I commend you too good sir... it's nice to know there are people out there willing to take some responsibility for themselves.
It's not that I don't have a huge amount of pity for those in real hard times, and the toughest part is knowing the kids are paying for their parent's bad decisions. I'm sure you feel the same.. The federal government was formed for things like postal service and building roads though, and now we have millions of people depending on it just to live. I want the future of the US to be a community of proud, hard working, self-sufficient peoples. If we want big brother off our backs, time to stand up on our own two feet so they can't hop on for the ride.
Originally posted by: Tekime
I commend you too good sir... it's nice to know there are people out there willing to take some responsibility for themselves.
It's not that I don't have a huge amount of pity for those in real hard times, and the toughest part is knowing the kids are paying for their parent's bad decisions. I'm sure you feel the same.. The federal government was formed for things like postal service and building roads though, and now we have millions of people depending on it just to live. I want the future of the US to be a community of proud, hard working, self-sufficient peoples. If we want big brother off our backs, time to stand up on our own two feet so they can't hop on for the ride.
I absolutely agree that there are those that are truly in need to no fault of their own. For those people, you have churches and the United Way (another soapbox) that they can turn to. You and I sound like assholes when we say what we say but it has to be said.
That may be acceptable to ou for a Third World Country but should never be acceptable for right here in the U.S. unless of course you are one of the 50.9% perfectly happy and content in turning the U.S. into a Third World Country.
kranky
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I agree that the government ought to be the safety net of last resort - not the first place to turn. Having had personal experience with people who are seriously down and out, I can say that in my own experience about 1/4 of them are in real need, while the other 3/4 are unwilling to do everything they can.
The 25% could have everything they need if the government didn't have to also pay the other 75% for being lazy.
The unmotivated 75% have no shame in holding their hands out for everything they can get, using a list of excuses so long that I couldn't even remember them all. You'd think that they would be embarrassed that they leech off of working people, but they don't. They think that some magic takes place, and money appears. They do not understand that the money comes from the people who are out there working.
The excuses I have personally heard include:
- I don't have any way to get to work, but I don't want to move to where there is transportation because I like it here.
- Rehab didn't work because it was a crappy program so I relapsed.
- That job was too hard, so I quit.
- Those (government) programs are there for everyone, so why should I work when I can just take the money? People like you are the suckers.
- I get enough money from the government, I don't need to work.
- I need to stay home with my kids.
- I can't go to the (free) job training courses because it's in the evenings, and I get tired early.
- I quit the construction job because it was too cold working outside.
Well, that's enough of that.
I feel badly for the people who genuinely need help but if they could help themselves by ratting out the millions of freeloaders who take the money and don't qualify. But it's like a little club, where everyone just helps the others to load up on more and more free stuff from the government. One popular gimmick is when the welfare person goes door-to-door to verify household occupants, the residents go down the back alley shuttling different kids into the next home to be visited to inflate the number of people living in each home.
The 25% could have everything they need if the government didn't have to also pay the other 75% for being lazy.
The unmotivated 75% have no shame in holding their hands out for everything they can get, using a list of excuses so long that I couldn't even remember them all. You'd think that they would be embarrassed that they leech off of working people, but they don't. They think that some magic takes place, and money appears. They do not understand that the money comes from the people who are out there working.
The excuses I have personally heard include:
- I don't have any way to get to work, but I don't want to move to where there is transportation because I like it here.
- Rehab didn't work because it was a crappy program so I relapsed.
- That job was too hard, so I quit.
- Those (government) programs are there for everyone, so why should I work when I can just take the money? People like you are the suckers.
- I get enough money from the government, I don't need to work.
- I need to stay home with my kids.
- I can't go to the (free) job training courses because it's in the evenings, and I get tired early.
- I quit the construction job because it was too cold working outside.
Well, that's enough of that.
I feel badly for the people who genuinely need help but if they could help themselves by ratting out the millions of freeloaders who take the money and don't qualify. But it's like a little club, where everyone just helps the others to load up on more and more free stuff from the government. One popular gimmick is when the welfare person goes door-to-door to verify household occupants, the residents go down the back alley shuttling different kids into the next home to be visited to inflate the number of people living in each home.
TastesLikeChicken
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Yeah, Wal Mart really helps the poor by putting mom & pop stores out of business and replacing those jobs with minimum-wage jobs, that offer poor benefits, and making everyone a "manager" (e.g. "shipping manager" for the person who puts boxes on shelves in the back) so they can get away with even worse compensation.
if you raise minimum wage, more teens will be able to buy rims, stereos and neon lighting for their civics, escorts, and corrolas even faster. the issue of hunger has nothing to do with minimum wage. You can't make everybody work. Some people work real hard and struggle, but they struggle because of their standard of living. They want to live above their means.
Anybody can get a job, it's how you manage the money you make that counts. If you want to live in downtown NY in a high rent apartment, and you can't feed your kids, you got issues.
Anybody can get a job, it's how you manage the money you make that counts. If you want to live in downtown NY in a high rent apartment, and you can't feed your kids, you got issues.
Um, no. Inflation would ensue and interest rates would increase. You understand economics, then?
I give 10 percent or even 20 percent if they need it more then I do
it's not like I need the money anyway, I buy too much useless junk. I feel sorry for them, it isn't right to criticise someone who is poor.i hope you are joking because it sounds like you are because no one is happy being poor or homeless. you just contradicted yourself too.
I am taking 2nd year Economics in University (my arts electives). Anyways, accordering to my textbook this is what happens (I just finished studying this last night).
Assuming that minimum wage workers are less skilled workers then non minimum wage workers. If the price of minimum wage increases then this will cause a "firm to increase its employment of skilled labour from s1 to s2, simultaneously reducing its employment of unskilled labour from u1 to u2." This is simply just a substituion effect.
Say right now mimimum wage is $6 and you can hire a unskilled worker for that price. Or you can hire a skilled worker for $10. We'll assume that for the firm the unskilled worker is better "bang for your buck" so they hire them. Now minimum wage goes up to $8. Well now at this point for the firm has the choice of unskilled for $8 or skilled for $10. The skilled worker now has better "bang" so they move away from unskilled workers towards skilled workers. And the minimum wage workers become unemployed.
Dem's da same sums of beaches that go to church, have moral values, and voted for bush. Oh, the irony.
I had to go to a county office for something once and I still remember the two middle 20's parents there for some welfare thing. Two fat boozing etc parents with two kids in nothing but pampers, no shoes, nothing. Wow those are some tax dollars well spent. Those are your Kerry supporters, with no irony whatsoever.
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