How long before Apple goes bye bye... if ever?

[Shinji Ikari]

Most (but certainly not all) people who go for Macs, go for more than just performance. If it's really easy to use and looks pretty, then the cake icing of the "Pentium crushing performance" promise can only make them reach for their currency a lot quicker than their brains can get into gear.

As long as there are people like that around, Apple will still be with us for a while to come. I don't mind... IF they still have the capacity to innovate.

 

[Varborta]

they are bye bye to my life the day I started to learn computer

 

[Noriaki]

<< I'd also like a silent pc.. something pcs definetly don't have >>

Have you seen Leo V's TBird rig? I haven't seen Leo Vin a while but he built a rig with a TBird at 1066Mhz and a GF2MX, he has a single Panaflo L1A 80mm (21dbA) cooling the whole rig (including the power supply).

A single 21dbA fan is pretty damn quiet.

 

[benjamit]

i was surprised that the apple towers have any fans at all
the psu can run hotter than the rest of the tower so they should get rid of that fan
but the cpu has a large h/s on it with a really large slow rpm fan on that
apple should try to get rid of that fan too
the hdd sits on the case to rid the heat
i'm not too sure about the vid card if it gets too hot then it may need a h/s or fan

 

[sleepwalker]

I believe apple's greatest strengths lie in some of the things people consider weakness. For instance becasue apple does not allow 3rd party companies to manufacture macs they and they alone control the computing expeirence. It gives them a level of quality control. Have any of you actually used some of the new free mac software. Itools? Imovie? Powerful and easy to use. OS X needs work but given time will be great.

 

[smp]

I herd that the cubes melt if you put something ontop of it.. that's what I herd.. I also notice at school that the fancy clear monitors get really really hot ontop.. as a result of having not too much holes in that nice plastic case.. but yeah.. the G4 cube is all passive cooling.. I'm not into that. I like that sh!t loud.. then you know when your fan is working or not.

 

[Hanpan]

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<< Talking out of your butt again? >>



Ummm, excuse me? Is there something about my factual and explicit statement that you did not comprehend? Let me spell it out for you formula...if you take an Intel/AMD cpu and clock it down to 733 and slap in photoshop or any other 'graphics professional' software for that matter and compare it with benchmarks to a 733 G4, the Intel/AMD solution would get bludgeoned. Get it? Motorola has got those G4's tweeked big time for 3d rendering and all that crap about clock for clock gets thrown out the window when were talking about apple ay? Be consistant...if you feel the need to compare stuff clock for clock, include macs then too. Clock for clock comparisons are not a valid measurement in todays hardware arena. If they were, everyone would be buying Macs. >>




Excuse me? Theres nothing wrong with clock for clock. But you can't take a bench from photoshop and say that its the best clock for clock. One bench isn't anything. The platforms runs on completely different os's ect. With a Intel/Amd set you can run clock for clock, because the OS and everything is the same. Mac/Intel is completely different. Amd/Intel = x87 so you can run them with the same benches and get a conclusion. You are just upset because you need your P4 @ 1.7 just to beat a Pee3. If the P4 wasn't so crappy compared to the Pee3/Athlon you wouldn't have a problem with clock for clock. Even with the P4 at 2.2 and the Athlon at 1.5 the P4 still get owned in most benches(Not just one). But since it is so weak without the baby bottle(SSE2) you feel that a clock for clock isn't right. Intels own fault for making the FPU so weak. Your own fault for buying it.

Also I would like to know why clock for clock isn't valid in todays hardware?

I can't believe i'm in a arguement over something so stupid anyways. See Ya.



Jason >>



Jee, Intel is pretty studpid. Maybe you could do better. What was the market cap of the last company you ran. What products did you produce. What one has to remember is that performance is just one side of the equation. INtel is a business to make money. Sure making money and performance are correlated but I believe the p4 has a great future. Were just not quite ready for it yet. Some people have always been shortsighted and said if the current applications works better why invent something new. OF course then we'd all still sit around fires and grunt.

 

[Sword]

I agree with you that G4 are much faster in photoshop. PIII and PIV are really bad in photosop when compared to G4.

BUT, if you buy your computer for doing anything else then G4 is not faster and maybe slower than PIII on a clock for clock basis.

For a musician or a graphist I would say that G4 is a viable solution but because you can have a dual PIII 1Ghz and a great vid card for almost the same price I would say think twice before you buy a mac.

I think that people are buying mac for 1 reason. At school and at their workplace it has always been mac. As xtreme2k said, apple are in a niche market...that means that they dont need to sell as much as Dell to stay alive and make profit.

My 2 cents

 

[kcbass]

From what i've seen, mac's seem to have the edge in multimedia notebooks...

 

[Sword]

kcbass I have to agree with you.

The latest apple laptop is so great...I think they call it titanium notebook. So thin and light with a big screen and a dvd ! This is nice setup.

But I would like the hardware without the software