how much do 'values' matter when you can't eat?

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: X-Man
because if you work hard enough, you have an opportunity to raise your social standing in life.

That used to be the case the majority of the time, sadly that is now the exception rather than the rule.

Why? Because you're a tard and got yourself fired?

Anybody can improve their standard of living in this country if they want to. Problem is that most people expect it to happen without any effort.

How dare you say that when people in the United States work two jobs and still struggle to make ends meet. Millions of americans work very hard and still live in poverty.

Bull. Sh1t.

If people who work two jobs can't make ends meet, it's generally because they don't handle their money properly. I've had low paying jobs before, and it's not easy but with a little common sense it can be done.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: earthman
Let's continue to perpetuate the myth that there is no poverty in America. Wouldn't want to make us look bad, would you?

No one claims that everyone has lots of money...just opportunity

Exactly...and one of the major points in the article from the OP is that so many Americans don't have the oppurtunity they're supposed to have if they work hard.

Really? Where in the article does he mention going back to school, getting additional training, or doing any sort of self-improvement to help one's economic viability?

 

[jai6638]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Amol
the poor in this country have it better that those in my native country, india

as another person said, they live like kings compared to other countries

This is most certainly true but the cost of living in India isn't the same as that of the US or Canada. You can still be without food sometimes even if you do all you can to put food on the table.

It happens like it or not.

and that happens in India too...... try as they might, they dont have money to "put food on the table".. poverty is poverty.. may it be in india or in a developed country like US.... imo there are more opportunities in the US to earn money than in India.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
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b0mberman is following me.

Correction: b0mbrman spends way too much time on p&n and appears to be following everybody

 

[glenn1]

11.2% of households struggle to feed themselves

Good. Maybe that will give them the push they need to better themselves, make better decisions, and actually become independent.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: glenn1

11.2% of households struggle to feed themselves

Good. Maybe that will give them the push they need to better themselves, make better decisions, and actually become independent.

will you read the article in the op please.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: X-Man
because if you work hard enough, you have an opportunity to raise your social standing in life.

That used to be the case the majority of the time, sadly that is now the exception rather than the rule.

Why? Because you're a tard and got yourself fired?

Anybody can improve their standard of living in this country if they want to. Problem is that most people expect it to happen without any effort.

How dare you say that when people in the United States work two jobs and still struggle to make ends meet. Millions of americans work very hard and still live in poverty.

And what is your "solution"?

CsG

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: X-Man
because if you work hard enough, you have an opportunity to raise your social standing in life.

That used to be the case the majority of the time, sadly that is now the exception rather than the rule.

Why? Because you're a tard and got yourself fired?

Anybody can improve their standard of living in this country if they want to. Problem is that most people expect it to happen without any effort.

How dare you say that when people in the United States work two jobs and still struggle to make ends meet. Millions of americans work very hard and still live in poverty.

And they can't make it because of their own poor financial decisions.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: X-Man
because if you work hard enough, you have an opportunity to raise your social standing in life.

That used to be the case the majority of the time, sadly that is now the exception rather than the rule.

Why? Because you're a tard and got yourself fired?

Anybody can improve their standard of living in this country if they want to. Problem is that most people expect it to happen without any effort.

How dare you say that when people in the United States work two jobs and still struggle to make ends meet. Millions of americans work very hard and still live in poverty.

And they can't make it because of their own poor financial decisions.

First of all, I'd like you to cite that.

Secondly, people who become janitors or day care workers should have the ability to have a child without living in poverty. If they can't, then is family values really what the united states is about? And you know what...the united states needs janitors and day care workers! Don't tell me they should 'improve' themselves, or make better financial decisions...its perfectly honorable to do those jobs, in fact those jobs are necessary for the sustainability of our society. The fact of the matter is, no matter how you crunch the numbers, there are poor people in this country that not only work hard, are frugal, and still struggle to eat. I think a high priority should be figuring out how to make sure they don't starve, especially their children.



ps: read the article

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: X-Man
because if you work hard enough, you have an opportunity to raise your social standing in life.

That used to be the case the majority of the time, sadly that is now the exception rather than the rule.

Why? Because you're a tard and got yourself fired?

Anybody can improve their standard of living in this country if they want to. Problem is that most people expect it to happen without any effort.

How dare you say that when people in the United States work two jobs and still struggle to make ends meet. Millions of americans work very hard and still live in poverty.

And what is your "solution"?

CsG

I wish I had one. That being said, I think it's more important for us to be arguing about hunger in the united states than gay marriage, or red vs. blue. Who cares about that crap when you can't eat?

Poverty is a real issue. Hunger is a real issue.

Maybe we can find a solution by talking about it.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
Secondly, people who become janitors or day care workers should have the ability to have a child without living in poverty. If they can't, then is family values really what the united states is about?

There's no should about it; They absolutely have the abiliity to have children as that's their own decision.

However, if suppporting themself and a child is outside of their means, then I would call it a poor decision.

Because it involves money, it would be a poor financial decision.

 

[BBond]

Yep. The poor shouldn't have children. Poor decision.

If those poor would just stop having kids maybe there wouldn't be so many of them.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
Don't tell me they should 'improve' themselves, or make better financial decisions...its perfectly honorable to do those jobs, in fact those jobs are necessary for the sustainability of our society.

Who ever claimed it wasn't an honorable thing to do so? We absolutely need janitors. However, for every available janitor spot available, there are many people with the skills necessary to fill the position. "Improving" oneself in this case would mean learning a skill that not as many others have.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: X-Man
because if you work hard enough, you have an opportunity to raise your social standing in life.

That used to be the case the majority of the time, sadly that is now the exception rather than the rule.

Why? Because you're a tard and got yourself fired?

Anybody can improve their standard of living in this country if they want to. Problem is that most people expect it to happen without any effort.

How dare you say that when people in the United States work two jobs and still struggle to make ends meet. Millions of americans work very hard and still live in poverty.

Bull. Sh1t.

If people who work two jobs can't make ends meet, it's generally because they don't handle their money properly. I've had low paying jobs before, and it's not easy but with a little common sense it can be done.

Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: cougarls88



Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

I supported myself and a wife on $7/hr (she didn't work at all) for quite a while after we got married. We could afford to eat. What's these people's fscking excuse?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: cougarls88
But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

Sorry, but I'm LW and it did affect me. Note the past tense because I was willing to work through it and past it.

Also, I doubt glenn1 is RW

And FWIW, I would love to see gays able to marry

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: X-Man
because if you work hard enough, you have an opportunity to raise your social standing in life.

That used to be the case the majority of the time, sadly that is now the exception rather than the rule.

Why? Because you're a tard and got yourself fired?

Anybody can improve their standard of living in this country if they want to. Problem is that most people expect it to happen without any effort.

Here's your well deserved

Try reading the article. They're talking about people working their collective a$$ses off at low paying jobs and it amounts to nothing more than being taken advantage of by their employers.

The effort is being made and the standard of living is going down. Of course the Religious Radical Right Numb nuts running the Country and on here are not affected and don' t see it happening.

 

[piasabird]

I guess those rich fatcats on wallstreet need to feed the poor better. I thought NY was one of the richest states and everyone made sacks full of money there. Just poking fun at New Yorkers.

Might try moving to the country and growing vegetables.

I wonder how often the writers in NYC ever climb down out of their ivory towers.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: cougarls88

Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Bull. Sh1t.

If people who work two jobs can't make ends meet, it's generally because they don't handle their money properly. I've had low paying jobs before, and it's not easy but with a little common sense it can be done.

Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

Someone needs lessons on ckie distribution. You tried to give one to a perfectly valid, reasonable post, then followed it up with a stupid, OT jab about same-sex marriage. for you!


Now, as far as your little bit of discussion goes, All I can say is that somehow, my wife, daughter, and I managed to get by while I went to college (academic scholarships, grants, student loans) and worked part-time (just above min. wage, ~20hrs week.) She also worked part-time (~35 hrs week in food service) and paid for daycare. We had a place to live (paid rent) and a vehicle (monthly payments.) We had electric, water, a TV (with cable!), and internet access. Did we eat steak twice a week? No. Did our daughter wear clothes from Baby Gap? No. Did I wear designer shoes or clothes? No. Did my wife? No, except the ones I bought her for Xmas. Was it hard to make ends meet? Yes. Was it possible? Yes.

And the point of this was not to showcase our amazing talent or abilities, only that it is quite easy to understand why some people believe the majority of the blame can be placed directly on the people responsible. Some of us have been there and seen that it is possible to survive on very little. It does require sacrifices and a lot of effort. It does require prioritization self-control. But it is possible.

Some of us are interested in actually discussing the issue, not simply playing the victim-card and throwing blame around on "elitist RW" boogiemen, mortgage companies, grocery stores, or whatever scapegoat you can conjure up to take the spotlight off the real issue. :roll:

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: cougarls88



Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

I supported myself and a wife on $7/hr (she didn't work at all) for quite a while after we got married. We could afford to eat. What's these people's fscking excuse?

Remember, the cost of living varies wildly throughout the country.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: cougarls88



Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

I supported myself and a wife on $7/hr (she didn't work at all) for quite a while after we got married. We could afford to eat. What's these people's fscking excuse?

Remember, the cost of living varies wildly throughout the country.

Greyhound Bus tickets and a large duffle bag are relatively cheap.


Or, to say it in another, more jackass, way:

One way bus ticket to just about anywhere in the US: $120
Large duffel bags in which to stuff all your possessions: $25
Being able to move to an area where your unskilled, minimum wage earnings can be stretched to their utmost limits: priceless

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: cougarls88



Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

I supported myself and a wife on $7/hr (she didn't work at all) for quite a while after we got married. We could afford to eat. What's these people's fscking excuse?

Remember, the cost of living varies wildly throughout the country.

Greyhound Bus tickets and a large duffle bag are relatively cheap.

Yes...lets move all the poor people to suburban ghettos....

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: cougarls88



Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

I supported myself and a wife on $7/hr (she didn't work at all) for quite a while after we got married. We could afford to eat. What's these people's fscking excuse?

Remember, the cost of living varies wildly throughout the country.

Greyhound Bus tickets and a large duffle bag are relatively cheap.

Yes...lets move all the poor people to suburban ghettos....

or even better....no poor people should be allowed within 100 miles of san francisco...

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: cougarls88



Do you even live on this planet? I've got a newsflash for you--2 minimum wage jobs (maybe a thousand a month after taxes) doesn't go far when at least half of it goes for shelter expenses and the supermarket gets most of the rest of it. Never mind money to get to those two jobs, nor to have a phone or lights.

But then again, it's the typical elitist RW BS that seems to hang over threads like these..."pfft...doesn't effect me, so who gives a sh!+" about "those people".

To look on the bright side "At least gays can't get married!!!" :roll:

I supported myself and a wife on $7/hr (she didn't work at all) for quite a while after we got married. We could afford to eat. What's these people's fscking excuse?

Remember, the cost of living varies wildly throughout the country.

Greyhound Bus tickets and a large duffle bag are relatively cheap.

Yes...lets move all the poor people to suburban ghettos....

or even better....no poor people should be allowed within 100 miles of san francisco...

and after they move, what are they going to eat when they are looking for a job?

 

[TravisT]

My grandfather, who lived through the depression, always said that a nice gentleman can become very dangerous when his kids are at home crying because they are hungry and there is no food in the house.

I believe it. It is human nature for men and women to protect their children and do whatever it takes to feed them and care for them. Even if that means robbing someone at gunpoint.