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How in the hell can 3000 *EDIT Now it's 5000* people die due to heat?

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It blows my mind.....granted the temp is 25 degrees or so above normal....but come on....3000 dead because of it? That's just amazing. People here, Oklahoma, live and work in those kind of conditions on a daily basis during the summer and we aren't dropping dead. In some of the poor parts of the state there are many, many people without AC and they are making it just fine. Same thing in the other Southern states in the U.S.
 
not used to it I guess, I'm used to about 10-20°c, highest I have been to is 32°c and that was just too much for me
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
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It blows my mind.....granted the temp is 25 degrees or so above normal....but come on....3000 dead because of it? That's just amazing. People here, Oklahoma, live and work in those kind of conditions on a daily basis during the summer and we aren't dropping dead. In some of the poor parts of the state there are many, many people without AC and they are making it just fine. Same thing in the other Southern states in the U.S.
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because we are just weenie european treehuggers and you guys are strong USA male macho man



 
I remember summers here used to be 105F all the time and we would be outside running around playing etc, just drink water, I don't see the big problem...
 
*Waits to see if Moonbeam will chime in with a glib comment about these deaths or if he only saves them for the deaths of US soldiers.*
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So what percentage of people in OK have A/C and are used to those temperatures?
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Acclimation is probably the key (I'm not a doctor) but 3000 seems like a lot. Wasn't it in Chicago a couple of years ago 200 people died because of the heat? The situation in France is tragic.
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
*Waits to see if Moonbeam will chime in with a glib comment about these deaths or if he only saves them for the deaths of US soldiers.*
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Why? You just brought up the inane all on your own.


Anyway Dave,

Most of those who have died never had to contend with this kind of heat. I am afraid it is very much a Darwinian kind of event. Some might eventually adapt, but many would never make it. The elderly and young are always the ones who suffer most. The only way around this would be A/C, but with such a mild climate, that really is not an option. A/C for practical purposes does not exist.
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
*Waits to see if Moonbeam will chime in with a glib comment about these deaths or if he only saves them for the deaths of US soldiers.*
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A/C for practical purposes does not exist.
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"Paris morgues are full, according to the city's funeral services chief, and air conditioned tents have been set up to hold bodies of the dead."
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
*Waits to see if Moonbeam will chime in with a glib comment about these deaths or if he only saves them for the deaths of US soldiers.*
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A/C for practical purposes does not exist.
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"Paris morgues are full, according to the city's funeral services chief, and air conditioned tents have been set up to hold bodies of the dead."
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Notice "for practical purposes". When someone figures out how to get millions into those tents alive, then you have it in a practical sense.
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So what percentage of people in OK have A/C and are used to those temperatures?
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Not sure about the percentages....but I know there are portions of the state, mainly in the Southeastern, Western, and Panhandle areas where most of the people do not have AC. There are of course areas in Tulsa, where I live, that have a large population of people that do not have AC due to economic conditions. There is actually a program, run by the Salvation Army I believe, that supplies people who cannot afford AC with window units during the summer. Like everywhere else there was a time when probably 95% of the population didn't have AC here. When my parent's were younger(Dad was born in 1937, Mom in 1947) they, much like everyone else, had no AC and worked/played in the fields all day without issue. I'm sure it's a matter of acclimation, but the 3000 still blows my mind. Heck my Grandmother is 84 and she works in the yard/garden/flower garden all day during the summer and it doesn't phase her. It's tragic that all those people are dying in France....I can't help but think though if some of them are dying not only of the heat, but also poor health care. A friend of mine lived just outside of Paris for about 3 years and the medical care available there terrified her.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So what percentage of people in OK have A/C and are used to those temperatures?
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Not sure about the percentages....but I know there are portions of the state, mainly in the Southeastern, Western, and Panhandle areas where most of the people do not have AC. There are of course areas in Tulsa, where I live, that have a large population of people that do not have AC due to economic conditions. There is actually a program, run by the Salvation Army I believe, that supplies people who cannot afford AC with window units during the summer. Like everywhere else there was a time when probably 95% of the population didn't have AC here. When my parent's were younger(Dad was born in 1937, Mom in 1947) they, much like everyone else, had no AC and worked/played in the fields all day without issue. I'm sure it's a matter of acclimation, but the 3000 still blows my mind. Heck my Grandmother is 84 and she works in the yard/garden/flower garden all day during the summer and it doesn't phase her. It's tragic that all those people are dying in France....I can't help but think though if some of them are dying not only of the heat, but also poor health care. A friend of mine lived just outside of Paris for about 3 years and the medical care available there terrified her.
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I can't speak to health care in France, but my mothers family is from down south, and I remember my grandmother gardening in 100+ heat like yours. BTW, older people from the south are more likely to die from cold effects if brought to, say, VT where I lived for some years. I split kindling when it was -45. The chance of a heart attack is elevated in those conditions, but we had 80 year olds doing it just fine. Yeah, it all sucks when people die from this crap.
 
just a couple years ago 600 people died in Chicago during a heatwave.

Since then they've setup cooling centers and a proactive outreach to the elderly during heat alerts.


Correction: 739 people died in 1995.
 
Because they are French.
The French are willing to die for anything at any time.
Unless they have enough time to surrender.
(This is sarcasm, by the way)
 
Originally posted by: jjsole
just a couple years ago 600 people died in Chicago during a heatwave.

Since then they've setup cooling centers and a proactive outreach to the elderly during heat alerts.


<STRONG>Correction: <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/weather/Story/0,2763,777537,00.html" target=blank>739 people</A> died in 1995.</STRONG>
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That amazes me as well....like someone said....it's Darwinism at work I suppose....

 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So what percentage of people in OK have A/C and are used to those temperatures?
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Not sure about the percentages....but I know there are portions of the state, mainly in the Southeastern, Western, and Panhandle areas where most of the people do not have AC. There are of course areas in Tulsa, where I live, that have a large population of people that do not have AC due to economic conditions. There is actually a program, run by the Salvation Army I believe, that supplies people who cannot afford AC with window units during the summer. Like everywhere else there was a time when probably 95% of the population didn't have AC here. When my parent's were younger(Dad was born in 1937, Mom in 1947) they, much like everyone else, had no AC and worked/played in the fields all day without issue. I'm sure it's a matter of acclimation, but the 3000 still blows my mind. Heck my Grandmother is 84 and she works in the yard/garden/flower garden all day during the summer and it doesn't phase her. It's tragic that all those people are dying in France....I can't help but think though if some of them are dying not only of the heat, but also poor health care. A friend of mine lived just outside of Paris for about 3 years and the medical care available there terrified her.
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well urban areas are typically hotter than the countryside
layers of smog anyone?
more cement and buildings to absorb the heat and lack of AC, this doesnt take a genius. its the same reason when chicago has a heat wave ppl die there too.

i happen to live in the panhandle of OK and the average income of this county (beaver) is 38,000 dollars a year
you tell me that most ppl dont have AC out here with that kind of average income level, i fall well below that avg and i have AC. texas county's avg income is higher than beaver's avg income too. even though our humidity rarely gets above 40% and the heat index isnt as much as a factor as downstate, you still need AC, it was 108 last week.

you are probably right about SE OK, that is most poverty ridden part of the state.

oh and here in OK we also have natual AC. that wind never stops my man, you should know this.
what can i say? kansas sucks and texas blows to quote an old joke.



 
Originally posted by: jjsole
just a couple years ago 600 people died in Chicago during a heatwave.
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Doesn't seem to mention how much higher the temp was than average temperatures. It looks the resulting power outtages and water shortage contibuted quite a bit.

I'm sure much of the situation in these heat waves has to do with the segment of elderly and other people with more fragile health situations just not being prepared for extremely abnormal temperatures.

If these same people lived in Arizona then they would expect the heat an plan accordingly.


 
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So what percentage of people in OK have A/C and are used to those temperatures?
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Not sure about the percentages....but I know there are portions of the state, mainly in the Southeastern, Western, and Panhandle areas where most of the people do not have AC. There are of course areas in Tulsa, where I live, that have a large population of people that do not have AC due to economic conditions. There is actually a program, run by the Salvation Army I believe, that supplies people who cannot afford AC with window units during the summer. Like everywhere else there was a time when probably 95% of the population didn't have AC here. When my parent's were younger(Dad was born in 1937, Mom in 1947) they, much like everyone else, had no AC and worked/played in the fields all day without issue. I'm sure it's a matter of acclimation, but the 3000 still blows my mind. Heck my Grandmother is 84 and she works in the yard/garden/flower garden all day during the summer and it doesn't phase her. It's tragic that all those people are dying in France....I can't help but think though if some of them are dying not only of the heat, but also poor health care. A friend of mine lived just outside of Paris for about 3 years and the medical care available there terrified her.
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well urban areas are typically hotter than the countryside
layers of smog anyone?
more cement and buildings to absorb the heat and lack of AC, this doesnt take a genius. its the same reason when chicago has a heat wave ppl die there too.

i happen to live in the panhandle of OK and the average income of this county (beaver) is 38,000 dollars a year
you tell me that most ppl dont have AC out here with that kind of average income level, i fall well below that avg and i have AC. texas county's avg income is higher than beaver's avg income too. even though our humidity rarely gets above 40% and the heat index isnt as much as a factor as downstate, you still need AC, it was 108 last week.

you are probably right about SE OK, that is most poverty ridden part of the state.

oh and here in OK we also have natual AC. that wind never stops my man, you should know this.
what can i say? kansas sucks and texas blows to quote an old joke.
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Yeah....you guys do get a constant breeze in the Western parts of the state...I went to college at OSU in Stillwater and I don't think the wind stopped blowing the whole time I was there. I wasn't aware that the Panhandle areas were doing that well.....I work with a guy from Guymon and he, along with my 4 or 5 trips through the area, is what I was basing my statement about AC in the Panhandle on....from what he was telling me AC was a rare thing out there.

 
well im an OSU man myself
go pokes
but anyways, that natural gas boom has helped out this region tremendously
and ive only lived out here a year, i got a job right out of college out here, suprsingly enough.
its not my first choice of places to live thats for sure.
so your coworker could be right, that very well couldve been the case in the 60s or 70s
but in my experiences out here most have AC.
or at least a swamp cooler if nothing else.
there are some caviats to the high average incomes....for one beaver county has 6000 ppl give or take, a few millionaires can up that avg pretty fast.
sorry im rambling.

 
I can't stand temps over 75. Over 85 I get heat stroke almost immediately. I've been hospitalized three times for it in the last 10 years. And I NEVER go outside when it's warm...these things happen to me indoors, in cars, with air conditioning. Hot weather is death to many people, period.
 
When I was in Germany in 1976 they had a tremendous heatwave and many people dropped like flies. I think it is partially because they consume so much alcohol.
 
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