How much do you americans know about proper footy?

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: neilm

Originally posted by: BigJ

Baseball: So what if it was played by women? This is more of a game of skill then physical ability. But still a sport none-the-less.

Hehe!
Baseball a game of skill? What is so skillful about baseball... honestly. Learn to swing a bat, learn to catch a ball, learn to sprint a couple yards, so so skillful.

You can say the same thing about any sport. Soccer, for example...Soccer is just learning how to run (which most of the world can do) around and kick a little ball around. It's not like the ball is really hard or anything. It's pretty easy to kick. No skill at all once you think about it.

There was actually an SI poll of athletes in the US and it asked what was the hardest thing to do in professional sports. What was the answer? How to hit a MLB fastball.

In addition, if it's so easy - why does it often require years for even the most gifted players out of high school to even make a significant impact? Because it requires honing your skills to ridiculous levels.

I like baseball because it actually does require a certain skill - you don't have to be the best in physical shape (although most have to be in good shape) but you have to have that certain skill. The biggest and strongest guy is nothing in baseball without the skill, which a smaller and shorter player could have.

I'd say Volleyball takes a LOT more skill than Soccer (yes, I said SOCCER, what chu gonna do about it?)

it's football not soccer

WAAAAAAAAAA,

You dared to disagree with me. your views are DIFFERENT from mine. i'm going to go off in a corner and cry and pout.



WAAAAAAAAAA

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Sensitive?
In what way?
Apart from France & Germany, we dont claim anything in Military, Economic or otherwise.
As for cultural, thats not something you lose. European "ways" have been the same for centurys and will never change. You can`t lose Cultural.

wanna bet?? the romans lost culturally to the greeks.

Guess what contenant the greeks are from? Yes you guessed it, Europe!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Sensitive?
In what way?
Apart from France & Germany, we dont claim anything in Military, Economic or otherwise.
As for cultural, thats not something you lose. European "ways" have been the same for centurys and will never change. You can`t lose Cultural.

wanna bet?? the romans lost culturally to the greeks.

Guess what contenant the greeks are from? Yes you guessed it, Europe!

kudos for moral victories huh??

yes, the greeks (european) beat another european empire.

but the Europeans lost the cultural war to the Good ole US of A. need any evidence, just look at how many dollars Hollywood amasses vs movie industries of ALL the other countries put together.

nope, the good Ole US of A DOMINATES the cultural world.

 

[BoomAM]

Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.
The UK on the other hand watches all types of movies, and contributes significantly to the film industry as a whole.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.
The UK on the other hand watches all types of movies, and contributes significantly to the film industry as a whole.

it's amazing how you dodge.

first you claim there can be no cultural Loss or Victory. i show you a Clear example of a cultural Loss, where the Greeks defeated the romans culturally and they best that you can do is claim the greeks were european?? so what so were the romans.

and yes, like it or not, the "culture" of the US DOES dominate the world and MOVIES DO contribute to "culture".

the fact is, the world emulates the USofA and it pisses off the Europeans, who no longer have any position of influence.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.
The UK on the other hand watches all types of movies, and contributes significantly to the film industry as a whole.

it's amazing how you dodge.

first you claim there can be no cultural Loss or Victory. i show you a Clear example of a cultural Loss, where the Greeks defeated the romans culturally and they best that you can do is claim the greeks were european?? so what so were the romans.

and yes, like it or not, the "culture" of the US DOES dominate the world and MOVIES DO contribute to "culture".

the fact is, the world emulates the USofA and it pisses off the Europeans, who no longer have any position of influence.

yeehaaa


a new Europe<->USA flamefest


can I join in???

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.
The UK on the other hand watches all types of movies, and contributes significantly to the film industry as a whole.

it's amazing how you dodge.

first you claim there can be no cultural Loss or Victory. i show you a Clear example of a cultural Loss, where the Greeks defeated the romans culturally and they best that you can do is claim the greeks were european?? so what so were the romans.

and yes, like it or not, the "culture" of the US DOES dominate the world and MOVIES DO contribute to "culture".

the fact is, the world emulates the USofA and it pisses off the Europeans, who no longer have any position of influence.

yeehaaa


a new Europe<->USA flamefest


can I join in???

sure, wasn't that the intent of the OP all along?? to flame Americans because of our "Ignorance"??

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.

Right. Yea. Ok.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.

Right. Yea. Ok.

when the returns come in for movie grosses, don't we see as many dollars coming from the european market as from the american market??

sure you guys have more people so probably don't spend as much dollars per person as americans, but to say it's not popular is just well what's that word??

 

[Ynog]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Sensitive?
In what way?
Apart from France & Germany, we dont claim anything in Military, Economic or otherwise.
As for cultural, thats not something you lose. European "ways" have been the same for centurys and will never change. You can`t lose Cultural.

Just a note on the cultural comment. Culture does change. It continually evolves. While the
change is usually not fast, it does happen, and to everyone. You can lose culture as well. The
easiest example of this, is when rich countries move into poorer areas. Look at the cultural changes
in some of the vacation spots in Mexico. I don't think that was the way it was before the US and
other countries started vacationing there.
Also the United States is not the same country culturally, as it was in the 40's. Yes some things
people tend to not want to change, but given time, eventually it does.

I think one of the biggest examples of US culture invading the world, (and some might argue
that its not a good thing too) is fast food. You can go to almost any city in the US and find some
fast food place, and I am sure that if you go to an European city, it wouldn't be hard finding a
fast food joint, if you looked for it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.

Right. Yea. Ok.

when the returns come in for movie grosses, don't we see as many dollars coming from the european market as from the american market??

sure you guys have more people so probably don't spend as much dollars per person as americans, but to say it's not popular is just well what's that word??

It depends on the film. He can't tell me that nobody in the UK went to see any of the LOTR movies.
New Line is looking at nearly $3 Billion in worldwide boxoffice sales. About $1 Billion domestic.

Anyone remember the video from Japan where all those people dressed up like characters from the Matrix?

American film and music has greatly influenced the rest of the world.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Movies isnt cultural.
Cultural is things to do, natural objects that inspire people, ect;
Plus movies arnt that popular in many european countries, unless they have made them.
The UK on the other hand watches all types of movies, and contributes significantly to the film industry as a whole.

I'm European and I have no idea what you are talking about
movies are part of culture and there is no denying that (popular) american culture has greatly influenced the world

HOWEVER in the upcoming USA<->Europe flamefest I'm going to be on your side and I'm ready to kick some yankee butt

:evil:

 

[neilm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

I'd say Volleyball takes a LOT more skill than Soccer (yes, I said SOCCER, what chu gonna do about it?)

Cool. <<removed, thought this was a little harsh>>

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

WAAAAAAAAAA,

You dared to disagree with me. your views are DIFFERENT from mine. i'm going to go off in a corner and cry and pout.



WAAAAAAAAAA

All I basically said was that I didn't like baseball or american football, and thought it was pretty much skill less in comparsion to football. Then other people came in saying, WOOOOOT OMGers u AVE 2 LIEK DAT!!!!11OnE. Also, if you look you'll see it wasn't me that was disagreeing originally, they disagreed with me so your point is what, we are all whingers? GG.

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Please take your attitude elsewhere, as it's pretty obvious you came in here looking for a fight.

So you think i started this topic to start an arguement? Why would i do that. I merely asked you to answer a few questions, something that only a few of you have atempted. While the rest of you complained & whined.

So if you didn't create this thread to start an argument, then what was the point of it? You had to have some idea that most Americans don't watch much soccer and therefore wouldn't be able to answer many of the questions. Sure, soccer is "too boring" to watch for many Americans due to the lack of scoring, but I think the thing you're overlooking is that many Americans don't have the same opportunity to watch soccer that you do. European soccer is rarely televised in the United States. I have a hell of a time trying to catch a Champions League game on ESPN because they're usually either on when I'm in class at 1:00 pm or at like 3:00 am when I'm sleeping.

Just because Japan hosted the world cup doesn't mean anything.

It means something. The world cup is the most popular and mostly watched sporting event in the world. Japan has some great players, and their J-League is a joy to watch.

If hosting the World Cup means something, then why are you blasting Americans? Have you forgotten that the US hosted the World Cup in 1994? Not to mention, since we hosted the tournament, our national soccer team has improved dramatically, there are more Americans getting playing time overseas (see Tim Howard at Man U among others), and we have established our own professional league (even though it's not on the same level as the European leagues).

Originally posted by: FallenHero
I probably could school you, BoomAM on the field. I know soccer inside and out after playing it for 16 years, but that doesn't mean I HAVE to pay attention to some team, on another Continent, which I rarely see on television anyway. I never took interest in knowing stats, and who is where in any professional sport. I enjoy a good match on television or in person, but thats about it. I enjoy the game, not the "who is who" part. You can kiss my soccer playing american ass you arrogant fvck.

Real mature.
And i highly doubt you could "school me" on footy. Ive played sunday league for 9 seasons, and follow all transfers and goings on in the world of football.

Wow, you've played in a Sunday league for 9 seasons and know a lot about soccer. I've started for 2 top 10 state ranked high school teams in NY, a solid NCAA Division III team, along with about 2 or 3 indoor leagues every winter for 7 years. Does that make me better at soccer than anyone else? Maybe, maybe not. But certainly my knowledge of transfers and standings football has nothing to do with beating an opponent. That was a weak argument at best.

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
I don't like soccer. It's not fast paced enough.

Go and watch "La Liga", then come back with that comment.

We Americans don't have the same opportunity to watch European games as you do.

-Tom

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: neilm

Originally posted by: BigJ

Baseball: So what if it was played by women? This is more of a game of skill then physical ability. But still a sport none-the-less.

Hehe!
Baseball a game of skill? What is so skillful about baseball... honestly. Learn to swing a bat, learn to catch a ball, learn to sprint a couple yards, so so skillful.

actually hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. you come up 3 times in a game, probably see somewhere between 6 to 15 pitches, and if you get a hit once in all that you're close to leading the league.

 

[SinnerWolf]

for the record, baseball sucks. no exceptions or excuses.
secondly, anyone who refers to it as proper footy is way beyond metrosexuality.
and lastly, get off your ass and play sports instead of ANALyzing who has less of a life as a fan.

 

[neilm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: neilm

Originally posted by: BigJ

Baseball: So what if it was played by women? This is more of a game of skill then physical ability. But still a sport none-the-less.

Hehe!
Baseball a game of skill? What is so skillful about baseball... honestly. Learn to swing a bat, learn to catch a ball, learn to sprint a couple yards, so so skillful.

actually hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. you come up 3 times in a game, probably see somewhere between 6 to 15 pitches, and if you get a hit once in all that you're close to leading the league.

That's why I keep thinking it's a little bit down to "hit and hope" kind of swings, sure great players sense where about the ball will be sent and that is skill, but alot of the time it is luck surely.

But I guess you need skill to be a great, still think it's one of the dullest games ever to watch.

 

[dpm]

If this goes on any longer you'll have to take it to P&N

Anyway, I'm British, so naturally I'm a football fan, and I don't tend to pay much attention to sports that aren't that big in Europe - American Football, Basketball, Kabbadi etc,

I was suprised though, how much I enjoyed American football, when I watched it live. I was kinda brought up with the attitude that American football was for wussies who were scared of rugby, and had to wear big shoulder pads and diapers in case they fell over . but I was visiting UW and went to see a game, and it really was a hell of a spectacle. (still have my badgers tshirt). Then I went along to the next one, which was being televised, took almost 3 times as long to play and got really dull cos of all the breaks. And i almost got heatstroke (I'm a pasty-white english guy).

Still, I'd definately go see a game again, if I had a chance.

There is no excuse, however, for baseball, a 'sport' almost as dull as cricket.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: neilm

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

I'd say Volleyball takes a LOT more skill than Soccer (yes, I said SOCCER, what chu gonna do about it?)

Cool. <<removed, thought this was a little harsh>>

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

WAAAAAAAAAA,

You dared to disagree with me. your views are DIFFERENT from mine. i'm going to go off in a corner and cry and pout.



WAAAAAAAAAA

All I basically said was that I didn't like baseball or american football, and thought it was pretty much skill less in comparsion to football. Then other people came in saying, WOOOOOT OMGers u AVE 2 LIEK DAT!!!!11OnE. Also, if you look you'll see it wasn't me that was disagreeing originally, they disagreed with me so your point is what, we are all whingers? GG.

hehehehe

i wasn't responding to you, but hey if the shoe fits. . . .

you said baseball didnt' take much skill, it's just hitting, throwing and catching. on that same basis as been said before, how much skill does soccer take?? it's just running and kicking, or the ever popular european sports of field and track, exactly how much skill does it take to do the 100 yd dash??

OBVIOUSLY all those activities take skill and much determination, your casual dismissal of baseball borders on the same idiocy.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: neilm

That's why I keep thinking it's a little bit down to "hit and hope" kind of swings, sure great players sense where about the ball will be sent and that is skill, but alot of the time it is luck surely.

But I guess you need skill to be a great, still think it's one of the dullest games ever to watch.

luck would be you hitting off the rocket ever. great players can see the ball coming off the the pitcher's hand and know what pitch it should be, and get the bat really close. yes, there is some luck, but all sports involve some element of luck. wouldn't be very sporting if everything could be calculated beforehand.

and as for dull, association football is the dullest sport around. no wonder everyone is drunk in the stands and have to sing to entertain themselves. you go take a piss (all that beer running through, ya know) and miss one goal, well, there went the whole game.

and i don't know any other sport where people have to trample each other all the time.

 

[neilm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: neilm

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

I'd say Volleyball takes a LOT more skill than Soccer (yes, I said SOCCER, what chu gonna do about it?)

Cool. <<removed, thought this was a little harsh>>

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

WAAAAAAAAAA,

You dared to disagree with me. your views are DIFFERENT from mine. i'm going to go off in a corner and cry and pout.



WAAAAAAAAAA

All I basically said was that I didn't like baseball or american football, and thought it was pretty much skill less in comparsion to football. Then other people came in saying, WOOOOOT OMGers u AVE 2 LIEK DAT!!!!11OnE. Also, if you look you'll see it wasn't me that was disagreeing originally, they disagreed with me so your point is what, we are all whingers? GG.

hehehehe

i wasn't responding to you, but hey if the shoe fits. . . .

you said baseball didnt' take much skill, it's just hitting, throwing and catching. on that same basis as been said before, how much skill does soccer take?? it's just running and kicking, or the ever popular european sports of field and track, exactly how much skill does it take to do the 100 yd dash??

OBVIOUSLY all those activities take skill and much determination, your casual dismissal of baseball borders on the same idiocy.

Doh, sorry bout that. Here's for making an ass of myself :beer:

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: neilm

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: neilm

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

I'd say Volleyball takes a LOT more skill than Soccer (yes, I said SOCCER, what chu gonna do about it?)

Cool. <<removed, thought this was a little harsh>>

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
<etc>

WAAAAAAAAAA,

You dared to disagree with me. your views are DIFFERENT from mine. i'm going to go off in a corner and cry and pout.



WAAAAAAAAAA

All I basically said was that I didn't like baseball or american football, and thought it was pretty much skill less in comparsion to football. Then other people came in saying, WOOOOOT OMGers u AVE 2 LIEK DAT!!!!11OnE. Also, if you look you'll see it wasn't me that was disagreeing originally, they disagreed with me so your point is what, we are all whingers? GG.

hehehehe

i wasn't responding to you, but hey if the shoe fits. . . .

you said baseball didnt' take much skill, it's just hitting, throwing and catching. on that same basis as been said before, how much skill does soccer take?? it's just running and kicking, or the ever popular european sports of field and track, exactly how much skill does it take to do the 100 yd dash??

OBVIOUSLY all those activities take skill and much determination, your casual dismissal of baseball borders on the same idiocy.

Doh, sorry bout that. Here's for making an ass of myself :beer:

:beer:

hey, you call em like you see em.

that's cool.

 

[0roo0roo]

its more boring then watching baseball... i mean come on!!...

don't think a sport that promotes brain damage is worth supporting...

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Come on guys. Answer the questions.
The term "proper footy" is called so cos the whole world but the US calls Football, Football, the US calls Football Soccer, cos they have a knock off of Rugby under the name of Football...
Im getting the impression that my suspicions were correct, that the vast majoroty of US citizens dont have a single clue about Football, and have no idea how their country does in it.

I played soccer all during my growing years. I have a special place in my heart for soccer. But even when I was playing, I NEVER followed the world cup. I just didn't care. I personally do not get the same satisfaction from watching soccer as playing it. Seeing as football, baseball, hockey, and basketball get the vast majority of the air time in the States, it is hard to root for a soccer team. We have the MLS, but it's not like all of the Dallas Burn's games are televised. I try to follow them but it's hard to get information. I did use to follow the Sidekicks (indoor soccer) quite a bit, but that was because our city league gave us cheap tickets to games. If I was in Europe I am sure I would follow soccer more, but it's harder in the states when you don't get to see the teams play much (unless you pay for a satellite TV sports package, which I don't).

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

Originally posted by: GonzoCircus
I cannot answer any of your questions, but dont feel at all embarrassed out it. Soccer is, I hear, the most watch sport around the world, and that's just great, you people need some cheering up. You see, many of us live in America, and here there are different sports like football, basketball, and baseball. These sports are far superior to yours, just like our country. Here we spend most of our days lounging about our 4,000 square-foot floor homes, wondering what to invest in and telling the kids to put gas in the Porsh. No matter who we kill, we can say "we won!"

You bring a whole new meaning to arrogance there.
The sports are only superior in your eyes.
Your country is only superior in American eyes.

RabidMongoose.
My initial point was to see how how much the US knew about sports outside their borders, specifically soccer.
That point was changed, when you all decided to take insult to that.

Obviously the US wouldnt' know much about soccer...just like you wouldn't know much about baseball.