How long can you resist without lusting?

[Crono]

Originally posted by: NiteWulf

Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Unfortunately, the basis of that point relies on proof of a spirit, a soul, and God's intention. And as for proof of God's intention, the writings (the Bible) of fallible humans translated and copied a thousand times over by hand (which pretty much guarantees some type of transcription/translation error) don't count.

edit: I still suck at spelling.

The argument that the scriptures were translated and copied a thousand times and are therefore inaccurate is virtually null. If it were translated 1000 times linearly, the argument may have something to stand on.

Take the American Standard version for example (AKA revised version in later editions). The translators took the King James version and compared it with the Vulgate and many manuscripts, including the oldest known manuscripts. Preference was given to the older sources and those genereally accepted by the Jews in former times. (I'm at my dad's right now so I can check the editor's notes for accuracy in my statements later, if you'd like.)

Now some versions are not to be completely trusted, such as the New International version. The NIV is missing some verses that are included in other versions and I have not seen any reasoning behind this decision.

Thanks for pointing that out, I missed that in his post. I prefer to use the NKJV (all quotations I use are NKJV from BibleGateway.com, though the NASB is very good as well.

 

[Kibbo86]

My 2 cents:

Although I don't practice (or beleive in) them, I have a great deal of respect for Christian sexual morals, as well as those who attempt to practice them. Sex is probably the second most ethically important act in which the average person indulges. The capacity for spreading disease, the possibility creating new life, and the probablility of emotionally devastating yourself and others carries huge levels of responsibility in this simple, natural act.

I do believe that the Bible has crude and simplistic ways of dealing with this responsibility, and that many modern theologies put too much weight on these strictures. I also believe that these very ideals can lead to more harm than good, both in the psyche of those who practice them, and in the divisions that this kind of group identification can cause in society.

FWIW.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Crono
Lust itself is not sin; what Jesus was saying is that lust cause sin, that it is the first step leading to sin. Rape, adultery, overindulgence- all begin with lust of the flesh or lust of the eyes. Does that mean you can be tempted and not sin? Yes, Jesus was tempted and did not sin, but that was because he is perfect (he is God) and knew no sin, but you and I cannot expect to not sin every time on our own; it just can't be done without God's help.

It's just like when Yoda said that fear was the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering...

But, of course, all normal relationships, even between good christians, probably start out with at least some amount of lust--so lust can lead to marriage as well. And we couldn't very well be fruitful and multiply, as directed, without lust.

In the context of marriage where you appreciate your spouse's body and desire them- that is ok, and that is love and what God intended (but it is bad if you only married someone for their body). And I'm sure Yoda didn't come up with that line by himself

If you've endured years of self-deprivation, how are you NOT going to marry a woman for her body? How will you be sure you're getting married for love, companionship, family, etc., and not just because of your overwhelming desire to finally have sex?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Crono
In the context of marriage where you appreciate your spouse's body and desire them- that is ok, and that is love and what God intended (but it is bad if you only married someone for their body). And I'm sure Yoda didn't come up with that line by himself

But you most likely experienced lust for the person in your initial attraction to them, before you were courting and married.

 

[kotss]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Hankerton
omg, i'm sorry, I'm glad you found yourself in religion, but honestly, your post just made me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

I'm not trying to be hateful, I just have a huuuge problem with religion in general.

Gave me a laugh though....hahaha, whenever I feel horny I'll revert to the bible!!

Then why did you open this thread - just to crap in it and on the OP? :disgust:
I don't understand why some of you feel the need to flame on religion and religious people. Is this the diversity we're supposed to worship in the US? :roll:

I would not worship diversity. I would respect it to the point that it does not infringe upon
my constitutional rights. AS I would expect others to do. Coming back to what DragonMasterAlex was talking about, the concept of "Do unto others" is relevant even
without bringing religion or faith into the equation.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Honestly, I think lust rots away at the soul and brain. Before when I was still "pure" and didn't have such thoughts, I would be able to concentrate on anything and understand things quickly; I was a very successful student in college. Then, I went and got myself a girlfriend. She kept tempting me until I gave in; after that, all I could think of was p00n and when I'd get it again and again and again. Now that I am a bit older, I wish I could undo that. Go whack off if you need to, or go for a run and tire yourself out.

Don't give into temptation.

 

[Fraggable]

it'd not the masturbation itself that's wrong, it's the thoughts you have during it. It is wrong to think of a woman (other than a spouse) in a sexual way. The Bible does say that it's almost as bad to think about it as it is to do it.

Try this: if you can stay away from pron and anything that starts that thought process in your head for 2 weeks, the desire for it will shrink considerably. That's because the neurons in your head and your body that are used to the stimulation will get used to less stimulation and you won't feel the urge as much.

 

[Fraggable]

Originally posted by: Sheepathon

Originally posted by: Crono

Our "humanity", or "flesh" is what I think you are specifically reffering to, is animal-like and we should not be like animals, killing each other for territory, and raping each other, as animals do. Yes, we are limited by our bodies in this world, and because of the fall our bodies are impefect, but we are also made up a spirit and soul, which makes us higher than animals. God did not intend for us to be like monkeys or horses or whatever other animals you wnat to refer to.

Unfortunately, the basis of that point relies on proof of a spirit, a soul, and God's intention. And as for proof of God's intention, the writings (the Bible) of fallible humans translated and copied a thousand times over by hand (which pretty much guarantees some type of transcription/translation error) don't count.

edit: I still suck at spelling.

Try again when you've read up on what the KJV bible was translated from and can prove you're right (because you're not). The KJV was translated largely from original or second-copy documents, not copied thousands of times.

 

[eits]

11 seconds... 12 tops.

 

[Sheepathon]

Originally posted by: Fraggable

Try again when you've read up on what the KJV bible was translated from and can prove you're right (because you're not). The KJV was translated largely from original or second-copy documents, not copied thousands of times.

Even assuming that the King James Version is the closest to perfect version one can get (even though it's a hash of Tyndale's Bible and some other material), it doesn't change the fact that the Bible is a human creation.

Looked up some KJV history on wiki...

King James's instructions made it clear that he wanted the resulting translation to contain a minimum of controversial notes and apparati, and that he wanted the episcopal structure of the Established Church, and traditional beliefs about an ordained clergy to be reflected in the new translation. His order directed the translators to revise the Bishop's Bible, comparing other named English versions.

The Bible may be a holy scripture, but the very fact that religion and government/rule have had such a close relationship in history means that there can never be a bias-less version of the Bible, and subsequently, every further translation is just another opportunity to change little things here and there.

The Bible has evolved along the years. Authority figures can, have, and always will find ways to manipulate their subjects. Anyone who's taken Euro history, world history, etc. knows this. Can one even definitively say which version of "Holy Scripture" is the authentic one? Christianity is practiced today differently than it was 100 years ago, and 100 years ago it was different from how it was centuries ago, and so on.

And even if whatever you consider to be the "official" version of the Bible is mostly the same as it is when it was first compiled, it was still people that assembled the books, put them together, and bam, we have an official Bible. It was still people that decided what got to go into it, and what was left out. Times have changed, but people have not - bias has and always will be a factor in any kind of work, whether someone is conscious of it or not. Why were Tobit, Judith, Maccabees, Baruch, etc. left out of the official Bible, and the books in the official Bible left in? It's still fallible human beings choosing what gets to go into the "holy" book and what doesn't.

Ultimately, you have to just believe that God was guiding a few special people and giving them divine inspiration to put together what he wants people to read. If you believe that, then well, I guess that's why they call it faith.

 

[BrokenVisage]

How lust can you resist longing?

 

[iskim86]

Originally posted by: sixone
You may disagree, but I don't believe it's the thoughts that get you in trouble - it's the actions. Going out of your way to get pron, spending too much time feeding the desire, etc.

well even fantasizing about having sex with a person of the opposite sex is not permitted and is considered sin in the bible.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve

Originally posted by: platinumike
Iam a Christian, and I have been struggling with lusting be it in person or in pictures/movies. I've found that the best method is to just act like a Women's gorgeous behind or rack isnt there and completely ignore it, also when it comes to p0rn and what not, I find the best method is to just keep busy at all time, and not actually surf the net, usually when i get bored i go look at p0rn or something. ---Now heres my question, how is a man supposed to contain himself sexually? if sex before marriage is wrong, masturbation is wrong, then there is no way for a man to relieve himself without sinning? The build up of sexual tension is so strong, that to relieve it is like a natural process just like using the bathroom or something. I think God intended us to all have wives at age 16 or so..so we wouldnt have theese problems in our later years.

Your post shouts "I WANT TO GET LAID!!"

Unfortunately if he did that, than heis lust would 100X as severe. Once you've had the poon, you can't not want it.

That Pvssy got a grip on me, yo!

 

[Kibbo86]

Once you've had enough poon, you can start viewing it in it's proper perspective. I doubt that you could prove to me that a 20 year old virgin would be less distracted by women than a 20 year old who's had a couple of pieces.

 

[Fraggable]

Originally posted by: Sheepathon

Originally posted by: Fraggable

Try again when you've read up on what the KJV bible was translated from and can prove you're right (because you're not). The KJV was translated largely from original or second-copy documents, not copied thousands of times.

Even assuming that the King James Version is the closest to perfect version one can get (even though it's a hash of Tyndale's Bible and some other material), it doesn't change the fact that the Bible is a human creation.

Looked up some KJV history on wiki...

King James's instructions made it clear that he wanted the resulting translation to contain a minimum of controversial notes and apparati, and that he wanted the episcopal structure of the Established Church, and traditional beliefs about an ordained clergy to be reflected in the new translation. His order directed the translators to revise the Bishop's Bible, comparing other named English versions.

The Bible may be a holy scripture, but the very fact that religion and government/rule have had such a close relationship in history means that there can never be a bias-less version of the Bible, and subsequently, every further translation is just another opportunity to change little things here and there.

The Bible has evolved along the years. Authority figures can, have, and always will find ways to manipulate their subjects. Anyone who's taken Euro history, world history, etc. knows this. Can one even definitively say which version of "Holy Scripture" is the authentic one? Christianity is practiced today differently than it was 100 years ago, and 100 years ago it was different from how it was centuries ago, and so on.

And even if whatever you consider to be the "official" version of the Bible is mostly the same as it is when it was first compiled, it was still people that assembled the books, put them together, and bam, we have an official Bible. It was still people that decided what got to go into it, and what was left out. Times have changed, but people have not - bias has and always will be a factor in any kind of work, whether someone is conscious of it or not. Why were Tobit, Judith, Maccabees, Baruch, etc. left out of the official Bible, and the books in the official Bible left in? It's still fallible human beings choosing what gets to go into the "holy" book and what doesn't.

Ultimately, you have to just believe that God was guiding a few special people and giving them divine inspiration to put together what he wants people to read. If you believe that, then well, I guess that's why they call it faith.

I do happen to believe that the Bible is a compilation of divinely-inspired writers' works. God Himself did not write any of it. The closes it comes to that is quotes from Him.

King James did NOT want the Bible written in English. He was fooled into signing the papers that let them translate it. He had almost no input whatsoever in getting it done which by the way, was done by more than 16 of the best translators in the known world, each of whose work was checked by at least 6 of the others before considered final.

Besides all that, If I had to trust that men alone did the work, no I wouldn't believe it. But it wasn't men alone, God was involved in the KJV's translation process and anything that God is involved in is perfect. You want to call that faith? go right ahead. that's what it is. If you don't have faith, you won't ever get it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
Honestly, I think lust rots away at the soul and brain. Before when I was still "pure" and didn't have such thoughts, I would be able to concentrate on anything and understand things quickly; I was a very successful student in college. Then, I went and got myself a girlfriend. She kept tempting me until I gave in; after that, all I could think of was p00n and when I'd get it again and again and again. Now that I am a bit older, I wish I could undo that. Go whack off if you need to, or go for a run and tire yourself out.

Don't give into temptation.

Wow, sounds like you blame women for your feelings of want. You're off to a great start.

Alert-Future serial killer here!!!

Lust is normal. Don't worry about what a bunch of holy rollers wrote in some book thousands of years ago. The world was a far different place back then and none of that hocus pocus crap is applicable today.

 

[Fraggable]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
Honestly, I think lust rots away at the soul and brain. Before when I was still "pure" and didn't have such thoughts, I would be able to concentrate on anything and understand things quickly; I was a very successful student in college. Then, I went and got myself a girlfriend. She kept tempting me until I gave in; after that, all I could think of was p00n and when I'd get it again and again and again. Now that I am a bit older, I wish I could undo that. Go whack off if you need to, or go for a run and tire yourself out.

Don't give into temptation.

Wow, sounds like you blame women for your feelings of want. You're off to a great start.

Alert-Future serial killer here!!!

Lust is normal. Don't worry about what a bunch of holy rollers wrote in some book thousands of years ago. The world was a far different place back then and none of that hocus pocus crap is applicable today.

Lust is normal... that's quite a thing to say. I guess it is but that doesn't make it ok.

 

[karstenanderson]

The Bible is pretty clear and explicit on its take on this:

If you are a person who lusts for a woman, (described as a burning of the flesh), then it says to simply take a wife, and get on with things.

Maybe some of the other Christians can back me up?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Crono

Grrrrr, you people drive me crazy.

Kids feel guilty when they first learn the ways of masturbation only because they don't understand what their bodies are telling them or where these urges are coming from. It's a biological thing, it has nothign to do with what God wants.

I think your belief's are somewhere on the fence between naivety and insanity.

Masturbation is not a necessity to human life.

So are you saying that anything that is not a necessity to human life is sinful and evil? That's an utterly retarded point of view.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: iskim86

Originally posted by: sixone
You may disagree, but I don't believe it's the thoughts that get you in trouble - it's the actions. Going out of your way to get pron, spending too much time feeding the desire, etc.

well even fantasizing about having sex with a person of the opposite sex is not permitted and is considered sin in the bible.

That's true, and to some extent, I agree with it. If you look at a woman, and the first thing you think is how attractive she is, that's one thing. I don't believe that is what the Bible forbids. But devoting time to creating the fantasy situation and imagining different scenarios is quite another. That's feeding the temptation, which is the first step towards acting on it, therefore it is wrong.

If you have some self-discipline, you can distract yourself from those thoughts and focus on other areas of your life. I know a lot of Christians don't agree, but that's what I believe was intended.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: platinumike
Iam a Christian, and I have been struggling with lusting be it in person or in pictures/movies. I've found that the best method is to just act like a Women's gorgeous behind or rack isnt there and completely ignore it, also when it comes to p0rn and what not, I find the best method is to just keep busy at all time, and not actually surf the net, usually when i get bored i go look at p0rn or something. ---Now heres my question, how is a man supposed to contain himself sexually? if sex before marriage is wrong, masturbation is wrong, then there is no way for a man to relieve himself without sinning? The build up of sexual tension is so strong, that to relieve it is like a natural process just like using the bathroom or something. I think God intended us to all have wives at age 16 or so..so we wouldnt have theese problems in our later years.

 

[TallBill]

about 15 seconds

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: silverpig
There's a reason your arms are the perfect length to reach down there... If God REALLY didn't want you playing with yourself, your dick would be right in the middle of your back.

I was silently brooding over this thread until I came upon this...

Then I started laughing hysterically...*wipes foam off mouth* Nice job. :beer:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Fraggable

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
Honestly, I think lust rots away at the soul and brain. Before when I was still "pure" and didn't have such thoughts, I would be able to concentrate on anything and understand things quickly; I was a very successful student in college. Then, I went and got myself a girlfriend. She kept tempting me until I gave in; after that, all I could think of was p00n and when I'd get it again and again and again. Now that I am a bit older, I wish I could undo that. Go whack off if you need to, or go for a run and tire yourself out.

Don't give into temptation.

Wow, sounds like you blame women for your feelings of want. You're off to a great start.

Alert-Future serial killer here!!!

Lust is normal. Don't worry about what a bunch of holy rollers wrote in some book thousands of years ago. The world was a far different place back then and none of that hocus pocus crap is applicable today.

Lust is normal... that's quite a thing to say. I guess it is but that doesn't make it ok.

What's so wrong with lust? Hell, I've had some of the best sex of my life because of lust!!!

Lust is great!

 

[Kerouactivist]

No matter what just make sure you don't eat shellfish, it is an abomination....


Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.


God hates shrimp