Seconded. There's no way in hell they're going win. Their (the gop) actions over healthcare reform, Obama's education speech and their general criticism is empty and over the top.
They've got nothing.
Siddhartha
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The economy and unemployment will turn around in another six months.
The GOP, to satisfy their base, will have to choose a "we must impose our social values on everyone, cut taxes for the rich, federal government is evil, does not act too smart, and zenophobic" conservative to run for POTUS.
Since this individual can only win the POTUS if the Democrats implode, I see Mr Obama getting re-elected by a comfortable margin in 2012
The GOP, to satisfy their base, will have to choose a "we must impose our social values on everyone, cut taxes for the rich, federal government is evil, does not act too smart, and zenophobic" conservative to run for POTUS.
Since this individual can only win the POTUS if the Democrats implode, I see Mr Obama getting re-elected by a comfortable margin in 2012
Druidx
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Way to early to tell, we'll know more when we see how the mid-term elections start to take shape. He promised a lot, which will be stone around his neck if he fails to deliver. I can definately see several ways where his catch phrases of "Hope" and "Change" will be used against him. Much the same way Bush 41 "read my lips. no new taxes" was used so well against him.
MrMatt
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It's a myth that we have UHC in MA. It's conscripted healthcare basically. So people that couldn't afford it before are forced to get it. Otherwise there's huge fines and a possible witholding of your exemption on state taxes. Having said that, the state offers a bunch of programs, some through private insurers, for those without private healthcare. Some are relatively cheap, but again, if you couldn't afford it before, it's not like you suddenly could under this plan.
Yeah. You might almost say he's front-loading all the tough bills because people's attention will have shifted by 2012.
But one word: midterms
Way too early to tell. I think the economy will linger into 2011. Consumer and government debt is very scary. Banks are still failing and 400+ are in trouble. Midterms, I think a lot of dems will lose house seats, but as others have said there is no good republican candiate for pres. If the best republicans can do in 2012 is Sara Palin they are screwed, just like Kerry was an awful candidate for the dems in 2004.
And there are way too many yet to play out factors. China is buying a lot of gold and oil interests. Is this a prelude to dumping the dollar? Maybe..maybe not. Will we be out of Iraq Afghanistan by then? If so will it implode and the Taliban take over again in Afghanistan? Iraq could easily come under another Saddam type dictator by then and we could be back to where we started minus 1.5 trillion+ dollars.
And there are way too many yet to play out factors. China is buying a lot of gold and oil interests. Is this a prelude to dumping the dollar? Maybe..maybe not. Will we be out of Iraq Afghanistan by then? If so will it implode and the Taliban take over again in Afghanistan? Iraq could easily come under another Saddam type dictator by then and we could be back to where we started minus 1.5 trillion+ dollars.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
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You really think so?
The biggest issue is the economy and the American job market. If people are unhappy, they're liable to foolishly vote for an awful Republican candidate in the hopes of change. Perhaps if Obama succeeds at pushing us in the direction of national health care, the increasingly needy populace will feel somewhat satisfied. (Actually, compared to what other presidents have done recently, it would be a monumental accomplishment.)
Obama's problem is that the economy is going to kill him and he isn't going to do anything about it other than to slap on touchy-feely politically correct band-aids. Just like the Republicans, he won't dare try to address foreign outsourcing, foreign work visas (such as the "my job was bombed by the H-1B" and L-1), mass immigration (both legal and illegal), and population explosion. In fact, he favors illegal alien amnesty.
Siddhartha
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- Oct 17, 1999
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Pretty much the same people who are piling this crap on Mr Obama piled it on Mr and Ms Clinton.
Is there a positive and effective way for Mr Obama can deal with this crap. I am not advocating that get Nixonian but there has to be something he can do about the crap being put out by the GOP.
boomerang
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- Jun 19, 2000
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You've touched on some of Obama's problems. Here are more from my perspective.
His past. Although he did a very good job at minimizing his radical roots (he got elected after all), his past is right up front in our faces and the majority of Americans don't like it. Before you start poo-pooing that statement, look at the turnout for recent meetings. People who have sat silent and gone with the flow for ages are standing up, attending and getting loud.
Reverend Wright - you attend a Church led by a radical, U.S. hating preacher for 20 years and none of it rubbed off on you? Who's fooled by that?
Bill Ayers - nuff said. The man wrote a book with a dedication to Sirhan Sirhan. He's a radical for whom violence is a means to an end.
His Czars, to touch specifically on a few;
Van Jones - admitted communist, founder of numerous radical organizations, hates white folks. There is a thread about him here.
Mark Lloyd - Admires what Hugo Chavez has done in regards to the media.
John Holdren - his viewpoints are similar to those of Dr. Mengele. Forced abortions, controlling reproduction, etc.
Kass Sunstein - Trees, your dog, whatever, have a right to an attorney.
Ezekial Emanuel - age based valuation on lives.
Carol Browning - one of 14 leaders of Socialist International
These are just a few low points of this man. In addition, he has shown himself to be woefully inadequate for the job at hand. He still thinks he's campaigning. Until recently, he couldn't keep his mouth shut. His complete and utter failure to explain what he actually envisions for health care reform and how he intends to do it, after more attempts at it than I can count on both hands, are telling examples. Giving both Pelosi and Reid the power he did with their radical, and in the case of Pelosi, arguably psychotic viewpoints is telling.
Some of the things I was taught as a kid come to mind in regards to this man.
You're judged by the company you keep. Well, there it is. The man associates with too many people with extreme views. He paints himself as a moderate, but his roots are as radical as they get. The bloom is off the Rose. The man behind the curtain doesn't want to help us get to Kansas, he wants to reform the country into a social model that has already failed many nations.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Well kids, Obama is a duck. His true ideals have come to light since his inauguration. His real views are so far left of mainstream America that he's set himself up for complete failure.
2010 elections will go against the Dems and Obama will essentially be neutered. The majority of those in this country are slightly right of center. Polls show this to be true. It should come as no surprise that his ideals and methods are not being embraced. The American people have learned once again why the lesser of the two evils is preferable.
It didn't have to be this way.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
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I think Obama will win or lose based on what he actually does or doesn't do while in office. If he leads an economic recovery and succeeds in bringing Americans national health care, then he'll probably get reelected regardless of who he cavorted with in the past. Likewise, if the economy continues to stagnate or worsens and if he fails to make a positive change to the American health care system, then it's very possible that he could lose the next election regardless of who his friends are.
Of course, another 4 years worth of a Republican president would probably lead to a victory for the Democrats in 2016. Or maybe the economy will have deteriorated so badly at that point that Americans will be ready to kick both the Democrats and the Republicans out of Washington (or perhaps hang them from lamp posts up and down Pennsylvania Avenue) and install a third party.
Of course, another 4 years worth of a Republican president would probably lead to a victory for the Democrats in 2016. Or maybe the economy will have deteriorated so badly at that point that Americans will be ready to kick both the Democrats and the Republicans out of Washington (or perhaps hang them from lamp posts up and down Pennsylvania Avenue) and install a third party.
Pliablemoose
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- Oct 11, 1999
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Too soon to even guess, too many variables.
I would love the economy to turn around, but I have my doubts, and the US public has the attention span of a 7 year old with ADD...
I would love the economy to turn around, but I have my doubts, and the US public has the attention span of a 7 year old with ADD...
Hayabusa Rider
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Of course they will, midterm elections nearly always bring gains for the party without the presidency.
I like seeing the ODS and the quirks sitting and spinning themselves into a frenzy.
Payback is quite a bitch :laugh:
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Agreed. Romney is too used car salesman, and who else has a real chance?
With congress though, people are getting pretty bent, and will be willing to try another flavor.
it's 3 years away. a lot can change between now and the primaries, just ask Rudy. I do not think Romney will ever win the GOP nomination.
They have declined at a faster rate than the average from about June-August. After that they've been relatively stable at a few points over 50 (depending on who you ask). Rasmussen has consistently been below the Pollster.com average for job approval... something to keep in mind.
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