Well regardless, I bought the PNY last night for a few reasons. The biggest reason was that the price was like $25 less than the leadtek. The second is that it would be cool to try the 3D glasses. I will let you know how I like it.
Hmmmm, I couldnt tell which one had better IQ because you two wouldnt stop fighting. So frankly, I dont trust either one of your opinions.
" So frankly, I dont trust either one of your opinions. "
LOL- you probably couldn't tell the difference at 12X10X32 and below. Enjoy the card.
BUT- if you ever want to go int 18X14X32, small fonts, YOU"RE IN TROUBLE!
LOL- you probably couldn't tell the difference at 12X10X32 and below. Enjoy the card.
BUT- if you ever want to go int 18X14X32, small fonts, YOU"RE IN TROUBLE!
<< Hmmmm, I couldnt tell which one had better IQ because you two wouldnt stop fighting. So frankly, I dont trust either one of your opinions. >>
Sure, heaven forbid you do some research. Whatever, if you wanted top of the line IQ you should have bought a Radeon.
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<< Hmmmm, I couldnt tell which one had better IQ because you two wouldnt stop fighting. So frankly, I dont trust either one of your opinions. >>
Sure, heaven forbid you do some research. Whatever, if you wanted top of the line IQ you should have bought a Radeon. >>
That's funny. The first question I asked was whether I should get a Geforce4 or a Radeon 8500, and everyone voted for the Geforce4. At least with the extra 20fps I can increase AA and anisotropic filtering. Also, I did research, and so far I havent seen anyone do Geforce4 IQ tests.
Metalloid:
I went from the R8500 to the PNY, and I'm not disappointed. I'm only running at a lowly 11X8X32, but to me, PNY IQ seems fine. I imagine the Gainwards might be a little better, but I haven't seen one of those on the shelf here, and there's something to be said for being able to take it back to Best Buy no questions asked if you hate it or have problems. A VGA is usually only in my box 4-8months, so if I notice myself going blind, I'll order a Gainward. Waiting for the R300.
I went from the R8500 to the PNY, and I'm not disappointed. I'm only running at a lowly 11X8X32, but to me, PNY IQ seems fine. I imagine the Gainwards might be a little better, but I haven't seen one of those on the shelf here, and there's something to be said for being able to take it back to Best Buy no questions asked if you hate it or have problems. A VGA is usually only in my box 4-8months, so if I notice myself going blind, I'll order a Gainward. Waiting for the R300.
Gainward does a bit extra with it's RF filtering to improve 2D quality over other boards. I think Leadtek jumped on this boat as well.
There are several reviews out there... I believe Anand mentions it in his GF3 roundup... Firingsquad, gamePC etc... Although no one has done a direct comparison of GF4 cards regarding 2D IQ.
Of course 2D is better with subsequent generations of boards, so whoever made that GF2 vs GF4 comment should stay on the short bus.
Most Ti4400 cards seem to OC right near Ti4600 speeds and most of the manufacturers follow the nVIDIA reference design, so you won't get a crappy card. Just get one that has a decent price and I'm sure you'll be happy.
There are several reviews out there... I believe Anand mentions it in his GF3 roundup... Firingsquad, gamePC etc... Although no one has done a direct comparison of GF4 cards regarding 2D IQ.
Of course 2D is better with subsequent generations of boards, so whoever made that GF2 vs GF4 comment should stay on the short bus.
Most Ti4400 cards seem to OC right near Ti4600 speeds and most of the manufacturers follow the nVIDIA reference design, so you won't get a crappy card. Just get one that has a decent price and I'm sure you'll be happy.
I had a Visiontek 4600 and returned it because of the terrible 2D quality at 1600 x 1200. All of the cards are more or less the same at 1154 or to some extent at 1280 but once you go above that there is a significant difference. I got a Leadtek 4400 which is much better than the POS Visiontek. To the guy that said who cares about resolutions above 1280 that is just dumb. There are a lot of us that like to do more than just play games and who have 19 or 21 monitors that can do 1600 or 1800 and would like to be able to have multiple windows open with readable text at these resolutions.
"There are a lot of us that like to do more than just play games and who have 19 or 21 monitors that can do 1600 or 1800 and would like to be able to have multiple windows open with readable text at these resolutions."
Huhuhuh. Ya, me so dumb. Me not know that nVidia sell most of their GF4 Tis to peoples looking to do work in high res, multiple windows. Huhhuh.
Nobody buy de GF4 Ti to play video game, I saw dem advertised in CAD and web design trade journals. Huhuhuh.
Give me a break Space Boy. I seriously doubt nVidia's target maket with Ti4400 is workstations.
Even if they did, I wouldn't care. The original poster made it pretty clear he was buying the card for gaming.
"Of course 2D is better with subsequent generations of boards, so whoever made that GF2 vs GF4 comment should stay on the short bus."
I hope you don't mean me, because I said the GF4 has better IQ then GF2s in surprised response to someone saying they DIDN'T.
Huhuhuh. Ya, me so dumb. Me not know that nVidia sell most of their GF4 Tis to peoples looking to do work in high res, multiple windows. Huhhuh.
Nobody buy de GF4 Ti to play video game, I saw dem advertised in CAD and web design trade journals. Huhuhuh.
Give me a break Space Boy. I seriously doubt nVidia's target maket with Ti4400 is workstations.
Even if they did, I wouldn't care. The original poster made it pretty clear he was buying the card for gaming.
"Of course 2D is better with subsequent generations of boards, so whoever made that GF2 vs GF4 comment should stay on the short bus."
I hope you don't mean me, because I said the GF4 has better IQ then GF2s in surprised response to someone saying they DIDN'T.
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Whatever, if you wanted top of the line IQ you should have bought a Radeon.
Not in 3D image quality. The GF3 owns the Radeon in terms of 3D image quality and the statement "the Radeon looks better in 3D" is a myth.
Why would you watch movies on your little computer screen?!
19" and 21" monitors are not small, especially if you sit close to them.
I'd get a Leadtek or Gainward for image quality. "
Sure thing chief. LOL
It's been consistently proven that both Gainward and Leadtek are among the best nVidia video card manufacturers in terms of 2D image quality.
Not in 3D image quality. The GF3 owns the Radeon in terms of 3D image quality and the statement "the Radeon looks better in 3D" is a myth.
Why would you watch movies on your little computer screen?!
19" and 21" monitors are not small, especially if you sit close to them.
I'd get a Leadtek or Gainward for image quality. "
Sure thing chief. LOL
It's been consistently proven that both Gainward and Leadtek are among the best nVidia video card manufacturers in terms of 2D image quality.
"19" and 21" monitors are not small,"
Really? How many years has it been since you've had a 21" tv ? I moved my 27" tv into my bedroom and bought a 32" to watch dvds on because 27" is way too small to look at that little stripe of image. IMHO 32" is way too small.
"especially if you sit close to them."
I suppose my 2.5" portable isn't small if you put it on your eyeball, but for me, the idea of watching teeny tiny movies on a 4" stripe in the middle of my 19" monitor is nuts.
" Rollo you are hilarious, haha."
Thanks, glad to give you a laugh.
Really? How many years has it been since you've had a 21" tv ? I moved my 27" tv into my bedroom and bought a 32" to watch dvds on because 27" is way too small to look at that little stripe of image. IMHO 32" is way too small.
"especially if you sit close to them."
I suppose my 2.5" portable isn't small if you put it on your eyeball, but for me, the idea of watching teeny tiny movies on a 4" stripe in the middle of my 19" monitor is nuts.
" Rollo you are hilarious, haha."
Thanks, glad to give you a laugh.
Well I got it in today. I havent noticed a real huge difference is 3D IQ but maybe it is just because the Prophet II Pro that I had actually had good IQ anyway. But, there is a huge difference in frame rates. I doubled my 3Dmark 2001 score. Is it just me, or can anyone notice a big IQ difference between high and low AA and anisotropic filtering settings? I certainly cant tell much of a difference, but maybe it will show more in games. Would it be worth it to put a blue or crystal orb and some ramsinks on this thing so I can oc it? Either way, I am happy though.
Rollo, what makes you think that you need to be a CAD designer just to run at 1600? It is nice to be able to have multiple windows of IE, ICQ, etc open. 2D quality at high resolutions is an issue judging from the number of complains on this and other boards. 21" is not small for a monitor. If you are watching DVDs you should just spend 150 bucks and get a decent DVD player instead of outputting from your computer to your TV.
Well now I dont know what is going on. My system was running fine for a few hours, but then I noticed that RivaTuner detected my core speed as like 117mhz and my memory as like 135. I decided to change from the 27.20s to the 27.70s. When installing the drivers it asked if I wanted to restart, I clicked yes and the computer froze completely, and I had to hit the reset button. I went into RivaTuner after booting and found the same speeds so I hit enable overclocking and chose to reboot to detect settings. I get past the blue Windows 98 screen, and just before getting to the desktop, the computer froze on a black screen with just a dash blinking in the upper left corner. Ctrl + Alt + Del didnt work so I was forced to hit the reset button again. This time booting up I got no video but I heard the beep from POST. I rebooted again to try to get video back and the computer is dead. Everything spins but no POST or video. What the heck happened????? Is it a dead video card?
System (most of it is new parts):
Athlon XP 1900 (new)
Abit KR7A (new)
PNY Geforce4 TI4400 (new)
Crucial 256mb DDR PC2100
Maxtor 40GB 7200rpm
Netgear NIC
Hercules Fortissimo II (new)
400w PSU
EDIT: Also, I know the monitor works because I am using it with my other computer right now.
System (most of it is new parts):
Athlon XP 1900 (new)
Abit KR7A (new)
PNY Geforce4 TI4400 (new)
Crucial 256mb DDR PC2100
Maxtor 40GB 7200rpm
Netgear NIC
Hercules Fortissimo II (new)
400w PSU
EDIT: Also, I know the monitor works because I am using it with my other computer right now.
Well I plugged everything back in and got video but froze on the blue Windows 98 screen. Oh well, since it has only been running for 3 hours I will take the easy way out and reformat. I wouldnt mind doing that anyway because of all of the problems I had. Does anyone else have the 117mhz core, 135mhz memory problem?
Perhaps during your rebooting you bu-fued your CMOS... have you tried clearing it, and then booting with a known working video card?
I'd say power, perhaps, but your 400w PSU should be more than enough for the new video card...
Doubt you fried your chip.. hmm.. I dunno.. try clearing CMOS and see what it does..
cheers,
--jb
I'd say power, perhaps, but your 400w PSU should be more than enough for the new video card...
Doubt you fried your chip.. hmm.. I dunno.. try clearing CMOS and see what it does..
cheers,
--jb
Will try clearing CMOS tommorow before I reformat. I also dont think I fried anything, but I am wondering if it even is my video card that is the problem.
"Does anyone else have the 117mhz core, 135mhz memory problem? "
I don't OC, but I installed Powerstrip to check speeds. 274/554.
Your problem will probably end when you fdisk.
I don't OC, but I installed Powerstrip to check speeds. 274/554.
Your problem will probably end when you fdisk.
Well I reinstalled Windows 98 and so far everything seems ok, only a few small problems here and there. I saw that VIA had released new 4-in-1's so I decided to use those, and I also used the new 28.32 Nvidia drivers. This might have helped somewhat. I still get the 137mhz core and 275mhz memory thing in RivaTuner. I know that 275mhz is correct for the memory, but 137mhz for the core is half of what it should be. So if I overclock one mhz on the core it will actually go up two right? How do I know what my video card is really running at now? I dont want to run at half of core speed if I dont have to.
UPDATE: I dont think it is the cpu, memory, or motherboard. I think it is the video card. Here's why. I am currently running Prime95 138fsb no problem. Has been running for about half an hour. My system temp is 23C and my CPU temp is 43.50C. I decided to run 3Dmark2001 simaltaneously with Prime95. Everything was running smooth until I got to the nature game, when I got a DirectX error. It told me to try downgrading my settings. So I put everything as low as it goes and it still fails. I also noticed that I fail the vertex shader test. Meanwhile, Prime95 is running fine with no errors. Anyone have opinions on this? Would should I do about it? Is there anything I can do to test and see if I have a defective video card?
Instead of assuming Rivatuner is right, and your card is wrong, why don't you download Powerstrip and double check it? For that matter, were't there driver revisions that let you adjust clock speed?
All driver revisions allow overclocking via Coolbits. Enable it and a new panel appears in Display Properties.
Anyway, is 3DMark the only 3D app that crashes?
Anyway, is 3DMark the only 3D app that crashes?
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