How many of those who complain about war have served?

[judasmachine]

I don't support the war, but I also never served. My dad served during Vietnam and doesn't support the war either.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: 32fear

Smells like flamebait, to me.

WTF difference does it make if someone served or not?

Not flamebait, honest inquiry. The results are about what I expected too. Try asking the same thing on a Jeeps board or gun board (many of which I am also a part of) and you'll see almost the exact opposite if what you see here. I just find it interesting how groups separate by hobby and many in the hobby have similar backgrounds and similar political stances.
Computer nerds and grease monkeys are opposite sides of the labor spectrum. Also opposite sides of the political spectrum I am finding. It was just a shock to see the extreme left stance in this forum when compared to the extreme right stance of Jeepers and firearm owners. I side with neither, but see points on each side.

This forum is definitely quicker to jump down someone's throat and get offended by "loaded questions" that are really just inquiries. Most other forums wouldn't see this as a loaded question or a flame. It would just be a question that another member asked. Because a lot on here didn't serve though, they seem to think I'm degrading their opinion and worth. Those who have served likely didn't feel the same way.

Extreme left stance? Damn, son, take off those FOX News partisan blinders and WTFU.

I wonder when the chickenhawks will come a runnin' to defend this poll when they decry the equally ridiculous ones that ask who supports the war but haven't served.

 

[32fear]

Extreme left stance? Damn, son, take off those FOX News partisan blinders and WTFU.

I wonder when the chickenhawks will come a runnin' to defend this poll when they decry the equally ridiculous ones that ask who supports the war but haven't served.

Put the bottle down and form coherent thoughts before posting please.

 

[piasabird]

I served 10 years in the Army, but I was against this war from the beginning, because I thought that there is middle east country worth fighting for. I figured they were all full of terrorists waiting to cause the kind of trouble they are causing now. I find it hard to support either liberals or this war.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: 32fear

Smells like flamebait, to me.

WTF difference does it make if someone served or not?

Not flamebait, honest inquiry. The results are about what I expected too. Try asking the same thing on a Jeeps board or gun board (many of which I am also a part of) and you'll see almost the exact opposite if what you see here. I just find it interesting how groups separate by hobby and many in the hobby have similar backgrounds and similar political stances.
Computer nerds and grease monkeys are opposite sides of the labor spectrum. Also opposite sides of the political spectrum I am finding. It was just a shock to see the extreme left stance in this forum when compared to the extreme right stance of Jeepers and firearm owners. I side with neither, but see points on each side.

This forum is definitely quicker to jump down someone's throat and get offended by "loaded questions" that are really just inquiries. Most other forums wouldn't see this as a loaded question or a flame. It would just be a question that another member asked. Because a lot on here didn't serve though, they seem to think I'm degrading their opinion and worth. Those who have served likely didn't feel the same way.

The more educated people tend to be against the war while the less educated factory workers/farmers/laborers tend to be for the war.

 

[32fear]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I was against this war from the beginning, because I thought that there is middle east country worth fighting for. I figured they were all full of terrorists waiting to cause the kind of trouble they are causing now. I find it hard to support either liberals or this war.

I'm basically with you. I think though that now that we're burried as deep as we are, it's out duty to finish it the right way. We will have a lot of mending to do and it will take a long time, but this isn't about a popularity contest. It is about world security. In my opinion, the only reason to support the war still is because every one of us knows that Hussein would not have hesitated to harbor a terrorist of any sort that was going to hit us where it counts. By taking him out, we can only hope that the new gov't in Iraq will be on our side and help make the Middle East a more inhabitable place (safety-wise).
A full pull-out is just as stupid as a permanent occupation in my opinion. Ultra liberals are just as wrong as ultra conservatives. The only difference is that the Conservs have the power to act on their wrongness where the liberals can just hypothesize.

 

[32fear]

The more educated people tend to be against the war while the less educated factory workers/farmers/laborers tend to be for the war.

Why is that in any way significant to anything? And I think we saw in the last election who still has a majority of America. I don't love Bush, but both of his opponents were horendous. The Dems belonged in power after the last election, but chose an unelectable candidate.

 

[homercles337]

Post count 180. BUSHWON.gif in sig. Can you say TROLL, stupid lying troll?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I was forward-deployed in late September 2001, in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. I served as an Air Force officer for six years. I think OIF is an inexcusably stupid, poorly thought-out boondoggle. I'm glad to no longer work for President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld. I also think this thread is gratuitous trolling.

 

[WiseOldDude]

I served during Nam, so what is your point?

 

[replicator]

You don't have to be a politician to criticize the government, in the same way you don't need to be a soldier.

The criticism is policy related, not about the actions of individual soldiers. I don't see the correlation of having to 'serve' before you can say anything related to the war.

 

[Willoughbyva]

I agree that you don't have to be military to have an opinion on this matter. The president isn't a member of the military, but tells them what to do. He is the commander and chief or what ever the saying is. It was one of our fore fathers best decisions to have it so that the military would be lead by a civilian. To be honest I think that politics and military are to closely related these days.

However I think that the lives of the men and women that serve should better respected. They have some of the lowest pay of any field of work. I am talking about the grunt that actually fights and gets the job done. I am not talking about the officer that sort of stays away from the action.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Well, i served. And am way too old to have been in Iraq. And I bitch about this war regularly. Does that help?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: 32fear

Smells like flamebait, to me.

WTF difference does it make if someone served or not?

Not flamebait, honest inquiry.

The only thing worse than a troll is a troll who won't admit to being one. We have some bad trolls on this board but at least some aren't afraid to admit it. You, otoh, post a blatant troll thread (read your OP again - ie: whining) but try to pass it off as honest inquiry.

Take your whining about whining and beat it, kid.

Do you ever ask yourself if those who support war (this/or any) have ever served?

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: 32fear

Smells like flamebait, to me.

WTF difference does it make if someone served or not?

Not flamebait, honest inquiry.

When you use the word "whining" about someone who are opposing the war, your choice of word reflect what you think about them, and "whining" definatley isn't a positive word to choose.

If you instead had said "I see that many oppose the current politics in Iraq, does anyone have any war related experiences, current or other?" I'm wondering about this since I think that serving in a war might alter your view on what is going on.........

I think you would have avoided the flamebait discussion.

 

[Red Dawn]

I sometimes question the wisdom of those signing up in this day and age when we have a leader that believes Armageddon is inevitable and professes to talk to God. I appreciate their service but I think it's a horrible waste when the Dub and his handlers use them arbitrarily when it's not really in defense of our interests or security.

He screwed the Pooch going into Iraq and now it's our brave soldiers who are going to pay the price dearly for his unwise decision. Right now the Army is having difficulty meeting its recruiting goals and I believe that's a result of the publics lack of confidence in his leadership abilities which are highlighted by his foreign policy blunders.

 

[BBond]

How many of those who complain about war have served?

What's the difference? The chickenhawks who sent Americans to war didn't serve. If they can start wars without having served, Americans can criticize wars without having served.

The question should be, "How many of those who took America to war have served?" If you don't like civilians criticizing the military you'll really be pi$$ed with that answer.

Besides, I've know many veterans and the military seems to be doing a very good job of adjusting attitudes. If criticism was limited to those who had served there would be very little criticism at all, IMO. And, if it's possible to have more that we have now, more war.

Read the Constitution, or what Bush and the Republicans have left of it. AFAIK, nowhere is military induction or indoctrination mentioned as a prerequisite for the right to free speech.

 

[Stunt]

I don't expect anyone against war to have served, and I don't expect anyone for war to have served. It's a volutary military and it is up to us as a democracy to decide what we do with it. Service and support/rejection of military action are totally unrelated.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: 32fear
I see a lot of whining. But as a relative moderate who leans slight right, I feel like some of you whine without foundation. I want to know how many of YOU have served in Iraq. I want to know how many of you served at all.

uhhh ... can you explain you train of thoughts that put those two completly unrelated things together?

How is the basis of someone's argument against the war related to to whetether he/she saerved in the military forces? I just don't see the connection, or even where you're trying to go with this

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: 32fear

Originally posted by: Tab
What are you saying? I need to "serve" my country before I voice a opinion that my goverment may not agree with?

No, but thanks for puting words into my mouth. I was asking a question, you were assuming things that weren't said. I just think that people who have worked toward a cause have stronger convictions for it. It is often all too evident those who take their neighbor's work for granted.

welcome to P&N 😕

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 32fear

Originally posted by: Tab
What are you saying? I need to "serve" my country before I voice a opinion that my goverment may not agree with?

No, but thanks for puting words into my mouth. I was asking a question, you were assuming things that weren't said. I just think that people who have worked toward a cause have stronger convictions for it. It is often all too evident those who take their neighbor's work for granted.

welcome to P&N 😕

Don't let the door hit ya'...

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 32fear

Originally posted by: Tab
What are you saying? I need to "serve" my country before I voice a opinion that my goverment may not agree with?

No, but thanks for puting words into my mouth. I was asking a question, you were assuming things that weren't said. I just think that people who have worked toward a cause have stronger convictions for it. It is often all too evident those who take their neighbor's work for granted.

welcome to P&N 😕

Don't let the door hit ya'...

i'm not leaving anytime soon. posters like you make me want to stay.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 32fear

Originally posted by: Tab
What are you saying? I need to "serve" my country before I voice a opinion that my goverment may not agree with?

No, but thanks for puting words into my mouth. I was asking a question, you were assuming things that weren't said. I just think that people who have worked toward a cause have stronger convictions for it. It is often all too evident those who take their neighbor's work for granted.

welcome to P&N 😕

Don't let the door hit ya'...

i'm not leaving anytime soon. posters like you make me want to stay.

Nice of you to stick around and make matters worse.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 32fear

Originally posted by: Tab
What are you saying? I need to "serve" my country before I voice a opinion that my goverment may not agree with?

No, but thanks for puting words into my mouth. I was asking a question, you were assuming things that weren't said. I just think that people who have worked toward a cause have stronger convictions for it. It is often all too evident those who take their neighbor's work for granted.

welcome to P&N 😕

Don't let the door hit ya'...

i'm not leaving anytime soon. posters like you make me want to stay.

Nice of you to stick around and make matters worse.

it is nice, because i am. 🙂

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: BBond



Nice of you to stick around and make matters worse.

it is nice, because i am. 🙂

You're good at stating the obvious yet you can't seem to see what's right in front of you.