever. So PCs will always be available. Not to mention that tablets and cellphones are all essentially dependant on the internet, which requires servers. So I think the PC market is fairly safe, although the prices might increase significantly if the volume goes way down.

That's not true at all. Pretty soon almost all computers sold will be tablets and phones. Desktop pcs are dying. They will continue to have niche markets like rendering but for 99% of people, a quad core arm cortex at 4ghz with 16gb of ram will be plenty. We will have tablets that powerful within a few years as well. All you will need is a bluetooth keyboard and you will have a powerhouse pc in the palm of your hand.

 

[grkM3]

That's not true at all. Pretty soon almost all computers sold will be tablets and phones. Desktop pcs are dying. They will continue to have niche markets like rendering but for 99% of people, a quad core arm cortex at 4ghz with 16gb of ram will be plenty. We will have tablets that powerful within a few years as well. All you will need is a bluetooth keyboard and you will have a powerhouse pc in the palm of your hand.

sad but so true...I remember the days of taking our desktops to dorm rooms lol.

Id imagine that there is maybe under 5% of students that bring a tower to school now vs a laptop.

 

[Markfw]

That's not true at all. Pretty soon almost all computers sold will be tablets and phones. Desktop pcs are dying. They will continue to have niche markets like rendering but for 99% of people, a quad core arm cortex at 4ghz with 16gb of ram will be plenty. We will have tablets that powerful within a few years as well. All you will need is a bluetooth keyboard and you will have a powerhouse pc in the palm of your hand.

I seriously disagree. There are far too many uses where a tablet just won't fit. Talk to me in 10 years, and I doubt more than 5% of the desktop market will drop. Also don't forget about business.

 

[mrcool63]

There are rumours that Intel might cut costs of each
Ivy CPU by about $20-80 or so, though that is unlikely IMO and I wouldn't bank on it.

Anyway, $225 for an Ivy 3570k + $175 for a decent Z77 mobo which beats every AMD CPU in everything on earth at stock, and gives 50% more performance when overclocked. I don't see how that is too much.

That is the maximum performance/$ we have ever seen in the history of computing.

What sort of stupid comment is that?? a 3570k beats everything from AMD at stock?? 50% more performance when overclocked?? what sort of crap are you trying to imply..

I agree it is faster and better, but just throwing out such BS and going about eulogizing does not help..

In my opinion the prices are slightly on the higher side and would love to get some lower prices.. intel generally prices their stuff on the higher side.. and this continues the trend

 

[aaksheytalwar]

What sort of stupid comment is that?? a 3570k beats everything from AMD at stock?? 50% more performance when overclocked?? what sort of crap are you trying to imply..

I agree it is faster and better, but just throwing out such BS and going about eulogizing does not help..

In my opinion the prices are slightly on the higher side and would love to get some lower prices.. intel generally prices their stuff on the higher side.. and this continues the trend

You don't know a word about computing if the above comment has been written by you. PERIOD

 

[SickBeast]

I seriously disagree. There are far too many uses where a tablet just won't fit. Talk to me in 10 years, and I doubt more than 5% of the desktop market will drop. Also don't forget about business.

95% of people only need a computer to do basic things like word an Excel.

The scientists of this world will continue to need desktop workstations but for the rest of us a basic tablet will be fine.

 

[Markfw]

95% of people only need a computer to do basic things like word an Excel.

The scientists of this world will continue to need desktop workstations but for the rest of us a basic tablet will be fine.

I don't know about 95%. but the business world alone has FAR more PC's at use, and use them for way more than Excel, and that overshadows all home use. Then there are gamers, people like my sone that do Autocad, at home, and at work.

I won't go on, but stand on my statement that total desktop use in 10 years will not go down by more then 5% or a little more.

 

[Idontcare]

I seriously disagree. There are far too many uses where a tablet just won't fit. Talk to me in 10 years, and I doubt more than 5% of the desktop market will drop. Also don't forget about business.

I was in the same mindset as you, Mark, until I saw this:

Now it obviously depends on the processing capabilities of your smartphone, but it won't take too many die shrinks before your smartphone is able to provide every bit of a "good enough" compute experience for 90% of home users and another 70% of business users and the notebook of 2020 becomes a docking station for your smartphone that can run everything except CAD and Photoshop.

This is what convergence will look like. You'll have a docking station at work, one at home, and you just carry your phone with you when you go to work or come home from work. (or school if you are a student)

My kids are 5 and 8. I doubt either one of them will even use a laptop in college. My generation's laptop will be like VHS tapes versus DVD's compared to their generation's convergence devices.

 

[SickBeast]

You don't know a word about computing if the above comment has been written by you. PERIOD

That's not a very nice way to make a point, even if you are correct in stating that amd's cpus are weak.