How long before Apple goes bye bye... if ever?

[fkloster]

<< You are just upset because you need your P4 @ 1.7 just to beat a Pee3 >>



Jason, how old are you anyways? You are acting like my 6 year old with statements like that.



<< ...But since it (P4) is so weak without the baby bottle(SSE2)... >>



Oh boy...

 

[SPAnDAU]

I have to agree with fkloster. clock for clock comparisons aren't really that valid anymore. The price/performance comparison is more appropriate right now, or even comparing the fastest each platform has to offer.

 

[bigbootydaddy]

oh come on, tell me that 17&quot; (or 18, or 21&quot LCD apple has isnt the most badass piece of hardware ever?!?!?!?

 

[benjamit]

you know to some degree it's better to get a mac
for the following reason:

with mac h/w will last longer for the end user since apple decideds when h/w upgrades (for the most part) will be available to the end user
so the end user who likes to upgrade everyweekend has no choice but to wait until the next major improvement in the apple line

for example you can only upgrade the imac/cube to a certain extent and then you just use it until it's significantly outdated

and if you like to have lots of hdd in the apple towers then you might need to get a second enclosure for the extra drives

i wish apple made towers with more bays so that everything a user would want/need can be in one box without having several ac adaptors that you plug into an extra large power stip

 

[formulav8]

I still would like to know why clock for clock would not be valid????

Flokster. I was just stooping down to the age you was acting with the first statement you said. Anyways argueing goes nowhere, so I will leave it at that.


Jason

 

[fkloster]

<< I still would like to know why clock for clock would not be valid???? >>



First off, Nothing about my first statement was immature or unapropriate in any way.

2) Your comment about my head up my arse ticked me off.

No matter how many ways I lay it out for you, you will not get it. That is why I don't explain the clock for clock thing

1) If the FASTEST cpu AMD can release at this VERY MOMENT is a 1.33mhz part &amp;

2) ...the FASTEST cpu INTEL can release at this VERY MOMENT is a 1.70mhz part then

IRREGARDLESS of performance, under no circumstance should one cripple the 1.70mhz part by lowering its speed to the nearest competition. You should test the BEST part against the BEST part. Furthermore, because Intel's current P4 pipeline and branch prediction, Intel must ramp up faster to get better performance. Lowering the clock speed is almost a double penalty: i.e. 1.3 &amp; 1.4 parts are crippled imho.

 

[zeruty]

better clock for clock performance doesn't mean anything, unless there is atleast enough clock to beat the other. G4 500mhz may be faster than a Pentium III 500Mhz, but that doesnt mean jack cause you can get a 1Ghz Pentium III, but you can't with a G4, as far as I know. what it comes down to is whole system versus whole system and price versus price

 

[formulav8]

<<

<< I still would like to know why clock for clock would not be valid???? >>



First off, Nothing about my first statement was immature or unapropriate in any way.

2) Your comment about my head up my arse ticked me off.

No matter how many ways I lay it out for you, you will not get it. That is why I don't explain the clock for clock thing

1) If the FASTEST cpu AMD can release at this VERY MOMENT is a 1.33mhz part &amp;

2) ...the FASTEST cpu INTEL can release at this VERY MOMENT is a 1.70mhz part then

IRREGARDLESS of performance, under no circumstance should one cripple the 1.70mhz part by lowering its speed to the nearest competition. You should test the BEST part against the BEST part. Furthermore, because Intel's current P4 pipeline and branch prediction, Intel must ramp up faster to get better performance. Lowering the clock speed is almost a double penalty: i.e. 1.3 &amp; 1.4 parts are crippled imho. >>





Did they not release them at those 1.3 and 1.4 speeds? So, that means its still wrong to compare a 1.3 bird agaist a 1.3 or 1.4 P4? How is that wrong? That is a speed that Intel fully released at. Also it doesn't matter what the highest speed available is. This is a tweaker board. How many people do you know that has they're cpu at factory speed? Not to many. Not even you. Also you say that Intels longer pipeline, ect. Whos fault is it the pipeline is so long? They wanted to cheat the public so much by getting the uninformed to buy for mhz instead of performance. That they crippled they're cpu to do so.



Jason

 

[fkloster]

<< better clock for clock performance doesn't mean anything, unless there is atleast enough clock to beat the other. G4 500mhz may be faster than a Pentium III 500Mhz, but that doesnt mean jack cause you can get a 1Ghz Pentium III, but you can't with a G4, as far as I know. what it comes down to is whole system versus whole system and price versus price >>



THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYIN' People love to pick apart the P4 from that angle. You don't see me pickin' apart AMD because AMD parts have 1/4 the optimized bandwidth P4's boast do you?



<< Did they not release them at those 1.3 and 1.4 speeds >>



Last time I checked, 1.3 and 1.4 parts are not Intel's flagship parts. Amd's 1.33 is... It no longer matters what the mhz speed is. Its what the fastest part is, and AMD &amp; Intel are pretty close, if not neck &amp; neck. Price/performance edge lies solely with AMD. Performance crown? Thats open for debate....

 

[smp]

That's right. I'm with Zeruty. Price for price... macs are really really expensive. I don't agree with the dell comparison either. Macs are just pretty... and people think that &quot;mac&quot; means quality.. which it does, but there is no reason why an educated consumer couldn't buy quality PC parts to put together a very quality PC.. (AMD or INTEL)
Buying a mac is like buying Sony.. you pay for the name.. (although sony makes some sweet sweet sh!t).. or more like Jaguar.. because Jaguars are expensive garbage.. but pretty!

 

[smp]

(P4's suck)...





(like, they'd be okay if they were a lot cheaper)

 

[formulav8]

<<

<< better clock for clock performance doesn't mean anything, unless there is atleast enough clock to beat the other. G4 500mhz may be faster than a Pentium III 500Mhz, but that doesnt mean jack cause you can get a 1Ghz Pentium III, but you can't with a G4, as far as I know. what it comes down to is whole system versus whole system and price versus price >>



THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYIN' People love to pick apart the P4 from that angle. You don't see me pickin' apart AMD because AMD parts have 1/4 the optimized bandwidth P4's boast do you?



<< Did they not release them at those 1.3 and 1.4 speeds >>



Last time I checked, 1.3 and 1.4 parts are not Intel's flagship parts. Amd's 1.33 is... It no longer matters what the mhz speed is. Its what the fastest part is, and AMD &amp; Intel are pretty close, if not neck &amp; neck. Price/performance edge lies solely with AMD. Performance crown? Thats open for debate.... >>




Performance crown? Well, It could go both ways. (If your comparing 1.7ghz to 1.3ghz)

The 1.3 and 1.4 cpu is still available. Your still saying it it wrong to compare a 1.2 to a 1.3 or 1.4? I don't get it. Unless your saying that its not right to compare a bird with a P4 at all.



Jason

 

[smp]

P4's are the best!

And America has the best justice system in the whole world too right?

 

[bigbootydaddy]

<< better clock for clock performance doesn't mean anything, unless there is atleast enough clock to beat the other. G4 500mhz may be faster than a Pentium III 500Mhz, but that doesnt mean jack cause you can get a 1Ghz Pentium III, but you can't with a G4, as far as I know. what it comes down to is whole system versus whole system and price versus price >>



sigh...a p3 500 does not equal a g3 500...the mhz arent related...

my damn perfoma that has 33 mhz ran warcraft2 better than my friends pentium 133 back in the days.

sorry, gotta stick up for my performa, that thing lasted me 2 years!! w00t!

 

[fkloster]

<< ...I don't get it. >>



I know you don't. I know you won't. If Intel is currently enjoying a 400mhz advantage in flagship part speed (...not performance edge mind you), then it is only fair to compare the flagships to eachother regardless of speed.

If it takes a Mercedes 600SL 12 cylinders to push 5 seconds from 0-60, and it takes a Porsche Carrera4 6 cylinders to push the same, should you replace the 600SL with a 380SL (6 cylinders) for an accurate comparison?

 

[smp]

Numbers are for dumb people... so are benchmarks... It's all about having the most expensive cool toy on the block. (that's a capital period there too)

 

[fkloster]

<< P4's are the best! >>




...hehe no sarcasm detected there ay

 

[Aihyah]

When pcs beat macs in every area.. which is not now. I want a nice looking case... maybe colorful if i want.. and convenient too. opening on the side..m/b folds down etc. I'd also like a silent pc.. something pcs definetly don't have

 

[fkloster]

<< I'd also like a silent pc.. something pcs definetly don't have >>





<< When pcs beat macs in every area.. which is not now >>



Macs are silent? Since when? ...and under which area does a G4 733 beat a 1.33 AXIA or a P4 1.7? I don't think there is one application (that supports both OSX &amp; WinME &amp;/or Win2K) that the G4 outperforms the High-End PC is there?

 

[Aihyah]

mac cube= pretty much silent.

thunderbird at 1.33ghz with masses of fans to keep system from melting = not quiet at all.

 

[benjamit]

i tell all mac fans that they are doing a good job when they spend as much money as they can on apple computers and i tell them to buy as often as their credit rating can handle

its good for apple, apple share holders and the economy

it's good to make a profit



and for the mac fans that are looking across the fence at PCs i tell them to have one or each, the top of the line

they can buy 2x the s/w also good for the economy

 

[benjamit]

the cube power supply is external like PC laptops which are just as noise free

apple should have included the psu in the cube so that it would have the heat to deal with like the apple towers and thus have to add a psu fan

 

[Aihyah]

macs keep the pc market evolving.. which is nice

 

[Eug]

<< the cube power supply is external like PC laptops which are just as noise free >>

Actually, my PC laptop is louder than a Cube, since my PC laptop has a fan. (The fan stays off usually though.)

 

[MrHelpful]

Whatever floats your boats. I prefer an AMD system because of the price, but I would love to have a P4 system if I had the cash.