How much better the HD 5870 over GTX 460?

[Will Robinson]

GTX460 seems to be very problematic with a lot of chips failing,might be worth checking these links before you buy.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3191

 

[happy medium]

Get a 460 and O/C the piss out of it then. That will be the best fps/$.

The man is right. +1

 

[zerocool84]

I own a 5870 but for performance per $ it goes to the 460. The highest end cards are hardly ever worth the money.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Energy consumption is far from being a concern for me.

When people talk about energy consumption they are also talking about heat generated (directly related to power consumption and can increase system temperature and/or surrounding temperature increase) and noise, although that is also dependent of the cooling system on each individual model and of course it is something quite subjective.

 

[MrK6]

1920x1200 is right in the margin - an overclocked GTX 460 will probably be fine for most games, but the resolution is getting high enough that the HD 5850 can really stretch it's legs, too. I think this summary is very informative: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_460_HAWK/28.html . You'll notice that at 1920x1200, the stock HD 5850 is ~9% faster than a stock GTX 460, while the overclocked HAWK variant offers comparable performance to the stock HD 5850. I think 900MHz is a relatively decent overclock for the GTX 460, so assuming near linear scaling, you're looking at a highly overclock GTX 460 being on average ~10% faster than a stock HD 5850. Of course the HD 5850 is a good overclocker too, and you're looking at 5870 performance+ there, which should net you at least another 10% on top of the GTX 460 @ 900MHz. Remember, this is overall - each game card is going to have strengths in certain games/engines.

I wouldn't consider the 5870 at all; it's not really worth it when the 5850 clocks the same and has 99% of the clock-for-clock performance. The GTX 470 is worth considering, especially with a sale/game bundle, but it's loud and hot, which is also worth considering. However, I think the main decision is between the GTX 460 and the HD 5850 and how much performance you want.

 

[3DVagabond]

When people talk about energy consumption they are also talking about card temperature and noise, although that is also dependent of the cooling system on each individual model and of course it is something quite subjective.

Yes, energy consumption affects a lot of factors. I'll agree that I'm not too concerned if my PC costs me $25.00/year more to run. Everything else though that comes along with inefficiently designed electronics does. As of today, I think the 5870 is the best overall designed card out there. YMMV, of course.

 

[RussianSensation]

GTX460 seems to be very problematic with a lot of chips failing,might be worth checking these links before you buy.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3191

Firstly, when someone uses words such as "chips failing", this implies the chips themselves are breaking (i.e, overheating, cease to work completely, etc.) Secondly, one cannot use words such as "a lot" when talking about anecdotal evidence from forum threads. Every electronic product has a margin of failure and every company expects some returns related to failure rates.

Besides, what you are discussing are driver issues. Of course what can we expect from you but another negative NV comment. Thanks for keeping us entertained.

 

[Tsavo]

Firstly, when someone uses words such as "chips failing", this implies the chips themselves are breaking (i.e, overheating, cease to work completely, etc.) Secondly, one cannot use words such as "a lot" when talking about anecdotal evidence from forum threads. Every electronic product has a margin of failure and every company expects some returns related to failure rates.

Besides, what you are discussing are driver issues. Of course what can we expect from you but another negative NV comment. Thanks for keeping us entertained.

Another bumpy new GPU release. Just like ATI had with their 5xxx. I wonder if the 6xxx is going to have teething problems, too. I should just get a 5850 and be done with it.

 

[Axon]

Just to throw my hat in...I just picked up a GTX 460 1GB, and it's a tremendous card. I haven't had a single issue, and it gives me a superior frame rate on SC2 than my 4890.

Can't speak for how it compares to the 5870, but for what I do, the cost of a 5870 simply wasn't worth it. I'm going to grab another 460 for SLI and I should be good for some time.

 

[Caribbean Geek]

Hardly more than the 5870 at load (30W) - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/asus-matrix-5870_4.html#sect0[/QUOTE]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/asus-matrix-5870/m5870_power.png

Is more than 30W, The GTX 470 consumes almost twice the power of the HD 5870 where it matters the most, at idle, in load, the GTX 470 consumes 32.8W more at HD video playback and in full game throttle, the GTX 470 consumes 33.3W more, and for slightly less performance, (Even if the situation of similar performance evern existed, its not ideal.

Besides, what you are discussing are driver issues. Of course what can we expect from you but another negative NV comment. Thanks for keeping us entertained.

I think that you are in no position to accuse people of bias, because your inclination to nVidia is quite evident, such coments looks bad on either both sides, a good example of this would be; (Like of course what can we expect from you but another negative AMD comment, or what can we expect from you, another Pro nVidia propaganda),

Just respect other's people opinion and brand inclination and I think that the forums will be better.

 

[happy medium]

The GTX 470 consumes almost twice the power of the HD 5870

Where do you see twice the power? I see 33 watts , Russian said 30 watts, I think thats close enough.

Just respect other's people opinion and brand inclination and I think that the forums will be better

Power consumption is not a opinion and your spreading false information with only 42 posts under your belt. You know what we can these types of posts? Its starts with a T and ends with LLs .

 

[Will Robinson]

Oops you missed a bit off his quote:

The GTX 470 consumes almost twice the power of the HD 5870 where it matters the most, at idle,

Look at the numbers:
GTX470 28.6
HD5870 15.8

As he said....almost twice the power at idle.

 

[RussianSensation]

Is more than 30W, The GTX 470 consumes almost twice the power of the HD 5870 where it matters the most, at idle, in load, the GTX 470 consumes 32.8W more at HD video playback and in full game throttle, the GTX 470 consumes 33.3W more, and for slightly less performance, (Even if the situation of similar performance evern existed, its not ideal.

So wait you corrected me for another 3.3W of power?

You guys make me laugh when you are grasping at straws looking at 20W of power difference in idle when a 5870 costs $50-100 more than a GTX470 and frankly isnt' any faster in DX11 games (Lost Planet, Battleforge, AvP, Metro 2033, STALKER: CoP). Also, that difference will be wiped out by the choice of a CPU (AMD or Intel idle). Comparing 20W of power at idle is too immaterial to consider for someone who is buying an enthusiast gaming videocard!!! Your argument would have been a lot better if you mentioned that 5870 runs a lot quieter which I am sure most people will care a whole lot more than 20W of power consumption difference at idle.

I think that you are in no position to accuse people of bias, because your inclination to nVidia is quite evident, such coments looks bad on either both sides, a good example of this would be; (Like of course what can we expect from you but another negative AMD comment, or what can we expect from you, another Pro nVidia propaganda),

Right with not even 50 posts on the forum what do you know about me? How could you possibly know that I owned a Radeon 8500 when GeForce 3 Ti500 was probably a better card given the driver issues ATI had at the time? I guess you weren't here when I recommended 9700Pro over 5800U, 9800Pro over 5900 series, X850XT over 6800U, X1800XT over 7800GT, X1950XTX over 7900/7950, and 4850/4870/4890 cards over 9800GTX/GTX260/275, or the fact that I recommended 5770 for 7 months?

Also, my last videocard was an MSI 4890... Interesting...you wouldn't know any of that because you've been here all but 42 posts.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Following the Anantech bench tool, while the GTX 470 only consumes 30W more than a 5870 in Furmark, in Crysis it consumes 56W more.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/162?vs=160

The 5850 vs GTX470 comparison is around 100W in Furmark and 90W in Crysis

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/164?vs=160

The GTX460 vs GTX470 is around 70W in Furmark and 75W in Crysis.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/180?vs=160

 

[RussianSensation]

TechReport found only 11W of power difference in L4D2 between the 470 and 5870.

All in all, while the 5850 is far more power efficient than the 470, the 5870's power consumption advantage does not offset the price difference/performance between the 2 cards.

Right now the only cards worth considering for gaming are GTX460 (and SLI) /5850 /470. It's hard to consider the 5870 unless the price falls at least $50-75. Also, with HD6000 series close to launching, I can't imagine spending $350+ on an 11-months old card.

Frankly, ever since 5850 hovered around $270 (even before Fermi came about), the 5870 was a bad deal at $375-399 imo. 5850 and 5870 also overclock similarly making 5870, once again, a crappy deal.

 

[GaiaHunter]

TechReport found only 11W of power difference in L4D2 between the 470 and 5870.

All in all, while the 5850 is far more power efficient than the 470, the 5870's power consumption advantage does not offset the price difference/performance between the 2 cards.

Right now the only cards worth considering for gaming are GTX460 (and SLI) /5850 /470. It's hard to consider the 5870 unless the price falls at least $50-75. Also, with HD6000 series close to launching, I can't imagine spending $350+ on an 11-months old card.

Frankly, ever since 5850 hovered around $270 (even before Fermi came about), the 5870 was a bad deal at $375-399 imo. 5850 and 5870 also overclock similarly making 5870, once again, a crappy deal.

I wasn't saying the 5870 is a great deal - one will pay a big premium for a bit more performance and smaller power consumption.

On the other hand, in my personal case (dislike loud fan noises/bedroom heat), considering the 5850 and the GTX460 I wouldn't pick a GTX470 either.

 

[Caribbean Geek]

So wait you corrected me for another 3.3W of power?

You guys make me laugh when you are grasping at straws looking at 20W of power difference in idle when a 5870 costs $50-100 more than a GTX470 and frankly isnt' any faster in DX11 games (Lost Planet, Battleforge, AvP, Metro 2033, STALKER: CoP). Also, that difference will be wiped out by the choice of a CPU (AMD or Intel idle). Comparing 20W of power at idle is too immaterial to consider for someone who is buying an enthusiast gaming videocard!!! Your argument would have been a lot better if you mentioned that 5870 runs a lot quieter which I am sure most people will care a whole lot more than 20W of power consumption difference at idle.

An enthusiast will not play games 24/7 a day, so means that idle power consumption is very important, gamers today care about it and explains clearly why the GTX 470 isn't selling very well.

Right with not even 50 posts on the forum what do you know about me? How could you possibly know that I owned a Radeon 8500 when GeForce 3 Ti500 was probably a better card given the driver issues ATI had at the time? I guess you weren't here when I recommended 9700Pro over 5800U, 9800Pro over 5900 series, X850XT over 6800U, X1800XT over 7800GT, X1950XTX over 7900/7950, and 4850/4870/4890 cards over 9800GTX/GTX260/275, or the fact that I recommended 5770 for 7 months?

Also, my last videocard was an MSI 4890... Interesting...you wouldn't know any of that because you've been here all but 42 posts.

Way to go to attack me personally, you look great doing it, please stay on topic, its not about knowing each other or whatever, its about "How much better the HD 5870 over the GTX 460"

Oops you missed a bit off his quote:
Look at the numbers:
GTX470 28.6
HD5870 15.8

As he said....almost twice the power at idle.

Hehehe, good catch, Happymedium has some post spinning abilities.

TechReport found only 11W of power difference in L4D2 between the 470 and 5870..

Please, L4D2 can't tax any GPU enough to make a difference in power consumption, use a real taxing game (Furmark isn't a game), and see the wide difference between the GTX 470 and HD 5870 in terms of power consumption. (The GTX 480 is a monster!!)

Such results are with Crysis Warhead Frost map level at 1600x1200 at 4x AA, that's some real challenge for a GPU, L4D2 can run even on a lowly HD 2600PRO maxed at 1280x1024,

I wasn't saying the 5870 is a great deal - one will pay a big premium for a bit more performance and smaller power consumption.

On the other hand, in my personal case (dislike loud fan noises/bedroom heat), considering the 5850 and the GTX460 I wouldn't pick a GTX470 either.

And between the HD 5850 and the GTX 460 1GB, the former is the faster, hence its slightly higher price than the latter.

 

[happy medium]

Hehehe, good catch, Happymedium has some post spinning abilities.

Good catch? ,so idle power is not what you meant?
Everyone who buys a gtx470 to play games and worries about 15 more watts at idle for a total of 28.6 watts, raise your hands...........................................................................................................................................Ah anyone?
Point made, troll squashed.

 

[Caribbean Geek]

Good catch? ,so idle power is not what you meant?
Everyone who buys a gtx470 to play games and worries about 15 more watts at idle for a total of 28.6 watts, raise your hands...........................................................................................................................................Ah anyone?
Point made, troll squashed.

Jum, a though internet guy, :awe:

Regardless of your opinion in which you are entitled to, the GTX 470 consumes more power than the HD 5870 and doesn't outperform it.

 

[happy medium]

Regardless of your opinion in which you are entitled to, the GTX 470 consumes more power than the HD 5870 and doesn't outperform it.

Yea you right it does outperform it by about 9%, but cost $100 more, no thanks.

 

[Caribbean Geek]

Yea you right it does outperform it by about 9%, but cost $100 more, no thanks.

You are totally right on that one,

 

[iGas]

You are totally right on that one,

But the power that you save is awesome
It would take about 10~20 years to break even with the cost different between the GTX 470 vs. HD 5870.

 

[happy medium]

But the power that you save is awesome
It would take about 10~20 years to break even with the cost different between the GTX 470 vs. HD 5870.

Dont rub it in, be nice.

 

[Caribbean Geek]

Dont rub it in, be nice.

LOLL :biggrin:

 

[solofly]

Do you have all of those cards in your sig?

I do...