How is Kim Davis (county clerk) a democrat?

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CZroe

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Genx87 said:
It is sadly predictable that Huckabee and Cruz would back such an asshole. Why is her past of cheating husbands with future husbands not being drilled upon by the MSM? Who has done more to damage the sanctity of marriage? Her or the gay people she opposes getting married? Where was her christian fanaticism when it came to cheating on her husbands?
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I thought they said that she wasn't a Christian then.
 
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Mike64

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Fanatical Meat said:
I believe that its possible (but it only happens on very rare occasions) that the courts can ban you from filing lawsuits because you have crossed the frivolous line too many times.
I wonder if that will happen here, honestly at what point is it just a utter joke.
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A court couldn't outright ban a person from filing lawsuits, but very occasionally, one will require someone to get prior judicial approval before serving and filing. But Davis is many complaints away from such an eventuality. It takes a really extreme plaintiff filing borderline (serious) craziness for that to happen... (And while I personally think Davis is clearly a nutjob, speaking objectively, her lawsuits to date aren't that kind of crazy. Wrong-headed, lacking support, borderline frivolous, yes - but not crazy crazy...:D
 
Fanatical Meat

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Mike64 said:
A court couldn't outright ban a person from filing lawsuits, but very occasionally, one will require someone to get prior judicial approval before serving and filing. But Davis is many complaints away from such an eventuality. It takes a really extreme plaintiff filing borderline (serious) craziness for that to happen... (And while I personally think Davis is clearly a nutjob, speaking objectively, her lawsuits to date aren't that kind of crazy. Wrong-headed, lacking support, borderline frivolous, yes - but not crazy crazy...:D
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That's what I was thinking of thank you.
 
Fanatical Meat

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They're in now the guy clerk appears to be pretty happy to issue one.
He as giggling and apologized for the guy in the background saying they're giving in to sin & god is waiting to forgive.
 
MomentsofSanity

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Gamingphreek said:
She is being jailed for not issuing something that violates her First Amendment right to Freedom of Religion. That said, I was also referring to, for instance, the Christian bakers that have been referenced in this thread.

Additionally, she is not appointed, nor did she apply for this job. She was elected. If she fails the population that voted her into office, the people that she directly represents, she fails them.

This is yet another inconsistency and yet another reason why the Federal Government should not be interfering in State / Local issues (in the first place). For instance, how many people were complaining when:

1. Mayors refused to prosecute or deport illegals when they were found. (Sanctuary Cities)
2. President Obama for ordering federal officers to not prosecute for marijuana and not deport illegals when found.
3. Colorado and other states when defying the Nationwide law that outlaws marijuana.

Ah, so this is only wrong when someone objects to a law for religious beliefs that doesn't comply with the Democrats preferred stance on an issue? A religious objection, ONE THING the First Amendment enumerates to individuals, is considered invalid.

-GP
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She can not use her public office, a government position, to force her religious beliefs onto others. This is the fundemental premise of the First Amendment. In Garcetti, the USSC has already ruled that rights of an individual are limited in relation to their freedeom of speech when serving as an agent of the government.

She can believe what ever she wants. She can not use her public office to force those beliefs onto others who are seeking anything afforded by the government. She is, inessence, applying a religious test to an individuals right to marry.
 
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Mike64 said:
There's not even a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. (Unless maybe she get's a better offer, like on some Bible-thumper lecture circuit...)
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You never know how it will all roll out. Hell I just got back from my deck has she refused any yet?
 
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steppinthrax

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Mike64 said:
What is she, my grandmother?:D

BIG HAIRY FUCKING DEAL! Who gives even half a rat's ass whether a state license carries the "county clerk's approval" or not?

Ya think maybe?

Well doesn't that just come as the shock of the century...
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Because those are the rules of that ass-fucked state. On my marriage cert (14 years), it has a clerk's signature. Even the envelope has the name of the clerk on the outside. It could be challenged.
 
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steppinthrax

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Mike64 said:
A court couldn't outright ban a person from filing lawsuits, but very occasionally, one will require someone to get prior judicial approval before serving and filing. But Davis is many complaints away from such an eventuality. It takes a really extreme plaintiff filing borderline (serious) craziness for that to happen... (And while I personally think Davis is clearly a nutjob, speaking objectively, her lawsuits to date aren't that kind of crazy. Wrong-headed, lacking support, borderline frivolous, yes - but not crazy crazy...:D
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I think in terms of "contempt of court" there are little guidelines. Judges can hold people in contempt almost forever!!! There was an interesting movie made years ago about a reporter who wouldn't reveal the name of a child who outed a CIA agent (working undercover). The judge kept calling her back in compelling her. He then held her in contempt, She was in jail for most of the movie. I don't know if it's a true story, but the movie made a point by showing how contempt can be abused in some cases....

In this case I think there is no abuse of the legal system going on because she (at this point) will be breaking court orders. You can break court orders for the rest of you're life and keep getting called back into court. At this point it's not some person v.s. her is the state v.s. her....
 
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Mike64

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steppinthrax said:
Because those are the rules of that ass-fucked state. On my marriage cert (14 years), it has a clerk's signature. Even the envelope has the name of the clerk on the outside. It could be challenged.
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The Kentucky Attorney General (the state's chief law enforcement officer) doesn't seem to think so...
 
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steppinthrax

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Mike64 said:
The Kentucky Attorney General (the state's chief law enforcement officer) doesn't seem to think so...
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If it eventually works out that way then good.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, because if she does challenge it.

THEN

Every straight couple's marriage certificate w/o her signature is therefore invalid?????? Pretty interesting situation.
 
Fanatical Meat

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steppinthrax said:
I think in terms of "contempt of court" there are little guidelines. Judges can hold people in contempt almost forever!!! There was an interesting movie made years ago about a reporter who wouldn't reveal the name of a child who outed a CIA agent (working undercover). The judge kept calling her back in compelling her. He then held her in contempt, She was in jail for most of the movie. I don't know if it's a true story, but the movie made a point by showing how contempt can be abused in some cases....

In this case I think there is no abuse of the legal system going on because she (at this point) will be breaking court orders. You can break court orders for the rest of you're life and keep getting called back into court. At this point it's not some person v.s. her is the state v.s. her....
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The Judge stated the goal was to have the county issue marriage certificates again and that goal has been reached.
 
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Mike64

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steppinthrax said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_court#United_States

Read this section on the U.S

Content of Court allows the bypass of due process. The longest someone has been held in contempt was 14 years!!!!
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Don't quit your day job to become a lawyer on the Interwebs. Note that Chadwick lost in the Third Circuit. The fact that the decision reported in Chadwick v. Janecka (3d Cir. 2002) and the subsequent (not to mention prior) court proceedings exist at all clearly establishes that Chadwick did, in fact, receive "due process."

"Due process" doesn't mean you get what you want, when you want it, it means you're entitled to have your case heard by courts of appropriate jurisdiction. Even the State court that subsequently released Chadwick did not find his incarceration up to that point unlawful, inappropriate or even questionable, since he continually refused to obey a valid court order during the entire period. Even that court did not accept his statement that he was unable to comply with the order, it simply held that continuing his incarceration after that point would be ineffectual, and therefore legally inappropriate.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti

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How is this ignorant, bigoted woman not back in jail? She's refusing to do her job. Granted she's letting others issue same sex marriage licenses, but she is standing by her 'convictions'
 
Fanatical Meat

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Sheik Yerbouti said:
How is this ignorant, bigoted woman not back in jail? She's refusing to do her job. Granted she's letting others issue same sex marriage licenses, but she is standing by her 'convictions'
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The goal is to have licenses issued not to have her issue them.
I truly believe she is wrong but its not relevant who issues them assuming they're legal.
 
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