How much do you want to bet these people were black?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
When I read or hear about some child being sexually abused, I know that it almost always a white man doing it. The same with a serial killer, it's almost always a white man with the middle name Lee or Wayne. I wouldn't doubt if a few of these angry White Guys who always post in all these race threads are child molesters themselves. The odds are at least one or two are.

And why are *you* classifying people by color? You're just as bad as them.

It's statistics. Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white. It's not racist to use statistics.

A myth. Actually blacks are over represented as serial killers. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population but 21% of serial killers (as of 2004).

The rate of pedophilia is similar.

Even if what you say is true by sheer numbers it would stand to reason that most Serial Killers and Pedephiles are white.

 

[spacejamz]

Tony Blair doesn't seem to agree with Atheus...


If you dare to enter, here is the P&N thread on it...

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Skin colour is descriptive, like hair colour. It should be included, as should hair colour, if know.
Height, weight, hair colour, skin colour, eye colour, sex etc are all descriptive, and if you are looking for someone, you need the best description out there you can get, and that should include all known things about a suspect, including skin colour.
It's not seeing a particular race as "different", it's describing a suspect... or should be also not refer to people as blond/e, brunette, dark haired etc?

I know, but in an ideal world people wouldn't make any judgments about people from their skin color, just as they wouldn't from eye color.

 

[jdoggg12]

I have nothing against black individuals. Its (mostly poor) groups of them that I cannot stand. To clarify, i can't stand groups of ANY race being jackasses, but from what I have personally observed ***OUTSIDE OF THE MEDIA, IN REAL LIFE*** young blacks are usually more prone to being (often violent) jackasses than other cultures.

Tell me i'm blind, ignorant, etc. I don't care. I've seen it in the cities i've lived in, all 7 of them, and its quite obvious.

Society isn't raising them to be like that - at some point in time black parents have failed to teach their children respect for those around them.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
When I read or hear about some child being sexually abused, I know that it almost always a white man doing it. The same with a serial killer, it's almost always a white man with the middle name Lee or Wayne. I wouldn't doubt if a few of these angry White Guys who always post in all these race threads are child molesters themselves. The odds are at least one or two are.

And why are *you* classifying people by color? You're just as bad as them.

It's statistics. Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white. It's not racist to use statistics.

A myth. Actually blacks are over represented as serial killers. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population but 21% of serial killers (as of 2004).

The rate of pedophilia is similar.

Even if what you say is true by sheer numbers it would stand to reason that most Serial Killers and Pedephiles are white.

Well, yes. But the myth of no or low rates of black serial killers and pedophiles is just that, a myth. Statistically, blacks are more likely to become a serial killer than whites.

And why would you doubt the validity of my facts?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Tony Blair doesn't seem to agree with Atheus...

Atheus does not agree with Tony Blair on most things...

Those kids are not violent because they are black, they are violent because they are poor and badly brought up, and it just so happens a lot of poor people from bad families are black. It's historical - they were a new immigrant group at one point, immigrant groups tend to be poor, and it's difficult to break the cycle of poverty.

Take a black guy from a good family and he's only as likely to be violent as a white guy.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
When I read or hear about some child being sexually abused, I know that it almost always a white man doing it. The same with a serial killer, it's almost always a white man with the middle name Lee or Wayne. I wouldn't doubt if a few of these angry White Guys who always post in all these race threads are child molesters themselves. The odds are at least one or two are.

And why are *you* classifying people by color? You're just as bad as them.

It's statistics. Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white. It's not racist to use statistics.

A myth. Actually blacks are over represented as serial killers. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population but 21% of serial killers (as of 2004).

The rate of pedophilia is similar.

Even if what you say is true by sheer numbers it would stand to reason that most Serial Killers and Pedephiles are white.

Well, yes. But the myth of no or low rates of black serial killers and pedophiles is just that, a myth. Statistically, blacks are more likely to become a serial killer than whites.

And why would you doubt the validity of my facts?

Yeah I should know better as you are this Forums Mr "Know it all". All one has to do is read any thread where you post and it would be obvious that you are the end all of everything factual. You must be fun to hang with:roll:

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Tony Blair doesn't seem to agree with Atheus...

Atheus does not agree with Tony Blair on most things...

Those kids are not violent because they are black, they are violent because they are poor and badly brought up, and it just so happens a lot of poor people from bad families are black. It's historical - they were a new immigrant group at one point, immigrant groups tend to be poor, and it's difficult to break the cycle of poverty.

Take a black guy from a good family and he's only as likely to be violent as a white guy.

so how did asians wtf-pwn the US university system? 😛

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
When I read or hear about some child being sexually abused, I know that it almost always a white man doing it. The same with a serial killer, it's almost always a white man with the middle name Lee or Wayne. I wouldn't doubt if a few of these angry White Guys who always post in all these race threads are child molesters themselves. The odds are at least one or two are.

And why are *you* classifying people by color? You're just as bad as them.

It's statistics. Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white. It's not racist to use statistics.

A myth. Actually blacks are over represented as serial killers. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population but 21% of serial killers (as of 2004).

The rate of pedophilia is similar.

Even if what you say is true by sheer numbers it would stand to reason that most Serial Killers and Pedephiles are white.

Well, yes. But the myth of no or low rates of black serial killers and pedophiles is just that, a myth. Statistically, blacks are more likely to become a serial killer than whites.

And why would you doubt the validity of my facts?

Yeah I should know better as you are this Forums Mr "Know it all". All one has to do is read any thread where you post and it would be obvious that you are the end all of everything factual. You must be fun to hang with:roll:

You honestly think I'd just make up a stat? You don't think I would have looked up something like that at one time or another before posting it as fact?

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/TOConnor/428/428lect06.htm

Go ahead and insult me, Red. But one thing you cannot deny is that I always check my facts before posting them as such.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

You're doing it again.

TRIM THE DAMN QUOTES

- M4H

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused
Go ahead and insult me, Red. But one thing you cannot deny is that I always check my facts before posting them as such.

That's what makes you such a fun guy:laugh: Anyway I didn't doubt your "stats", I just stated the obvious.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Racism is indeed alive and well here in the states. Moreso here in the deep south. I hear it the most from my grandparents, but it's rubbed off more on the generations that came after them than in other parts of the country I believe.

There have been many many times that I have been in my grandfather's presence when someone was describing a crime that had occurred recently. His first question regarding the story is always "Were they white or black"?. If whoever committed the crime was white then the subject gets dropped fairly quickly, but if they were black then the conversation gets quite a bit more...interesting. It's not just him, many the older folks around here think like that, like they've been composing a mental tally of reasons why blacks should still be slaves or something.

The younger folks do show signs of getting away from this mentality, but even among them it's quite strong. I hear the "n" word on a daily basis, and it's used almost exclusively as a derogatory so don't tell me it's just "how they talk". Personally I can think of quite a few imaginative ways to insult someone based on who THEY are without having to bring their entire race into the conversation.

Just my 0.02.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused
Go ahead and insult me, Red. But one thing you cannot deny is that I always check my facts before posting them as such.

That's what makes you such a fun guy:laugh: Anyway I didn't doubt your "stats", I just stated the obvious.

Actually, in person, where I obviously don't have ready references I usually just nod my head and change the subject. 😛

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
When I read or hear about some child being sexually abused, I know that it almost always a white man doing it. The same with a serial killer, it's almost always a white man with the middle name Lee or Wayne. I wouldn't doubt if a few of these angry White Guys who always post in all these race threads are child molesters themselves. The odds are at least one or two are.

And why are *you* classifying people by color? You're just as bad as them.

It's statistics. Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white. It's not racist to use statistics.

A myth. Actually blacks are over represented as serial killers. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population but 21% of serial killers (as of 2004).

The rate of pedophilia is similar.

Even if what you say is true by sheer numbers it would stand to reason that most Serial Killers and Pedephiles are white.

Well, yes. But the myth of no or low rates of black serial killers and pedophiles is just that, a myth. Statistically, blacks are more likely to become a serial killer than whites.

And why would you doubt the validity of my facts?

the statement "Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white" is still true, regardless of how likely a small minority is to become a serial killer.

If there were a total of 100 blacks in the country, and all of them were serial killers, the rate of black serial killers would be 100%, and there would STILL be more white serial killers than black.

 

[Flyback]

If the shoe fits...

There is nothing racist in acknowledging statistics. Just don't read into it too far (ie that they are born that way). A lot of it is cultural. Turn on BET and you can't go 1 hour without seeing something to do with promoting violence (a show, music video, or otherwise). Some say that music and movies are just imitating life--that it just "represents" life in the ghetto and painting the true picture and shouldn't be ignored. I'd argue that it propagates the mentality and only exacerbates the situation. Media has the power to change, but few big name artists will release an album about going to college, learning finances, paying your bills and taking care of your kids. Its bad for business.

In Toronto most of the problems are not committed by blacks (in the African sense), but instead by Jamaicans. Unfortunately a lot of people just categorize them all together and don't see the real problem: Canada lets in too many people from poor nations. The result? Poor, uneducated people who grew up in crime infested areas are not likely to be very upstanding citizens (at least when compared to accepting someone from say, Sweden).

Most of the African black people* that I know are 2nd, 3rd, 4th+ generation and fit into the Canadian culture** quite well.


* Minus the Somalians..we have tons of those fresh from Africa.
** I don't believe in a unique Canadian culture as compared to USA, but I mean the status quo of working adults and families who send their kids to school and have dreams of college. (And who aren't gang members.)

 

[mrSHEiK124]

BET is the worst enemy of African Americans.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: daveymark


the statement "Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white" is still true, regardless of how likely a small minority is to become a serial killer.

If there were a total of 100 blacks in the country, and all of them were serial killers, the rate of black serial killers would be 100%, and there would STILL be more white serial killers than black.

Yes, if read correctly. The problem is, most people don't read it correctly and the myth that there are no or low rates of black serial killers and pedophiles persists.

 

[Jahee]

Originally posted by: newb111

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused
However, popular black culture in the US is self destructive and self deprecating.

You mean hip hop culture? That's not exclusively black, and not all (not even most) black people are into it. Or do you mean gun culture? As far as I can see that is mostly perpetuated by right wing whites.

In my computer science class all the black guys were into drinking at the pub, playing video games, etc - is that black culture?

And you must be high if you think descriptions of criminal suspects should not include what race they are.

Maybe when people get over the whole race thing, then yea color and accent and such would help identify suspects, but until then it just makes people think - 'blacks with guns again', or 'damn polish are all illegals', or some other rubbish.

I hate to break it to you, but "computer science" isn't the major of the typical African American. This is speaking from personal experience, not from any racial stereotyping.

Those guys in your class are not representative of "black culture"

And what is "the typical African American"?

 

[ppdes]

I remember seeing something about French riots on the news once and had no clue that it was mainly African immigrants and their descendants doing it until talking to a friend in France.

 

[aswedc]

This is a racial problem. No, thuggery, violence, and indifference to self improvement are not racial traits.

But, the black youth who choose that path are do so because they see other blacks following it. They embrace the view that the white man is trying to keep them down, and thus they don't even try to become responsible members of society. This crowd resisting the arrest is an example of that view.

Race can not be separated from this problem, as attacking its racial roots is the only way to arrive at a solution.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
When I read or hear about some child being sexually abused, I know that it almost always a white man doing it. The same with a serial killer, it's almost always a white man with the middle name Lee or Wayne. I wouldn't doubt if a few of these angry White Guys who always post in all these race threads are child molesters themselves. The odds are at least one or two are.

And why are *you* classifying people by color? You're just as bad as them.

It's statistics. Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white. It's not racist to use statistics.

A myth. Actually blacks are over represented as serial killers. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population but 21% of serial killers (as of 2004).

The rate of pedophilia is similar.

It suddenly became racist to use statistics.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Jahee

And what is "the typical African American"?

why don't you tell us?

 

[CKent]

Man ATOT never fails to justify obvious racism. I hope you're only thinking others buy your rationalizations, if you believe it yourselves the problem is deeper.

 

[Agentbolt]

Man ATOT never fails to justify obvious racism. I hope you're only thinking others buy your rationalizations, if you believe it yourselves the problem is deeper

And there's always the one or two reactionaries who jump into the thread to say "Wow, I can't believe you guys all agree on that, you're all awful people" without making any statement of fact/example to back it up. Bravo.

 

[SKORPI0]

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