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How is the gun ban in Chicago doing?

Jeff you are assuming that liberals are capable of reason. They aren't as Chicago is a leftists wet dream when considering gun control and yet aren't willing to concede their mental error.

“The necessary consequence of man's right to life is his right to self-defense. In a civilized society, force may be used only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use. All the reasons which make the initiation of physical force an evil, make the retaliatory use of physical force a moral imperative.

If some "pacifist" society renounced the retaliatory use of force, it would be left helplessly at the mercy of the first thug who decided to be immoral. Such a society would achieve the opposite of its intention: instead of abolishing evil, it would encourage and reward it.”
― Ayn Rand, The Virtue of Selfishness
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Everything the lefties want to accomplish is possible and totally and utterly foolproof if only the right people are orchestrating it. Clearly, Rahm Emanuel is not that person or it would be working. It's all good though because intentions are what matter.
 
Silliness. Gun control in small areas without border control works quite poorly because there is basically nothing stopping people from neighboring areas from bringing in weapons.

That of course makes no statement as to if gun control works in a larger sense. Come on guys, if you are going to complain about liberal minded people being illogical about guns you can't turn around and make these ridiculous arguments.
 
eskimospy said:
Silliness. Gun control in small areas without border control works quite poorly because there is basically nothing stopping people from neighboring areas from bringing in weapons.

That of course makes no statement as to if gun control works in a larger sense. Come on guys, if you are going to complain about liberal minded people being illogical about guns you can't turn around and make these ridiculous arguments.
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Drugs are illegal. They still enter with border control. Your argument holds no water. Now let's see you reason.
 
PC Surgeon said:
Are you contending that Chicago is not a valid test bed for gun control because of no border control?
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Yes. I think you are attempting to say that the US has border control for drugs but since drugs come in that border control doesn't matter. That is not a good argument.

The cost to produce drugs is extremely low, their quality is not dependent on large scale, established facilities, they are easily hidden in transport, etc. To try and compare the two is silliness.
 
eskimospy said:
Yes. I think you are attempting to say that the US has border control for drugs but since drugs come in that border control doesn't matter. That is not a good argument.
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You can say whatever you want but the proof is in the pudding as they say. You haven't stopped drugs from entering into the US and you wont stop guns. Therefore your "controlled border" argument is worthless.

The cost to produce drugs is extremely low, their quality is not dependent on large scale, established facilities, they are easily hidden in transport, etc. To try and compare the two is silliness.
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The silliness arrives from the liberals who will not turn their minds from dishonesty to reason. Just like the above. You were shown the error in your thinking but instead of acknowledging that reality you turn to ignorance as your refuge.
 
PC Surgeon said:
You can say whatever you want but the proof is in the pudding as they say. You haven't stopped drugs from entering into the US and you wont stop guns. Therefore your "controlled border" argument is worthless.



The silliness arrives from the liberals who will not turn their minds from dishonesty to reason. Just like the above. You were shown the error in your thinking but instead of acknowledging that reality you turn to ignorance as your refuge.
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Mexico and Canada are not viable borders. Hopefully we start deferring more power to the UN and instead of nationalizing all these problems we can globalize them and actually do something effectively for a change.
 
eskimospy said:
That of course makes no statement as to if gun control works in a larger sense.
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I'm generally anti-gun-control, but you're correct that these arguments are nonsensical. Then again, you're arguing with a guy who seems to worship both Jesus and a militant atheist, so, whatever. 🙂
 
momeNt said:
Mexico and Canada are not viable borders. Hopefully we start deferring more power to the UN and instead of nationalizing all these problems we can globalize them and actually do something effectively for a change.
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Move the goalposts enough and you're bound to kick it through eventually. What is a "viable border" to you?

Thankfully the U.S. is a sovereign nation and its internal laws (especially the second amendment) will not be affected by foreign nations. You are free to seek out a country that best fits your ideals though. I hear China has strict gun control. Might like it there?
 
PC Surgeon said:
Move the goalposts enough and you're bound to kick it through eventually. What is a "viable border" to you?

Thankfully the U.S. is a sovereign nation and its internal laws (especially the second amendment) will not be affected by foreign nations. You are free to seek out a country that best fits your ideals though. I hear China has strict gun control. Might like it there?
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Border? No I favor borderless rule encompassing the whole world. Uniform laws, uniform results, no complaining about going to this place or that, because it's all the same and it will all be good.
 
So his argument is that gun control at the state is useless because you can get a gun in a border state and then you counter that drugs are a problem because they still come in from the border? Yeah you just argued his point! Lol


Btw inner city gun violence is different than mass shootings and cannot be treated the same way. Just like you can't treat check fraud the same way you treat bank fraud. Yeah both are fraud and both involve the bank but they aren't the same.

You guys should probably just skip the arguments with these posts and just post, "neiner neiner! Ha ha stupid heads", because your arguments are quite childish.
 
PC Surgeon said:
You can say whatever you want but the proof is in the pudding as they say. You haven't stopped drugs from entering into the US and you wont stop guns. Therefore your "controlled border" argument is worthless.



The silliness arrives from the liberals who will not turn their minds from dishonesty to reason. Just like the above. You were shown the error in your thinking but instead of acknowledging that reality you turn to ignorance as your refuge.
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You were shown the failure in your analogy, but instead of acknowledging that reality you turn to ignorance as your refuge.

Sigh.
 
ivwshane said:
So his argument is that gun control at the state is useless because you can get a gun in a boarder state and then you counter that drugs are a problem because they still come in from the boarder? Yeah you just argued his point! Lol
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You really need to go back and read what was typed. You either skimmed or were frothing at the mouth to spew leftist crap that you posted nonsense.

Btw inner city gun violence is different than mass shootings and cannot be treated the same way. Just like you can't treat check fraud the same way you treat bank fraud.

You guys should probably just skip the arguments with these posts and just post, "neiner neiner! Ha ha stupid heads", because your arguments are quite childish.
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1. Go back and read carefully.
2. Present your argument if you have one other than leftist drivel.
3. TYVM
 
PC Surgeon said:
You really need to go back and read what was typed. You either skimmed or were frothing at the mouth to spew leftist crap that you posted nonsense.



1. Go back and read carefully.
2. Present your argument if you have one other than leftist drivel.
3. TYVM
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Yes it's us that needs to go back and read what he wrote/s
 
eskimospy said:
You were shown the failure in your analogy, but instead of acknowledging that reality you turn to ignorance as your refuge.

Sigh.
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Your mental shutdown is disappointing but not surprising.

“Man's basic vice, the source of all his evils, is the act of unfocusing his mind, the suspension of his consciousness, which is not blindness, but the refusal to see, not ignorance, but the refusal to know.”
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CharlesKozierok said:
I'm generally anti-gun-control, but you're correct that these arguments are nonsensical. Then again, you're arguing with a guy who seems to worship both Jesus and a militant atheist, so, whatever. 🙂
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I'm probably more for gun control than you are but I'm not particularly left wing on the issue. I'm supportive of an individual's right to arm themselves despite the fact that I think doing so is pretty ineffective. I think the Constitution affords us that right though so if you're going to complain about people attacking other amendments you need to stand up for all of them.

That being said, yes. The argument that border control does not affect the movement of goods across borders is dumb.
 
momeNt said:
Border? No I favor borderless rule encompassing the whole world. Uniform laws, uniform results, no complaining about going to this place or that, because it's all the same and it will all be good.
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Thanks. You might have saved me countless hours debating you. Globalists like yourself have nothing to offer anyone supporting the Constitution.
 
eskimospy said:
Yes. I think you are attempting to say that the US has border control for drugs but since drugs come in that border control doesn't matter. That is not a good argument.

The cost to produce drugs is extremely low, their quality is not dependent on large scale, established facilities, they are easily hidden in transport, etc. To try and compare the two is silliness.
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There are 200m guns no one knows who owns and trillions of rounds of ammo. for all intents and purposes guns are as limitless as the suns ability to grow drugs so likewise all attempts to ban them will fail like drugs.

Not to mention i have tools in my garage to craft them don't even need sun or worry about monitoring electric bill like i would with drug production.
 
Zebo said:
There are 200m guns no one knows who owns and trillions of rounds of ammo. for all intents and purposes guns are as limitless as the suns ability to grow drugs so likewise all attempts to ban them will fail like drugs.

Not to mention i have tools in my garage to craft them don't even need sun or worry about monitoring electric bill like i would with drug production.
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You are expecting eskimospy to be able to reason. He cannot as demonstrated by his responses.
 
Zebo said:
There are 200m guns no one knows who owns and trillions of rounds of ammo. for all intents and purposes guns are as limitless as the suns ability to grow drugs so likewise all attempts to ban them will fail like drugs.

Not to mention i have tools in my garage to craft them don't even need sun or worry about monitoring electric bill like i would with drug production.
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The marginal cost of getting a gun is not the same as growing some pot. Guns are most certainly not effectively limitless, nor are they as easy to transport as drugs are.

Furthermore I sincerely doubt the quality or effectiveness of guns will stay the same if we're all running around with ones from Zebo's garage.
 
eskimospy said:
Silliness. Gun control in small areas without border control works quite poorly because there is basically nothing stopping people from neighboring areas from bringing in weapons.

That of course makes no statement as to if gun control works in a larger sense. Come on guys, if you are going to complain about liberal minded people being illogical about guns you can't turn around and make these ridiculous arguments.
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I love how he posts the first paragraph as if there's no possible argument for gun control out there, then in the second half insults the intelligence of anyone who believes his first paragraph. lol
 
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