I'm asking for the definition they're giving of "struggle", because I know that it's possible, though never fun, to survive on very, very little money.
I'm asking for the definition they're giving of "struggle", because I know that it's possible, though never fun, to survive on very, very little money.
Transportation? Take the bus.
My ex-wife's father was a janitor. He spent wisely, saved when he could, and just built himself a nice home in Wisconsin to retire to on a pretty significant nest egg. When we bought our first house, he gave us $6K to help with the down payment. So again, I'd have to see how these people are living before I believe that they can't afford to eat.
It's becoming redundant, but could they not afford to eat because they didn't make enough money, or because they're unwise with the money they do have?
Define basic needs. Clothing is a need. Designer clothes are not. Food is a need. Eating like pigs is not. Shelter is a need. Every child having their own bedroom with their own TV is not.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
- Nov 29, 1999
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This is a quite interesting comment. I guess all the min-wagers will be losing their jobs according to your way of thinking. Damn those job providers. More importantly I certainly do not hold any grudge for the company paying me min-wage starting out. I've lived on min-wage it is difficult, but not impossible to better yourself in this society.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
- Nov 29, 1999
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And don't get me wrong, I'm not just against minimum wage increases. In fact, I think it's about time for another small increase - due to inflation and such. But I just don't believe that the answer to the poverty level in America can be addressed by a simple Federal policy that says "Give everyone more money."
I agree, it's not the simple solution to the poverty problem, but our Federal policy right now runs like "We can't afford it. Print more money." :laugh:
Where have you been? That's the New Proud FLL United States of America.
Either you are with us (Fat Rich and Happy) or against us (Poor SOB's struggling to serve the FLL's).
Enjoy
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
- Sep 12, 2004
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Yeah JacobJ. This is all new. Didn't know that poverty never existed and that the US was a bright, shining example of everything good and right in the world until Bush came along and drove us to the depths of despair and destruction?
Gawd Bush is such a jerk!
: Dean SCREAM;
/sarcasm
This is an over simplified answer to a very complex problem.
I don't agree with the tactic of attacking the victims of poverty. Especially when those victims are overwhelmingly children. Most Americans living in poverty don't pass up a meal for that 60" TV people here mention. They don't leave the fridge empty so their kids can play video games. They are working poor. Living on minimum wage trying to raise a family. I don't agree with those people here who suggest there be some sort of financial requrement that must be met to have children either. What ever happened to all that pro-life rhetoric? You want to save the children from abortion, but once they're here you blame them for being poor.
Make up your minds. It's as important to be pro-life after birth as it is before birth.
EXman
Lifer
- Jul 12, 2001
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:roll:
So then you couldn't afford to eat either
What I mean is that your $6 burger is now $9.50really that sounds like Amazon and Lexmark in my town two of the biggest employers they don't even employ their workers they are whored out temps or "placed" employees that have no retirement and crap or no insurance! And that is After Lexmark shipped most the jobs to Mexico!
Some of you are outright dumb. I have lived on the poverty line before and it's not fun when you can't afford to take the bus to get to work and have to fvcking walk 40min to your first job, 40min to your second job and 1h 15min back home in -45 degree C weather. It's not necessarily by choice.
You want to generalize and view everyone on the poverty level or bellow as some sort of lazy scum then let me ask you this. When are you going to hear the pop? You know. The sound of your head coming out of your ass.
You want to generalize and view everyone on the poverty level or bellow as some sort of lazy scum then let me ask you this. When are you going to hear the pop? You know. The sound of your head coming out of your ass.
Very, very few of us view people on or near the poverty line as lazy scum. I come from a mixed background, sharply mixed, of both wealthy and incredibly impoverished people, far lower than the poverty line. I will tell you that I take pride in my family and who they are; their material success in life has no meaning for me in how I value them. That extends to every person I meet, and I realize, after having gotten to know much of my extended family, that so much of life is circumstance, and only so much happens to us as a result of our own efforts.
Our actions, however, are within our control, and we control our purchasing and lifestyle decisions.
That was actually a decent post (for an illiterate conservative
)The great blessing and great curse of the corporation has, IMHO, always been the seperation of power between those who run the company (CEOs, managers, etc.) and those who own/profit from the company (shareholders).
On the one hand, it allows for specialization of resources (e.g. those who are good at spotting great investment opportunities may not necesssarilly be good at business administration) while on the other hand, it leads outsiders to see the business as a big, faceless blob and forget that there are actual people behind the business.
This also seems to apply to our government--largely seen by its citizens as angry trolls, greedily hoarding giant piles of money. We scream "The government should pay for this" or "The government should pay for that" all the while forgetting that we are the source of the government's funds and that any government spending comes out of all of our pockets.
XMan
Lifer
- Oct 9, 1999
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<shrug>
Fine with me. I would rather be poor in this country, than be a poor person in say, Africa, or Latin America. You've got blinders on if you don't think that this country is amazing.
I'm not saying we're perfect. But I am saying that things could be much worse.
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