Queasy
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Yes, that explains why it was 78 degrees in Atlanta during the middle of August yesterday. And why we've only had a couple of days over 90.
The heatwave is attributed to the jetstream. It is in an abnormal position this summer which caused a heat bubble to hover over Europe and pushed cooler air into the southeast United States.
There are way too many factors that go into weather to say that this is 'Global Warming'.
MOstly the young and elderly are affected by the heat. Its not uncommon to have people out here die from the heat.
WE have had several people so far this year die as a result of heat. As far as France is concerned this heat they are getting is
very unusal and many people are not used to it. Its the dehydration thats killing them. When it gets that warm you have to dring
a lot of water.
Its like when we had some boys (men) from Ala. come out here to do some work uprange and they had some trouble in adapting.
Seems they had trouble breathing. I guess the air was a bit thin for those boys at the work site. It didn't bother
me but I lived and worked everyday at 4000 feet ASL (above sea level)but I guess working at 9500 feet ASL was a
bit much for them. HAd they tried to do something very strenuous during their first week they would have died. Same as
if you work too hard in the heat without rest or water.
WE have had several people so far this year die as a result of heat. As far as France is concerned this heat they are getting is
very unusal and many people are not used to it. Its the dehydration thats killing them. When it gets that warm you have to dring
a lot of water.
Its like when we had some boys (men) from Ala. come out here to do some work uprange and they had some trouble in adapting.
Seems they had trouble breathing. I guess the air was a bit thin for those boys at the work site. It didn't bother
me but I lived and worked everyday at 4000 feet ASL (above sea level)but I guess working at 9500 feet ASL was a
bit much for them. HAd they tried to do something very strenuous during their first week they would have died. Same as
if you work too hard in the heat without rest or water.
It is France, you know, they have no clue that they should drink lots and lots of water intead of more wine
The heatwave in Chicago killed 700 people, and lasted just 3 days. Temps were about 98 degrees.
100 people have died in Paris during this heatwave, which has lasted 19 days. Temps have been about 100..
Now tell me who the wussies are.
100 people have died in Paris during this heatwave, which has lasted 19 days. Temps have been about 100..
Now tell me who the wussies are.
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
What's the big deal? They're just French people
Jason
Hillarious, i am sure you would have appreciated french people saying something along those lines two years ago. Just because the fench goverment actually listened to the majority of their population (who were against the war) doesn't mean that jokes like that are justified.
I know that you have been trolling all day, but did you have to resort to something so infantile?
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
What's the big deal? They're just French people
Jason
sick:disgust:
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
What's the big deal? They're just French people
I wish we would have taken that position in the 40's now.
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
What's the big deal? They're just French people
I wish we would have taken that position in the 40's now.
even more sick:disgust:
How is that sick? The selfish people of France enjoy the liberty to bash America because we gave them that liberty by overthrowing a brutal dictator; when it comes time to overthrow another dictator and give the Iraqi people the very same liberty the French enjoy, France objects...how easily they forget. Honestly, I wish another country would goose-step through the Arc and we just say, "Sorry, French, but you do not let America fly over your country with military planes any more; sorry, but you are on your own...for once."
Nitemare
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A/C is a relatively new phenomenon, before that people only had fans. Before electricity was largely popular there were not even fans. I do not recall hearing of mass deaths in the Southwest and Southeast because of heatwaves even before the implementation of A/C and electricity. This is because we have become weak because of technological innovations and genetic imbreeding(France and West Virginia).
I think most of the reasons for heat-induced epidemics have been mentioned. Obviously most of those risk factors exist just about everywhere without incident, but I think when you have *all* of them coming together at once it's just too much to handle. In Chicago's case we had:
1) Power shortages --> No A/C or even fans.
2) Water shortages --> No showers or baths, and in some cases not even enough water pressure to rinse one's face.
3) Health care shortages --> Too many heat stroke victims for hospitals to take in, or even for emergency crews to reach in time.
4) Victims unaccustomed to extreme heat --> Chicago usually has hot, humid summers, but '95 was exceptional. Extreme temps can be gradually adapted to, but without amenities like water and cooling it may be tough for an adult who has been acclimated to 90ish summer temps their entire life to easily handle a heat index of 125.
5) Urban environment --> No trees to shade buildings or evaporate heat. Black streets hit 170+ degrees and radiate heat into the surrounding air. Dark roofs of buildings do the same, but additionally heat is also transferred into interior rooms (especially in older or poorly built structures). Smog increases (bad news for those with respiratory problems, particularly since many had their windows open for cooling (a futile gesture anyway without any breeze to speak of)).
6) Weak victims --> The young, elderly or infirm are always most susceptible to illness, so naturally that vulnerability extends to heat-induced conditions. I believe the elderly formed the bulk of the Chicago body count.
7) Isolated victims --> Not coincidentally, those weakest of people are also the most isolated in our society. They live alone and have no family (at least none that care) to provide assistance or even check in to see how they're doing.
8) Poor victims --> Even before the shortages much of the lower class already lacked A/C, health insurance, etc. In '95 the homeless were hit worst IIRC.
9) Lack of respect for heat's killing power --> I think many Chicagoans refused to accept that so many deaths could be due to heat, so their response was nonchalant (if it came at all). Nobody took the threat seriously. It was almost viewed as just another weather-related inconvenience, no more serious than a week of heavy rains.
You would think people today would be more enlightened, but clearly that is not the case. This thread is a great example of how many folks still think heat is no big deal, and that if you can't handle it you must be a "wuss." As a result many don't bother to take proper precautions, and anyone who complains about suffering from the heat is ridiculed rather than helped. Certainly Americans who follow sports know about how many football players have died recently during hot practices. These were athletic men in peak physical condition during the prime of their lives, and in most cases temps during those fatal practices were nowhere near 100, but none of that prevented their deaths. All they had to do was ask their coach for a water break and some shade, but that wasn't a "macho" thing to do so they died.
It should also be pointed out that increased heat-related fatalities are only part of the equation. Nowadays there is also increased awareness of heat as even being a potential cause of death. People always brag about "back in the day" when they supposedly handled high temps with no problem, but I'd be willing to bet that heat-related death rates then were no different than they are now (if anything they were worse without modern technology and health care). They just were not recognized and/or widely reported. Even today though thousands die in the U.S. every year from heat waves press coverage of those fatalities is minimal; the Chicago and France epidemics are only singled out because of their unusually large scales.
1) Power shortages --> No A/C or even fans.
2) Water shortages --> No showers or baths, and in some cases not even enough water pressure to rinse one's face.
3) Health care shortages --> Too many heat stroke victims for hospitals to take in, or even for emergency crews to reach in time.
4) Victims unaccustomed to extreme heat --> Chicago usually has hot, humid summers, but '95 was exceptional. Extreme temps can be gradually adapted to, but without amenities like water and cooling it may be tough for an adult who has been acclimated to 90ish summer temps their entire life to easily handle a heat index of 125.
5) Urban environment --> No trees to shade buildings or evaporate heat. Black streets hit 170+ degrees and radiate heat into the surrounding air. Dark roofs of buildings do the same, but additionally heat is also transferred into interior rooms (especially in older or poorly built structures). Smog increases (bad news for those with respiratory problems, particularly since many had their windows open for cooling (a futile gesture anyway without any breeze to speak of)).
6) Weak victims --> The young, elderly or infirm are always most susceptible to illness, so naturally that vulnerability extends to heat-induced conditions. I believe the elderly formed the bulk of the Chicago body count.
7) Isolated victims --> Not coincidentally, those weakest of people are also the most isolated in our society. They live alone and have no family (at least none that care) to provide assistance or even check in to see how they're doing.
8) Poor victims --> Even before the shortages much of the lower class already lacked A/C, health insurance, etc. In '95 the homeless were hit worst IIRC.
9) Lack of respect for heat's killing power --> I think many Chicagoans refused to accept that so many deaths could be due to heat, so their response was nonchalant (if it came at all). Nobody took the threat seriously. It was almost viewed as just another weather-related inconvenience, no more serious than a week of heavy rains.
You would think people today would be more enlightened, but clearly that is not the case. This thread is a great example of how many folks still think heat is no big deal, and that if you can't handle it you must be a "wuss." As a result many don't bother to take proper precautions, and anyone who complains about suffering from the heat is ridiculed rather than helped. Certainly Americans who follow sports know about how many football players have died recently during hot practices. These were athletic men in peak physical condition during the prime of their lives, and in most cases temps during those fatal practices were nowhere near 100, but none of that prevented their deaths. All they had to do was ask their coach for a water break and some shade, but that wasn't a "macho" thing to do so they died.
It should also be pointed out that increased heat-related fatalities are only part of the equation. Nowadays there is also increased awareness of heat as even being a potential cause of death. People always brag about "back in the day" when they supposedly handled high temps with no problem, but I'd be willing to bet that heat-related death rates then were no different than they are now (if anything they were worse without modern technology and health care). They just were not recognized and/or widely reported. Even today though thousands die in the U.S. every year from heat waves press coverage of those fatalities is minimal; the Chicago and France epidemics are only singled out because of their unusually large scales.
Is everyone going to ignore the fact that a similar, even less extreme heat wave hit Chicago not too long ago and wiped out more people in a comparably sized region?
Good post exp.
Syringer, "only" 733 died in Chicago in 95:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/06/heat.death.study/
Syringer, "only" 733 died in Chicago in 95:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/06/heat.death.study/
I lived in Chicago in 95. IIRC it was mostly, if not all, elderly or people with heart conditions. Old folks would just sit there and bear it...
Up to 5,00 people died in France area now. French Official resigns from the pressure.
They said it was mainly family members and neighbors not checking on elderly in the 104 degree heat, so how is that the Governments fault?
They said it was mainly family members and neighbors not checking on elderly in the 104 degree heat, so how is that the Governments fault?
..because the government is an end-all, cure all to the ills of Socialist life; no one has to take personal responsibility, but it must be someone's fault, right? Why not blame the government, like the people in this country do...
I thought this was George W. Bush's fault? Isn't it?
But even if it isn't, the conspiracy-loving french will find some reason to blame it on us. Either that, or they'll drink more wine and and make a philosophical declaration.
But even if it isn't, the conspiracy-loving french will find some reason to blame it on us. Either that, or they'll drink more wine and and make a philosophical declaration.
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