How much did your paycheck go up from Trump's tax plan?

[Jhhnn]

Yes, people drive to work so if gas tax went up a few cents everyone would pay that. But the guy driving a car that gets good gas mileage, like a Prius, feels that less than the guy driving a 7 series. Do you think the guy driving the Prius makes more than the guy in the BMW? You guys normally cheer government pressure to move to greener ways. But this time it could be Trump and the GOP doing it, so its bad.

You ignore the marginal utility of money.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You ignore the marginal utility of money.

And excise taxes

 

[SlowSpyder]

You ignore the marginal utility of money.

I'll give you that the millionaire cares less than the guy making $40k about gas prices and how it affects his budget. But again, this is the type of thing that might push $40k-a-year guy to make a greener choice in his next vehicle, what if it even pushed that person to use public transportation or car pool? If Obama raised the gas tax under the guise of pushing people towards greener choices you'd be all for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

And excise taxes

The whole bit about Trump going green is preposterous, of course. If that were true they'd be interested in conservation rather than drill, baby, drill. They're not, of course-

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/trump-rolls-back-obama-era-fuel-economy-standards-n734256

The GOP is all about beating the cash out of the little guy, one way or another.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'll give you that the millionaire cares less than the guy making $40k about gas prices and how it affects his budget. But again, this is the type of thing that might push $40k-a-year guy to make a greener choice in his next vehicle, what if it even pushed that person to use public transportation or car pool? If Obama raised the gas tax under the guise of pushing people towards greener choices you'd be all for it.

Needs more straw.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'll give you that the millionaire cares less than the guy making $40k about gas prices and how it affects his budget. But again, this is the type of thing that might push $40k-a-year guy to make a greener choice in his next vehicle, what if it even pushed that person to use public transportation or car pool? If Obama raised the gas tax under the guise of pushing people towards greener choices you'd be all for it.

And Cons would be screaming about the Kenyan Muslim is turning America into a socialist regime.

Gas taxes should go to roads and infrastructure primarily, which is usually my complaint when it doesn't. Like it or not, it's not free.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The whole bit about Trump going green is preposterous, of course. If that were true they'd be interested in conservation rather than drill, baby, drill. They're not, of course-

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/trump-rolls-back-obama-era-fuel-economy-standards-n734256

The GOP is all about beating the cash out of the little guy, one way or another.

I agree. He doesn't give a shit about going green. It's all about money, for him and his pals, who coincidentally get appointed to run departments in our country

 

[Bitek]

His tweet reads more like someone being sarcastic. I don't think that was his intention.

Sarcasm mocks a person or idea.

Was he mocking the secretary for being low paid?
Was he mocking his own tax plan for doing Jack Shit for poors?

Or was he mocking himself for thinking he actually did something for the real workers, only to have an epiphany that it will likely further indebt them in short term through secondary effects, meanwhile forcing a long term funding crisis that will raise her future taxes and interest rates, lower services & infrastructure investments and slow national growth that will be passed to her children?

Or he's just an entitled career politician who never held a real job and has no idea how real people live?

 

[Jhhnn]

Conservatives really don't get it, at all. Tax cuts simply cannot restore the % of national income enjoyed by the lower 75% back in 1980. The math won't work. Cutting taxes at the top merely exacerbates the trend.

So we can accept an ever diminishing share of national income & more poverty/ near poverty or we can accept more of teh ebil soshulism with higher taxes at the top & greater redistribution.

 

[mect]

I think he sincerely thought that example would be adequate.

It just proves Pelosi correct.

And as I linked earlier, the GOP tax bill almost cut out a deduction for teachers spending money on items for school, which is necessary in most school districts now.

I would almost be willing to support a tax bill that eliminated deductions for teachers spending money on school items. Its totally inappropriate that there is such an expectation of this happening that we have a tax deduction for it. Its absolutely shameful that teachers are expected to do this. If the deduction was removed with increased funding for schools tied to it, funding that actually went to running the day to day classroom and not special projects, I'd be fine with it.

 

[jackstar7]

I would almost be willing to support a tax bill that eliminated deductions for teachers spending money on school items. Its totally inappropriate that there is such an expectation of this happening that we have a tax deduction for it. Its absolutely shameful that teachers are expected to do this. If the deduction was removed with increased funding for schools tied to it, funding that actually went to running the day to day classroom and not special projects, I'd be fine with it.

Hey, if we start funding schools appropriately then who will we put into prisons?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I would almost be willing to support a tax bill that eliminated deductions for teachers spending money on school items. Its totally inappropriate that there is such an expectation of this happening that we have a tax deduction for it. Its absolutely shameful that teachers are expected to do this. If the deduction was removed with increased funding for schools tied to it, funding that actually went to running the day to day classroom and not special projects, I'd be fine with it.

Psha, how much does a teacher get for a deduction?

Doubt it's even close to what they spend out of pocket for basic classroom supplies.

I linked an NPR interview and a news article covering the deduction earlier in the thread.

 

[Jhhnn]

I would almost be willing to support a tax bill that eliminated deductions for teachers spending money on school items. Its totally inappropriate that there is such an expectation of this happening that we have a tax deduction for it. Its absolutely shameful that teachers are expected to do this. If the deduction was removed with increased funding for schools tied to it, funding that actually went to running the day to day classroom and not special projects, I'd be fine with it.

Rich Republican kids go to private schools so money spent on public schools is just an ebil soshulist drain as far as they're concerned. Letting teachers take a tax deduction for school supplies that might make public school kids more competitive with their kids is counterproductive, anyway.

 

[BigDH01]

Hey, if we start funding schools appropriately then who will we put into prisons?

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to per capita spending on education.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

Also, the median salary for high school teachers is 58k/yr. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/high-school-teacher/salary

The median household income in the US is 59k/yr.

While the money may not be dispersed optimally, it's hard to argue there's a lack of funding. It sucks that countries that spend less than we do get better outcomes, but that appears to be due to a lack of stewardship.

 

[IronWing]

What's the median household income where at least one person has a college degree?

 

[JSt0rm]

i can imagine a world where the gop wins because retards got $50 extra a month.

 

[mect]

What's the median household income where at least one person has a college degree?

Or a Masters to be more accurate.

 

[mect]

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to per capita spending on education.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

Also, the median salary for high school teachers is 58k/yr. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/high-school-teacher/salary

The median household income in the US is 59k/yr.

While the money may not be dispersed optimally, it's hard to argue there's a lack of funding. It sucks that countries that spend less than we do get better outcomes, but that appears to be due to a lack of stewardship.

That's true. A big part of the issue is a ton of that money is getting siphoned away to for profit entities such as Pearson for all the special packages aimed at helping kids pass their standardized tests. Schools can't afford basic text books or supplies, but they have all the testing materials you could ever want.

 

[Jhhnn]

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to per capita spending on education.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

Also, the median salary for high school teachers is 58k/yr. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/high-school-teacher/salary

The median household income in the US is 59k/yr.

While the money may not be dispersed optimally, it's hard to argue there's a lack of funding. It sucks that countries that spend less than we do get better outcomes, but that appears to be due to a lack of stewardship.

That piece is a bit misleading wrt public schools.

The United States spends more than other developed nations on its students' education each year, with parents and private foundations picking up more of the costs, an international survey released Tuesday found

Foundations generally give scholarships to private school students. It also doesn't account for the differences between rich & poor public school districts, either.

I figure public schools would improve in a hurry if private schools were outlawed... which won't happen, obviously.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I think I'll get about $2k/yr more. Thing is, someone who makes a lot less than me needs that money a lot more.

And before anyone comes in with "you can donate it", this is about nationwide policy, not personal decisions.

 

[ivwshane]

I'll give you that the millionaire cares less than the guy making $40k about gas prices and how it affects his budget. But again, this is the type of thing that might push $40k-a-year guy to make a greener choice in his next vehicle, what if it even pushed that person to use public transportation or car pool? If Obama raised the gas tax under the guise of pushing people towards greener choices you'd be all for it.

Yes, this would be an example of how the government can create policies that affect behavior and help move the country in a particular direction and if trump, the guy who thinks global warming is a Chinese hoax, who pulled out of the Paris climate accord because we set our own goals, the guy who wants to bring back coal, the guy who wants to remove two to one EPA restrictions, the guy who is bringing back off shore oil drilling, were doing it to make people go green it would be laughable at best and at worst just another way to fuck over the little guy, which is exactly the point. Trumps policies don't help America and they don't help your average American.

I appreciate the attempted spin, I even liked your post!

 

[jackstar7]

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to per capita spending on education.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

Also, the median salary for high school teachers is 58k/yr. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/high-school-teacher/salary

The median household income in the US is 59k/yr.

While the money may not be dispersed optimally, it's hard to argue there's a lack of funding. It sucks that countries that spend less than we do get better outcomes, but that appears to be due to a lack of stewardship.

No, I think there's a lack of funding. Teachers spend their own money on school supplies, so clearly that salary ain't going that far, plus their work is exponentially harder than that of the average $60k job. Have you ever worked with kids? 20-30 of 'em? If so, then you know what I'm talking about.

And how do you reach your conclusion about stewardship? If we're talking about DeVos, then I'm ready to agree.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The US is near the top of the list when it comes to per capita spending on education.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

Also, the median salary for high school teachers is 58k/yr. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/high-school-teacher/salary

The median household income in the US is 59k/yr.

While the money may not be dispersed optimally, it's hard to argue there's a lack of funding. It sucks that countries that spend less than we do get better outcomes, but that appears to be due to a lack of stewardship.

I would argue the opposite...that we have too much stewardship. The US falls behind against other countries when we take into account how much of our education money is actually spent on teaching. A huge amount of that money goes to administration, oversight, and regulation. From one fork our our tongue, we say our teachers are talented, underpaid, heroes who work miracles for our children (which I think is mostly true). From the other, we tell them that they need 7 layers of administration above them and federal oversight because they are not smart or capable enough to teach. I'd like to put more money into paying teachers more and hiring more teachers and less into paying extravagant salaries to administrators and regulators who will never teach a child.

 

[Exterous]

No, I think there's a lack of funding. Teachers spend their own money on school supplies

There is not a lack of funding when you look at the top level. Teachers spending their own money is a symptom of two problems - heavy reliance on property taxes for funding and how the schools spend their money. Property tax funding means declining housing prices leads to declining school funding and performance - which leads to declining housing prices and so on while the well performing school a district over has the reverse happen. At the State or national level the funding evens out at a very high overall spending level but locally you have rich schools and poor schools - much to the detriment of the students in the poor schools

On the spending end you have trends where Admin staff positions are increasing faster than student enrollment or teacher staffing. Schools are also more than happy to spend millions (Or $1.3Bn on a failed iPad program is you're the LA Public School system) on failed attempts to make technology a silver bullet that fixes everything wrong with out educational system - leaving much fewer resources for proven methods and needed supplies.

 

[BigDH01]

Or a Masters to be more accurate.

Median individual with masters: 52k
Median household with masters: 78k

A household with two median high school teachers salary would be killing it.