how much will ivy bridge cost?

[BD231]

I love it, many of you are saying the 2500k/Ivy bridge equivalent is overpriced, and yet there are still people dumb enough to defend bulldozer at $200 lol ... :thumbsup:

I've never spent more than $80 or $90 dollars on a CPU, not even on the one I have in my sig right now. There just hasn't been much of a reason to spend more in my time, but with Intel pulling away so drastically as of late you're left to scrounging around for older tech or *gasp* microcenter deals if you want a true value CPU, completely avoiding anything BD because it offers zero, and stuck with intel's premium if you want anything close to top end.

When you take into consideration AMD's current top end is no cheaper, and their 990FX boards are still expensive, it's not hard to see the market is just plain unbalanced right now. I don't think many people are willing to spend more than $100 for a dual core, and Intel clearly isn't ready to leave 4 core flagship CPU's behind for six cores because AMD has effectively killed any benefits advancement in mutli-core computing would have brought to the table.

Until AMD (or whatever market influence may come about) gives Intel a good reason to step up to six cores, we won't see Intel change their pricing scheme on x4's below $200. There's simply no logical reason, to move away from their x4's yet.

 

[Don Karnage]

Until AMD (or whatever market influence may come about) gives Intel a good reason to step up to six cores, we won't see Intel change their pricing scheme on x4's below $200. There's simply no logical reason, to move away from their x4's yet.

Forgetting about the 3930K? While it's not cheap at 599.99 it's a big step coming from 1366 where the 6 core EE's were 999.99

 

[God Mode]

Am I wrong or does ivybridge feel like a nehalem all over again while the real butter will be haswell/broadwell?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Am I wrong or does ivybridge feel like a nehalem all over again while the real butter will be haswell/broadwell?

Overall Ivy is disappointing or at best OK to me on the desktop. Little performance gain and not really that much power savings either. The mobile chip seems like more of an improvement with a better IGP and lower power usage. Still, I thought the power savings should be even better with a die shrink and the new transistor design, especially since clockspeeds are virtually unchanged.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Forgetting about the 3930K? While it's not cheap at 599.99 it's a big step coming from 1366 where the 6 core EE's were 999.99

The i7-970 and -980 were $600, too.

 

[Don Karnage]

The i7-970 and -980 were $600, too.

They had locked multipliers tho

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Am I wrong or does ivybridge feel like a nehalem all over again while the real butter will be haswell/broadwell?

What do you mean like Nehalem all over again? The i7-920 was amazing when it came out, and the i5-750 delivered great bang-for-buck.

 

[dma0991]

Am I wrong or does ivybridge feel like a nehalem all over again while the real butter will be haswell/broadwell?

Don't overlook the IGP improvement that IB has over SB. While many here might not even bother using it, we're looking at an improvement over the entire CPU range, even mobile CPUs stand to benefit from this improvement. While Haswell would definitely be better than IB, it can definitely be a game changer in the mobile space, especially with Ultrabooks.

 

[Arachnotronic]

They had locked multipliers tho

Yeah, but they also had adjustable bclks. A 3930 would be a hard sell @ $600 without an unlocked multi.

 

[Borealis7]

it just pisses me off that Z77 chipset will only serve IVB and die once Haswell is released.
i'm seriously considering getting a used SNB MoBo+CPU instead of investing more in a dead socket come April.

 

[exar333]

$225 would not have even bought a decent P4 back in the day or a X2 when that launched. It's not that much for a CPU, especially since those were purchased 10 years ago when $225 was worth more than today.

 

[cytg111]

$225 is still a lot for a cpu. I might just stick it out with my phenom ii x4.

wtf ?! ..225 .. alot, for a CPU, with no rival in its space ? .. it's a bargain.

 

[frostedflakes]

While I certainly agree that for the performance the 2500K/2600K or 3570K/3770K prices are ok compared to historical prices of mid to high end CPUs or Extremes, I also agree that they are expensive...

Let me explain: I tend to buy cheap CPUs and overclock them. I currently run an overclocked Pentium E5300 on a cheap Gigabyte G31 mobo. Total outlay about £90 for both. Since Intel stopped normal overclocking with Sandy Bridge there's nothing in my price range from Intel.

While AMD still allow normal overclocks my computer is mostly idle and only Lano or BD have decent idles but both of those are stop-gaps without upgrade paths. Ironically, even BD with it's poor load power usage idles well and my computer spends 80-90% of its time idling so the load usage wouldn't necessarily scare me off.)

The nice thing with Ivy Bridge is that it has a 133MHz bclk option, which makes the budget IB chips much more compelling IMO, means you should be able to overclock them 33% simply by raising bclk from 100 to 133 and maybe upping voltage a bit. For example, 133 bclk would allow you to take whatever the IB equivalent of the $125 i3-2120 is from 3.3GHz to 4.4GHz.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

The nice thing with Ivy Bridge is that it has a 133MHz bclk option, which makes the budget IB chips much more compelling IMO, means you should be able to overclock them 33% simply by raising bclk from 100 to 133 and maybe upping voltage a bit. For example, 133 bclk would allow you to take whatever the IB equivalent of the $125 i3-2120 is from 3.3GHz to 4.4GHz.

If that's actually true, then AMD is completely doomed... unless you can only adjust BCLK on P67 and Z68 and their replacements.

 

[frostedflakes]

Kind of what I was thinking/am afraid of, AMD's main advantage below $200 is their unlocked CPUs. i3 with 33% overclocking headroom would make them much more compelling in that price range. But like you I'm kind of skeptical if Intel will really make it that easy, they might do something to restrict this since i3 with such high overclockability probably has a lot of potential to cannibalize sales of more expensive CPUs like the 3750K. Perhaps 133 bclk will only be available on the higher end i5 and i7s.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

If intel allows 45 x 133 that means like 6 ghz for a slightly above average chip. Int that being a bit too optimistic, 5.5-6 I understand but 6+ for many chips on air cooling seems unlikely.

 

[Edgemeal]

CPU Price Flashack - Includes shipping (pricewatch.com)

[B]
[COLOR=Red]Jan 31 2002[/COLOR]
CPU Name                                Avg   Low   Entries[/B]
Athlon XP 2000                          $272  $261   10
Athlon XP 1900                          $196  $194   10
Athlon XP 1800                          $141  $137   10
Pentium 4 2.2GHz Sock 478               $554  $535   10
Pentium 4 2.0GHz Sock 478               $340  $334   10
Pentium 4 1.9GHz Sock 478               $241  $239   10
Pentium III 1.26GHz 512K                $260  $239   10
Pentium II 450                          $128  $79    7
Pentium II 400                          $68   $48    10

[B]
[COLOR=Red]Jan 31 2003[/COLOR]
CPU Name                                Avg   Low   Entries[/B]
Athlon XP 3000                          $632  $624   6
Athlon XP 2800                          $406  $399   6
Athlon XP 2700 333                      $322  $319   10
Pentium 4 3.06GHz                       $632  $627   10
Pentium 4 2.8GHz                        $371  $362   10
Pentium 4 2.6GHz                        $274  $261   10
Pentium III 1.4GHz                      $207  $201   10
Pentium III 1.26GHz 512K                $174  $165   10
Pentium III 1.2GHz                      $108  $104   10

[B]
[COLOR=Red]Dec 03 2004[/COLOR]
CPU Name                                Avg   Low   Entries[/B]
Athlon 64 FX 53                         $761  $699   12
Athlon 64 FX 51                         $759  $670   12
Athlon 64 3800                          $738  $697   10
Athlon 64 3700                          $716  $688   7
Athlon 64 3500                          $513  $484   9
Athlon XP 3200 400                      $138  $132   12
Athlon XP 3000 400                      $131  $126   11
Athlon XP 2800 333                      $87   $84    12
Pentium 4 3.4GHz Prescott               $458  $425   6
Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz 2MB Extreme     $1017 $986   10
Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz                 $402  $395   12
Pentium 4 3.2GHz Prescott               $282  $279   12
Pentium 4 3.2GHz 800MHz 2MB Extreme     $885  $840   12
Pentium 4 3.2GHz 800MHz                 $273  $266   12
Pentium 4 3.0GHz Prescott               $215  $208   12

 

[BD231]

Forgetting about the 3930K? While it's not cheap at 599.99 it's a big step coming from 1366 where the 6 core EE's were 999.99

No, you just didn't understand me. Six cores is not mainstream right now or it'd be priced as such. Four core cpu's are their flag ship parts and being that nothing really challenge's them there's no reason to change the pricing structure below $200.

 

[VirtualLarry]

CPU Price Flashack - Includes shipping (pricewatch.com)

This, totally. But remember what I said about volume.
Intel does more volume today, so they can afford to sell at lower (relative) prices. Which results in what are effectively the same market prices, even in the face of inflation.

If the PC market shrinks (Post-PC era, tablets and ARM taking over the consumer space, etc.), then expect Intel CPU prices to increase again.

 

[grkM3]

This, totally. But remember what I said about volume.
Intel does more volume today, so they can afford to sell at lower (relative) prices. Which results in what are effectively the same market prices, even in the face of inflation.

If the PC market shrinks (Post-PC era, tablets and ARM taking over the consumer space, etc.), then expect Intel CPU prices to increase again.

Im willing to wager that the market was just as big and if not bigger for intel back then.

There were no game systems out that could keep up with the pc video cards and there was no comp from any other cpu companies.

can you please post up one shred of data showing that there was no market back then?

there was no tablets or even cell phones back then and intel had its biggest monopoly back then.

They sold just as much and if not more volume back then then they do today.

The pc market sucks right now and pretty soon we wont even have pc's and everyone will be on a arm cell or arm tablet.

intels biggest money maker now is there server market and has always been that

Im pretty sure you are young and have no idea of the pc market rush that hit late 90s when the internet went viral and people started buying pcs like mad.

That grew right up threw the early 2000s and peaked around the atlhlon 64 days

 

[MaxPayne63]

Im willing to wager that the market was just as big and if not bigger for intel back then.

There were no game systems out that could keep up with the pc video cards and there was no comp from any other cpu companies.

can you please post up one shred of data showing that there was no market back then?

http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm

Nothing too surprising here but it's interesting to see the numbers.

Oh and just out of curiosity, would anyone have any real figures as to how many computers are built by OEMs vs DIY or the few mom and pop PC shops that still exist?

 

[tweakboy]

Just grab the 2500k equivlant cuz it will cost more.

 

[grkM3]

http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm

Nothing too surprising here but it's interesting to see the numbers.

Oh and just out of curiosity, would anyone have any real figures as to how many computers are built by OEMs vs DIY or the few mom and pop PC shops that still exist?

this was taken right from intels anual stock press with net earnings up to 2003.You can see how hard AMD hit intel from 2001-2003

 

[VirtualLarry]

Im willing to wager that the market was just as big and if not bigger for intel back then.

There were no game systems out that could keep up with the pc video cards and there was no comp from any other cpu companies.

What? Back in 2000, maybe 1990, there were many x86-compatible CPU companies. There certainly was competition. Remember the Socket 7 days?

And no, the market back then was not bigger. PC penetration into households was not bigger back then. Nowadays, EVERYONE has a PC. That wasn't true in 1990, back then only "techies" (or people that needed them for business) had PCs.

Im pretty sure you are young and have no idea of the pc market rush that hit late 90s when the internet went viral and people started buying pcs like mad.

That grew right up threw the early 2000s and peaked around the atlhlon 64 days

I'm probably older than you, and I probably was on the internet before you.

Edit: Ever have to do a true low-level format on a HD, and adjust the sector interleave? Using DEBUG to initiate the controller BIOS to do a format?

Edit: Btw, your own graph proves that, how do you think Intel grew their business, even while lowering the prices on their CPUs? Volume.

Edit: Here's some data, that backs me up:
http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm

 

[grkM3]

From 2004-2008 mainstreme cpus were 450-650 bucks.its wasnt until the economy going down hill in late 2007 where companies started droping there prices.

When amd was ahead of intel in market share in 2004 it was selling its fx chips for 1000+ on newegg.

Todays cheap prices are do to a weak world economy and ni one wiuld buy a 700 dollar ivy bridge if intel would price it so.i mean look at this very thread where some are complaining that a 225 cpu that packs as much performance as a super computer back in the day is expensive.

I paid 500+ for my q6600 not to long ago and prices have been droping since.

Ohh and i was dialing bulitin boards with a 9600 modem in the 6th grade on my 386 25mhz pc