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mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Black is, as Black does. Sounds corny, for sure.....but, they have stereo typed themselves.

You see every race, of immigrants coming to this country. You don't see any of them doing anything, really, but trying to work hard to achieve the American Dream, which most do. Many of them are just happy to be here. Many will wash dishes at first...but soon they learn, and find some success. It is not unusual to see an Asian, who just 5 years ago, arrived in this country with only a few hundred dollars in his / her pocket. Fast forward 5 years, and they own a profitable business, living in the same neighborhoods as you, sending their children to the same schools as you.

Why, do we have generations of Black people living here, who are still on welfare?

I just don't get it. :disgust:

I think you have gotten forgotten the Mafia, corrupt Irish public officials and elected officials, and Jewish gangsters.

And THAT what racism is.
 

Qacer

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I encountered this article, written by Jason Whitlock; a black journalist. It is written to respond to the Imus situation, but I believe he brings up a good point regarding the representation of black athletes on the cover of USA Today's sports page.

What I got from the article is the same philosophy that I've adapted to carry myself in a daily basis: carry yourself in a manner that you want others to perceive & treat you and act like you are representing a whole group.

In my opinion, Jason Whitlock has a point about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson pinpointing minor white-on-black incidents compared to black-on-black situations. In this case, he talks about how the two "leaders" are concentrating on a "small scale" incident like Imus rather than the portrayal of black athletes as criminals. USA Today's story about athletes and off-field crimes featured a criminal list composed mostly of black athletes.

When I think about this, the USA Today story is a subtle form of the media fueling racists thoughts. It is not the newspaper's fault, but it is the fault of ignorant individuals who choose to carry demeaning thoughts towards another group. However, on the same note, it may also be wise to carry a related article featuring role model athletes that show a good number of black players doing good.


 

Vonkhan

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Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
It's a BLACK neighbourhood, who were u expecting to come out and protest? :confused: Eskimos?

Tibetans actually.

Tibetians aren't real, u silly goose ... they're imaginary, just like unicorns and social security
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: OVerLoRDI
Originally posted by: Squisher
Even though racism is alive and well here in America I wonder sometimes if a minority's worst enemy isn't itself.

good point.

If that is true then minorities are actually perpetuating the racism and creating it in the younger generations. This is dangerous for reasons I don't think many realize. Racism prior to the Civil Rights movement was largely based on fear, misconceptions, and lack of integration but today it is based on interaction and experience.....which one do you think is harder to overcome?
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Sorry, but the crowd was a mix of Mongolians and Uzbekistanis.

Goddam Mongolians, why is it whenever chinaman build a wall, stupid Mongorians come arong and try knock it down?
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: toolboxolio
Didn't know ATOT was so biggot-friendly


good to know.

From what I can tell about some members of this forum is that they are white and asian guys who do not actually know or want to assoiciate with afro-americans. But they do have strong opinions about afro-americans. These members are in their twenties or younger. They have no or very little knowledge of the history of people of african ancestry in the US.

They do not consider themselves racist but they pretty much think that all afro-americans are lazy welfare abusers, criminals, race card playing, hip hop thugs, who because of allege wrongs done to them demand special rights. They really agree with the KKK when it comes to afro-americans.

Basically they sound like bigots to me.
 

Qacer

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Originally posted by: Vonkhan
It's a BLACK neighbourhood, who were u expecting to come out and protest? Eskimos?

When the article was first released, there was no mention about the neighborhood composition. It just simply stated that a crowd disrupted the police from arresting a murder suspect.
 

Qacer

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
From what I can tell about some members of this forum is that they are white and asian guys who do not actually know or want to assoiciate with afro-americans. But they do have strong opinions about afro-americans. These members are in their twenties or younger. They have no or very little knowledge of the history of people of african ancestry in the US.

They do not consider themselves racist but they pretty much think that all afro-americans are lazy welfare abusers, criminals, race card playing, hip hop thugs, who because of allege wrongs done to them demand special rights. They really agree with the KKK when it comes to afro-americans.

Basically they sound like bigots to me.

This comment reminds me of a TV advertisement that ran a few times. It was about a black kid shopping in a Chinese store. The store owner tells his grandson to keep an eye on the black kid. The grandson says something to his grandfather. Basically, he said something about how he should not judge people by their skin color. Then, the grandson greets the black kid. It turned out that they were friends.

In terms of Asians / Oriental-descendants being racists towards black people, I solely believe that one of the main factors for this is the media exposure of crimes committed by black people. Asians / Orientals do not have an abundance of black people in their native land, so really they do not have any reason to be racists towards blacks unless they are exposed to it by foreign media or maybe heard about it thru a friend of a friend who was randomly victimized in a crime and the perpetrator happened to be black.

When I first came to the US, I had no concept of racism. The only prejudicial concept I had was based on a person's looks (e.g. deformed face) and not the skin color. As a kid, this initial prejudicial concept was solely based on the ideas of monsters being scary looking and not about the person's personality. I have since gotten over this.

However, in my first year in the US, I was exposed to the new world of racism both from the media and personal experiences. As a first generation immigrant, it was really hard to understand the idea of equality when people surrounding you were perpetuating the idea that certain groups of people were bad. It didn't help either that the same group of people describe as being bad were acting the role in real life.

After growing up a little, I realized that this was a one-sided view, but my point is, that as a first-generation immigrant, this was the only view offered to me in school, at the basketball yard, at the mall, etc. This was the only view present when passing thru dilapidated neighborhoods on the way to a park, church, or my relatives' house.

At the same time, I would compare real-life experiences with other people close to me. These people struggle in the early part of their lives sometimes working two jobs. Heck, I had an uncle who worked two jobs at minimum pay and also went to school at night. He lived in a small apartment supporting two kids and a wife. But, somehow, he managed to stay sane and support his family. Now, he is doing well as an IT consultant.

It is these exposure that has shaped my view, and most likely, other first-generation immigrants who come to this country. Over the years, I have come to terms with my personal view of racism. I have learned to respect others and treated them the way I want them to treat me, but I must admit, this is a hard struggle for there are times when the race card is still an issue.

 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
When I read or hear about some child being sexually abused, I know that it almost always a white man doing it. The same with a serial killer, it's almost always a white man with the middle name Lee or Wayne. I wouldn't doubt if a few of these angry White Guys who always post in all these race threads are child molesters themselves. The odds are at least one or two are.

And why are *you* classifying people by color? You're just as bad as them.

It's statistics. Pedophiles and serial killers are predominantly white. It's not racist to use statistics.

A myth. Actually blacks are over represented as serial killers. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population but 21% of serial killers (as of 2004).

The rate of pedophilia is similar.

I guess you have to think of how the media defines a serial killer. If a white guys kills a dozen prostitutes, or kills several people in some sick ways, he's a serial killer. If a black gang banger kills 10 rival gang members over a few years, he'd wouldnt even be a blip on the national radar, and thus wouldnt acquire the label.

 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: Flyback
If the shoe fits...

There is nothing racist in acknowledging statistics. Just don't read into it too far (ie that they are born that way). A lot of it is cultural. Turn on BET and you can't go 1 hour without seeing something to do with promoting violence (a show, music video, or otherwise). Some say that music and movies are just imitating life--that it just "represents" life in the ghetto and painting the true picture and shouldn't be ignored. I'd argue that it propagates the mentality and only exacerbates the situation. Media has the power to change, but few big name artists will release an album about going to college, learning finances, paying your bills and taking care of your kids. Its bad for business.

In Toronto most of the problems are not committed by blacks (in the African sense), but instead by Jamaicans. Unfortunately a lot of people just categorize them all together and don't see the real problem: Canada lets in too many people from poor nations. The result? Poor, uneducated people who grew up in crime infested areas are not likely to be very upstanding citizens (at least when compared to accepting someone from say, Sweden).

Most of the African black people* that I know are 2nd, 3rd, 4th+ generation and fit into the Canadian culture** quite well.


* Minus the Somalians..we have tons of those fresh from Africa.
** I don't believe in a unique Canadian culture as compared to USA, but I mean the status quo of working adults and families who send their kids to school and have dreams of college. (And who aren't gang members.)

I concur, it's not a matter of race, but culture. Blacks I meet that are African immigrants are pretty much always respectful, intelligent, and well spoken.
 

SoulnoS

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Very interesting topic. I'm going to try an approach this in a nonchalant manner as to belie my black militant heart. Siddhartha might have very well hit the nail right on the head, but seeing as there is a lack of ?blacks? on these forums I figured I?d come and play token negro.

Are you all racist?

No just brainwashed. Your equation of black culture to hip hop makes this quite evident. Let?s take the example of Marylin Manson. He?s surely not the crowning jewel of white culture, but he does or did have a large white fan base. So why isn?t he considered your spokesman? But when you hear 50 cent rap, every word from his mouth is incite into the black man?s psyche. What?s even more peculiar is that 50?s fan based is quite mixed, a lot of white folks buying his albums. Now that?s not to say that hip hop didn?t start as a black movement, it did but that lineage has long ago died. The remnants exist in, Mos def, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique, Lil Wayne and Jean Grey. (One of these names does not belong, are you informed enough to realize which one?) The days of main stream Public Enemy rappers are no more. So what are the origins of this new stuff? White Execs with deep pockets and poor blacks who not only lack money, but cultural identity. What rap is now, can be compared to a black man selling crack to his own people. What we have to realize is, there?s no poppy fields in Harlem and not too many recording studios. Truthfully, I view 50cent and his contemporaries as modern Sambos and Mammies. Black face and wide grins, replace by Gold chains and rims, if you will. And who was it that put us on to steppn' and fetchn'?

What is black culture?

It doesn?t exist (See: stolen from our land). No, no, wait. Let me be careful, less you all accuse me of copping out by citing an event that few of you can even begin to imagine. I?m really just talking out of my own range though. Like one of you mentioned, I too wonder why we have generations of Black people living here, who are still on welfare? I mean it?s almost as if other races came here willingly in order to better their lives, while we act as though someone physically came and dragged our unruly nappy headed selves into boats and forced us. I don?t get it; you?d think we had endured 225 years of slavery, followed by 100 or so years of blatant oppression or something. It?s all an enigma to me, because now we live in a society where racism is far more subtle and still we don?t thrive? Penned into ghettos, surrounded by drugs, schooled by teachers who could care less? and still we do not thrive? *Throw's hands up*

What about the good blacks? ie well behaved, successful black folk, further ie Oprah.

Oprah is a credit to her race? traitor. What she has done for middle aged white women is simply astonishing. Lose that weight, gain self esteem, buy this book, etc. I love Oprah, while most folks don?t put any effort in to fixing the problem in black culture, she tries. When she?s on her jet and she passes over a Chicago slum, she looks out the window and says ?They need to try harder.? Bravo, bravo. My point is, of course you can see all the problems and possible solutions when you're leaps and bounds removed from them. But don?t tell me a crack baby isn?t trying hard enough, and that?s what we all are the equivalent of. Crack babies struggling to live and you want me to go become a lawer? I?ll give it to Oprah though; her success is of her own making. Unparallel persistence and determination are what placed her where she is and to that I tip my hat. But everyone isn?t that strong and they shouldn?t have to be. We live in a society where many people just fall into preassigned classes with little trouble. When many are born on the path to content middle class lives, why must we start in the woods. I?m a college student and I am the product of persistence, determination and being lucky enough to have a mother that had a vision for her son. I know I won?t be leaving college until I?m handed a PhD. I?ve set my sights on it and in time it will be mine, but I try my best to keep one hand at the backs of my people. Pushing, sometimes dragging them a long. You want to talk about the ?bad? blacks? Look no further then Oprah and those of her brood. They didn?t integrate, they assimilated. They said, ?I don?t have a culture and I don?t care enough about my people to help create one; mind if I just borrow yours?? And you all being good neighbors said, ?Jeb!!! Get my shotgun.? None the less, Uncle Tom and few of his kids ? ten or so ? came back later and stole some of your culture any how. They also took two chickens and a watermelon. Yum, yum indeed.

Is it wrong for you to hear riot and think ?black??

Nope, because I hear corruptor, oppressor, fascist, and I think ?white.?

P.S. I?d still sit across from anyone of you at a table and break bread, just putting my two cents into the juke box.
 

BlancoNino

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We all need to start inter-breeding so that we can make it so that everyone is mixed perfectly and then we wouldn't have races anymore.
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We all need to start inter-breeding so that we can make it so that everyone is mixed perfectly and then we wouldn't have races anymore.

Why would this be desirable?
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We all need to start inter-breeding so that we can make it so that everyone is mixed perfectly and then we wouldn't have races anymore.

Nah, we'd just have a bunch of marbled pattern people. ;)

 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: jhbball

Hello racist, nice to meet you.

These forums are amazing.

Glad to seem some have something so useful as calling others racist. Wow! That must have taken you hours of research to reach that conclusion.

Some people need to wake up and have a taste of reality. Blacks tends to chastise other blacks that want to get a higher education or "speak proper English". The ones that "act white" are harassed by other blacks.
 

sisq0kidd

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We all need to start inter-breeding so that we can make it so that everyone is mixed perfectly and then we wouldn't have races anymore.

Nah, we'd just have a bunch of marbled pattern people. ;)

I hate marbled people.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Squisher
Even though racism is alive and well here in America I wonder sometimes if a minority's worst enemy isn't itself.

No, it's Don Imus. I thought we established that.

Yup, it's Don Imus' fault.

http://drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

PLATINUM SELLING RAPPER TELLS '60 MINUTES': WOULDN'T HELP POLICE CATCH EVEN A SERIAL KILLER BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT HIS BUSINESS AND VIOLATE HIS 'CODE OF ETHICS'

Gotta love the black culture.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I guess you have to think of how the media defines a serial killer. If a white guys kills a dozen prostitutes, or kills several people in some sick ways, he's a serial killer. If a black gang banger kills 10 rival gang members over a few years, he'd wouldnt even be a blip on the national radar, and thus wouldnt acquire the label.
Is Sammy Gravano a serial killer? Why the double standard?

Originally posted by: SoulnoS
Very interesting topic. I'm going to try an approach this in a nonchalant manner as to belie my black militant heart. Siddhartha might have very well hit the nail right on the head, but seeing as there is a lack of ?blacks? on these forums I figured I?d come and play token negro.

Are you all racist?

No just brainwashed. Your equation of black culture to hip hop makes this quite evident. Let?s take the example of Marylin Manson. He?s surely not the crowning jewel of white culture, but he does or did have a large white fan base. So why isn?t he considered your spokesman? But when you hear 50 cent rap, every word from his mouth is incite into the black man?s psyche. What?s even more peculiar is that 50?s fan based is quite mixed, a lot of white folks buying his albums. Now that?s not to say that hip hop didn?t start as a black movement, it did but that lineage has long ago died. The remnants exist in, Mos def, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique, Lil Wayne and Jean Grey. (One of these names does not belong, are you informed enough to realize which one?) The days of main stream Public Enemy rappers are no more. So what are the origins of this new stuff? White Execs with deep pockets and poor blacks who not only lack money, but cultural identity. What rap is now, can be compared to a black man selling crack to his own people. What we have to realize is, there?s no poppy fields in Harlem and not too many recording studios. Truthfully, I view 50cent and his contemporaries as modern Sambos and Mammies. Black face and wide grins, replace by Gold chains and rims, if you will. And who was it that put us on to steppn' and fetchn'?

What is black culture?

It doesn?t exist (See: stolen from our land). No, no, wait. Let me be careful, less you all accuse me of copping out by citing an event that few of you can even begin to imagine. I?m really just talking out of my own range though. Like one of you mentioned, I too wonder why we have generations of Black people living here, who are still on welfare? I mean it?s almost as if other races came here willingly in order to better their lives, while we act as though someone physically came and dragged our unruly nappy headed selves into boats and forced us. I don?t get it; you?d think we had endured 225 years of slavery, followed by 100 or so years of blatant oppression or something. It?s all an enigma to me, because now we live in a society where racism is far more subtle and still we don?t thrive? Penned into ghettos, surrounded by drugs, schooled by teachers who could care less? and still we do not thrive? *Throw's hands up*

What about the good blacks? ie well behaved, successful black folk, further ie Oprah.

Oprah is a credit to her race? traitor. What she has done for middle aged white women is simply astonishing. Lose that weight, gain self esteem, buy this book, etc. I love Oprah, while most folks don?t put any effort in to fixing the problem in black culture, she tries. When she?s on her jet and she passes over a Chicago slum, she looks out the window and says ?They need to try harder.? Bravo, bravo. My point is, of course you can see all the problems and possible solutions when you're leaps and bounds removed from them. But don?t tell me a crack baby isn?t trying hard enough, and that?s what we all are the equivalent of. Crack babies struggling to live and you want me to go become a lawer? I?ll give it to Oprah though; her success is of her own making. Unparallel persistence and determination are what placed her where she is and to that I tip my hat. But everyone isn?t that strong and they shouldn?t have to be. We live in a society where many people just fall into preassigned classes with little trouble. When many are born on the path to content middle class lives, why must we start in the woods. I?m a college student and I am the product of persistence, determination and being lucky enough to have a mother that had a vision for her son. I know I won?t be leaving college until I?m handed a PhD. I?ve set my sights on it and in time it will be mine, but I try my best to keep one hand at the backs of my people. Pushing, sometimes dragging them a long. You want to talk about the ?bad? blacks? Look no further then Oprah and those of her brood. They didn?t integrate, they assimilated. They said, ?I don?t have a culture and I don?t care enough about my people to help create one; mind if I just borrow yours?? And you all being good neighbors said, ?Jeb!!! Get my shotgun.? None the less, Uncle Tom and few of his kids ? ten or so ? came back later and stole some of your culture any how. They also took two chickens and a watermelon. Yum, yum indeed.

Is it wrong for you to hear riot and think ?black??

Nope, because I hear corruptor, oppressor, fascist, and I think ?white.?

P.S. I?d still sit across from anyone of you at a table and break bread, just putting my two cents into the juke box.
Fantastic post, though I think you're being nice calling these people misguided or brainwashed. Racism directed mainly at blacks has been a theme at AT for as long as I can remember and there's no need to sugarcoat it. I stopped coming here for tech info years ago, the entertainment is what keeps me coming back :)
 

KK

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Originally posted by: SoulnoS
Very interesting topic. I'm going to try an approach this in a nonchalant manner as to belie my black militant heart. Siddhartha might have very well hit the nail right on the head, but seeing as there is a lack of ?blacks? on these forums I figured I?d come and play token negro.

Are you all racist?

No just brainwashed. Your equation of black culture to hip hop makes this quite evident. Let?s take the example of Marylin Manson. He?s surely not the crowning jewel of white culture, but he does or did have a large white fan base. So why isn?t he considered your spokesman? But when you hear 50 cent rap, every word from his mouth is incite into the black man?s psyche. What?s even more peculiar is that 50?s fan based is quite mixed, a lot of white folks buying his albums. Now that?s not to say that hip hop didn?t start as a black movement, it did but that lineage has long ago died. The remnants exist in, Mos def, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique, Lil Wayne and Jean Grey. (One of these names does not belong, are you informed enough to realize which one?) The days of main stream Public Enemy rappers are no more. So what are the origins of this new stuff? White Execs with deep pockets and poor blacks who not only lack money, but cultural identity. What rap is now, can be compared to a black man selling crack to his own people. What we have to realize is, there?s no poppy fields in Harlem and not too many recording studios. Truthfully, I view 50cent and his contemporaries as modern Sambos and Mammies. Black face and wide grins, replace by Gold chains and rims, if you will. And who was it that put us on to steppn' and fetchn'?

What is black culture?

It doesn?t exist (See: stolen from our land). No, no, wait. Let me be careful, less you all accuse me of copping out by citing an event that few of you can even begin to imagine. I?m really just talking out of my own range though. Like one of you mentioned, I too wonder why we have generations of Black people living here, who are still on welfare? I mean it?s almost as if other races came here willingly in order to better their lives, while we act as though someone physically came and dragged our unruly nappy headed selves into boats and forced us. I don?t get it; you?d think we had endured 225 years of slavery, followed by 100 or so years of blatant oppression or something. It?s all an enigma to me, because now we live in a society where racism is far more subtle and still we don?t thrive? Penned into ghettos, surrounded by drugs, schooled by teachers who could care less? and still we do not thrive? *Throw's hands up*

What about the good blacks? ie well behaved, successful black folk, further ie Oprah.

Oprah is a credit to her race? traitor. What she has done for middle aged white women is simply astonishing. Lose that weight, gain self esteem, buy this book, etc. I love Oprah, while most folks don?t put any effort in to fixing the problem in black culture, she tries. When she?s on her jet and she passes over a Chicago slum, she looks out the window and says ?They need to try harder.? Bravo, bravo. My point is, of course you can see all the problems and possible solutions when you're leaps and bounds removed from them. But don?t tell me a crack baby isn?t trying hard enough, and that?s what we all are the equivalent of. Crack babies struggling to live and you want me to go become a lawer? I?ll give it to Oprah though; her success is of her own making. Unparallel persistence and determination are what placed her where she is and to that I tip my hat. But everyone isn?t that strong and they shouldn?t have to be. We live in a society where many people just fall into preassigned classes with little trouble. When many are born on the path to content middle class lives, why must we start in the woods. I?m a college student and I am the product of persistence, determination and being lucky enough to have a mother that had a vision for her son. I know I won?t be leaving college until I?m handed a PhD. I?ve set my sights on it and in time it will be mine, but I try my best to keep one hand at the backs of my people. Pushing, sometimes dragging them a long. You want to talk about the ?bad? blacks? Look no further then Oprah and those of her brood. They didn?t integrate, they assimilated. They said, ?I don?t have a culture and I don?t care enough about my people to help create one; mind if I just borrow yours?? And you all being good neighbors said, ?Jeb!!! Get my shotgun.? None the less, Uncle Tom and few of his kids ? ten or so ? came back later and stole some of your culture any how. They also took two chickens and a watermelon. Yum, yum indeed.

Is it wrong for you to hear riot and think ?black??

Nope, because I hear corruptor, oppressor, fascist, and I think ?white.?

P.S. I?d still sit across from anyone of you at a table and break bread, just putting my two cents into the juke box.

Since you sound like a down to earth human being and black, I wonder what you think of folks like Al Sharpton?
 
S

SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We all need to start inter-breeding so that we can make it so that everyone is mixed perfectly and then we wouldn't have races anymore.

Why would this be desirable?

Why wouldn't it?