How *important* are Graphics to you?

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I know how you feel - I just couldn't get into System Shock 2 because it looked butt ugly.

In particular the bird beaks on enemies killed any sense of immersion.

it was made *tolerable* by texture packs and 10x7 ... or maybe higher ?

otoh ... 16bit colour ... that washed-out look certainly didn't help - even though there are colour mods which help.

it had *immersion* ... but i wished for better gfx ... and a better GUI [Dark Horse is perfect for Thief but nor for faster rpg/fps games] ... it is my *minimum* to play.

PS:T is WAY [way] below it
--it is painful for me to play

 

[dighn]

important but I don't let it get in the way of a good game. I played SNES RPGs after playing games like ut 2k3

 

[BucNews]

I think that the key to any game is good gameplay.

I thought PS:Torment was an excellent game despite its graphic engine. Though I have to say that Guild Wars and Lord of the Rings Online are much more immersive.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BucNews
I think that the key to any game is good gameplay.

I thought PS:Torment was an excellent game despite its graphic engine. Though I have to say that Guild Wars and Lord of the Rings Online are much more immersive.

of course ... but if you can not *start* the game due to it's ugly gfx' engine - nothing is there to 'pull you in'

--or like NWN2 it is so buggy, you give up due to frustration
[i hung tough thru to the Endings]

and - also - as you bring up, there are modern and better games

Perhaps that why i spent over $700 to upgrade my *dead end* AGP system this month -
[x1950p/512m ... OCZ 850w PS ... 3.4EE P4] ... for *new* games

anyone want my copy of PS:T ? ...
... for shipping costs

 

[natethegreat]

Originally posted by: apoppin

anyone want my copy of PS:T ? ...
... for shipping costs

you have pm

 

[KeithTalent]

Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

Hmmm, maybe I can find it in a bargain bin somewhere to try it again.

Since I am a much more mature gamer now then I was when I first tried it ...who knows, maybe I'll actually like it this time

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

I played Painkiller right until the end it was fair IMHO nothing special,as to Planescape Torment ,thing you have to remember is when it was first released graphics were very good for its time,nowadays you are spoiled by graphics from games like Oblivion etc.... so yes it will look terrible.I'm playing BG right now, after awhile you get used to the graphics,yes it takes time but if you have a good gameplay/story you can normally look pass the graphics.

FYI I still play XCOM-UFO Defence and the graphics in that are very bad but gameplay is just awesome.

 

[Bateluer]

Wow, Apoppin, you really have no attention span, do you?

How far did you get in Torment before you sold it?

Btw, PST can be made slightly prettier by running it on a 15in display, preferably a CRT with a good refresh rate. Large LCDs tend to stretch the 640x480 image out and make the text, as well as objects and backgrounds, blurry. I have to play all the Infinity engine games, except for IWD2, on my 15in LCD.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

I played Painkiller right until the end it was fair IMHO nothing special,as to Planescape Torment ,thing you have to remember is when it was first released graphics were very good for its time,nowadays you are spoiled by graphics from games like Oblivion etc.... so yes it will look terrible.I'm playing BG right now, after awhile you get used to the graphics,yes it takes time but if you have a good gameplay/story you can normally look pass the graphics.

did you find all the *secret areas* and UNlock the two extra levels?

did you find all the undocumented *weapons combos*?
or find those mind-boggling jumps with the Havok Engine?

i doubt it ... you tend to approach games you don't care for very superficially ...
:roll:

PK is something *special* and i think it blew right past you ...

and KT ... i *have* PK/BoOH

for trade

EDIT: not very long, Bateluer ... after i got a headache and my eyes started to water - i gave up

attention span?

what were we talking about?


well, i managed to give Oblivion over 1,200 hours ... so i guess my attention can "span" a few hours
:Q

and i thought of running PS:T in a window ...

but Redemption is Unplayed [and pretty good] ... and i found NightFire 007

STALKER is out soon

and i haven't finished Fable [as bad] or played the Fear Xpack

yeah *i give up* on PS:T

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

I played Painkiller right until the end it was fair IMHO nothing special,as to Planescape Torment ,thing you have to remember is when it was first released graphics were very good for its time,nowadays you are spoiled by graphics from games like Oblivion etc.... so yes it will look terrible.I'm playing BG right now, after awhile you get used to the graphics,yes it takes time but if you have a good gameplay/story you can normally look pass the graphics.

did you find all the *secret areas* and UNlock the two extra levels?

did you find all the undocumented *weapons combos*?
or find those mind-boggling jumps with the Havok Engine?

i doubt it ... you tend to approach games you don't care for very superficially ...
:roll:

PK is something *special* and i think it blew right past you ...

and KT ... i *have* PK/BoOH

for trade

EDIT: not very long, Batelauer ... after i got a headache and my eyes started to water - i gave up

and i thought of running it in a window ...

but the Redemption is Unplayed [and pretty good] ... and i found NightFire

STALKER is out soon

and i haven't finished Fable [as bad] or played the Fear Xpack

yeah *i give up* on PS:T

Finding all the areas or secret levels is not going to change what I think of the game.You may think its a great game I DON'T,you have to respect other people's opinions,you can't expect everybody to agree with you .

Btw I did put a lot of hours in PK and found a lot of secret areas,don't judge other people by your standards that's not right or even fair,we all all have our own views and expectations when it comes to games.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

I played Painkiller right until the end it was fair IMHO nothing special,as to Planescape Torment ,thing you have to remember is when it was first released graphics were very good for its time,nowadays you are spoiled by graphics from games like Oblivion etc.... so yes it will look terrible.I'm playing BG right now, after awhile you get used to the graphics,yes it takes time but if you have a good gameplay/story you can normally look pass the graphics.

did you find all the *secret areas* and UNlock the two extra levels?

did you find all the undocumented *weapons combos*?
or find those mind-boggling jumps with the Havok Engine?

i doubt it ... you tend to approach games you don't care for very superficially ...
:roll:

PK is something *special* and i think it blew right past you ...

and KT ... i *have* PK/BoOH

for trade

EDIT: not very long, Batelauer ... after i got a headache and my eyes started to water - i gave up

and i thought of running it in a window ...

but the Redemption is Unplayed [and pretty good] ... and i found NightFire

STALKER is out soon

and i haven't finished Fable [as bad] or played the Fear Xpack

yeah *i give up* on PS:T

Finding all the areas or secret levels is not going to change what I think of the game.You may think its a great game I DON'T,you have to respect other people's opinions,you can't expect everybody to agree with you .

doesn't change my opinion of your superficial gloss over PK

there is *depth* in PK you simply are unaware of .. and you relegated it -wrongly - to 'twitch shooter' ...

that's all

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

I played Painkiller right until the end it was fair IMHO nothing special,as to Planescape Torment ,thing you have to remember is when it was first released graphics were very good for its time,nowadays you are spoiled by graphics from games like Oblivion etc.... so yes it will look terrible.I'm playing BG right now, after awhile you get used to the graphics,yes it takes time but if you have a good gameplay/story you can normally look pass the graphics.

did you find all the *secret areas* and UNlock the two extra levels?

did you find all the undocumented *weapons combos*?
or find those mind-boggling jumps with the Havok Engine?

i doubt it ... you tend to approach games you don't care for very superficially ...
:roll:

PK is something *special* and i think it blew right past you ...

and KT ... i *have* PK/BoOH

for trade

EDIT: not very long, Batelauer ... after i got a headache and my eyes started to water - i gave up

and i thought of running it in a window ...

but the Redemption is Unplayed [and pretty good] ... and i found NightFire

STALKER is out soon

and i haven't finished Fable [as bad] or played the Fear Xpack

yeah *i give up* on PS:T

Finding all the areas or secret levels is not going to change what I think of the game.You may think its a great game I DON'T,you have to respect other people's opinions,you can't expect everybody to agree with you .

doesn't change my opinion of your superficial gloss over PK

there is *depth* in PK you simply are unaware of .. and you relegated it -wrongly - to 'twitch shooter' ...

that's all

Whatever.... my opinion still remains the same,I actually enjoyed games like Unreal,Undying(awesome game) more then PK.

 

[Ultralight]

Ultralight gets soda, popcorn and a lawn chair as apoppin and Mem have another go-at-it session. Promises to be entertaining.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

I played Painkiller right until the end it was fair IMHO nothing special,as to Planescape Torment ,thing you have to remember is when it was first released graphics were very good for its time,nowadays you are spoiled by graphics from games like Oblivion etc.... so yes it will look terrible.I'm playing BG right now, after awhile you get used to the graphics,yes it takes time but if you have a good gameplay/story you can normally look pass the graphics.

did you find all the *secret areas* and UNlock the two extra levels?

did you find all the undocumented *weapons combos*?
or find those mind-boggling jumps with the Havok Engine?

i doubt it ... you tend to approach games you don't care for very superficially ...
:roll:

PK is something *special* and i think it blew right past you ...

and KT ... i *have* PK/BoOH

for trade

EDIT: not very long, Batelauer ... after i got a headache and my eyes started to water - i gave up

and i thought of running it in a window ...

but the Redemption is Unplayed [and pretty good] ... and i found NightFire

STALKER is out soon

and i haven't finished Fable [as bad] or played the Fear Xpack

yeah *i give up* on PS:T

Finding all the areas or secret levels is not going to change what I think of the game.You may think its a great game I DON'T,you have to respect other people's opinions,you can't expect everybody to agree with you .

doesn't change my opinion of your superficial gloss over PK

there is *depth* in PK you simply are unaware of .. and you relegated it -wrongly - to 'twitch shooter' ...

that's all

Whatever.... my opinion still remains the same,I actually enjoyed games like Unreal,Undying(awesome game) more then PK.

so does mine .. no wonder you play games over-and-over



Mr RPG

too bad D&D seems to be dying

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, Painkiller was just abysmal.

I think the whole "atmosphere" or whatever it was actually depressed me. I felt sad after playing that game for even a few minutes

KT

PK/BoOH is one of the *very best* FPS titles - ever

one of the extremely rare titles with real hidden *depth* ... too bad you couldn't hang with it

i feel as bad for you not playing PK as you do for me not playing PS:T

--replied to PM, Nate

I played Painkiller right until the end it was fair IMHO nothing special,as to Planescape Torment ,thing you have to remember is when it was first released graphics were very good for its time,nowadays you are spoiled by graphics from games like Oblivion etc.... so yes it will look terrible.I'm playing BG right now, after awhile you get used to the graphics,yes it takes time but if you have a good gameplay/story you can normally look pass the graphics.

did you find all the *secret areas* and UNlock the two extra levels?

did you find all the undocumented *weapons combos*?
or find those mind-boggling jumps with the Havok Engine?

i doubt it ... you tend to approach games you don't care for very superficially ...
:roll:

PK is something *special* and i think it blew right past you ...

and KT ... i *have* PK/BoOH

for trade

EDIT: not very long, Batelauer ... after i got a headache and my eyes started to water - i gave up

and i thought of running it in a window ...

but the Redemption is Unplayed [and pretty good] ... and i found NightFire

STALKER is out soon

and i haven't finished Fable [as bad] or played the Fear Xpack

yeah *i give up* on PS:T

Finding all the areas or secret levels is not going to change what I think of the game.You may think its a great game I DON'T,you have to respect other people's opinions,you can't expect everybody to agree with you .

doesn't change my opinion of your superficial gloss over PK

there is *depth* in PK you simply are unaware of .. and you relegated it -wrongly - to 'twitch shooter' ...

that's all

Whatever.... my opinion still remains the same,I actually enjoyed games like Unreal,Undying(awesome game) more then PK.

so does mine .. no wonder you play games over-and-over



Mr RPG

too bad D&D seems to be dying

I like a lot of different games,FPS,RTS,RPG,space etc.. and I'm always buying new games as well too (as you know).Looking forward to Two Worlds,UFO-Extraterrestrials and Dragon Age way down the road.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Ultralight
Ultralight gets soda, popcorn and a lawn chair as apoppin and Mem have another go-at-it session. Promises to be entertaining.

Friendly banter more like ,old timers like us don't argue ,we leave that to politics/news forum .

 

[apoppin]

this *isn't* video



i have a lot of respect for Mem

we even look forward to the same games

 

[Ultralight]

Originally posted by: apoppin


this *isn't* video



i have a lot of respect for Mem

we even look forward to the same games

I know,but it is entertainingly fun. I respect both you guys. Now let me get back to my lawn chair and snack.

 

[ibex333]

I value gameplay over gfx. Planescape:Torment is an amazing game. Mabe the best RPG ever made in my book. What's unique about it is it is actually INTERESTING, unlike BG or NWN.
Playing Planescape is like reading a great book... I never finished the game because there's some kind of a curse on me. lol
Every time I got close to the "fortress of regrets" something would happen... The 1st time, I was getting a new PC, and forgot to backup my save. The data was gone with that old HD.
The 2nd time my HD died, and I couldnt recover my saves. The 3rd time when I was getting yet another new PC, I backed up my saves onto a CD. I checked to see if they were inded backed up. The crazy thing, is that once I got a new PC and loaded up that CD to get my saves and finish the game, the CD was EMPTY!!! There was nothing on it... Needless to say I felt like bashing my head on the wall. No way I'm pasing this game for the 4th time now... But who knows...
I doubt there'll ever be another game like Planescape since companies like Interplay and Black Isle are dead. They were the best, because they were about innovation, risks, and new ideas; - something that's lacking in games these days. Game designers today think that staying close to the original formula and dazzling a player with flashy gfx is more important than doing something new and interesting.

As for gameplay over GFX... Here's an example:

Recently I got my hands on C&C3 demo. It wasnt awesome, but it was good. I noticed many units and gameplay elements that were taken from Tiberian Sun. I suddenly remembered that I never finished the whole campaign in TS.

I got my dusty TS disk from the shelf installed it and started playing. Sure the gfx are terrible, and the gameplay is so old... It's inclonvenient that you cant select units of the same type with a double click, and you have to left click to move instead of right click. But this game is still somehow BETTER than all the crap being released by EA. Even after all these years, a game made by Westwood still shines. The game has a SOUL to it - something that the new incarnations are lacking. It has some destructable terrain, such as ice which can be destroyed to have tanks drop underwater and "die" instantly.. It has night and day effects... It has very interesting music, which can get annoying after a while, but you gotta admit it's quite unique... The units are so cool... So much diversity! You have things such as "multi missle", cyborg commando, a flying saucer and Mammmoth MKII Walker". See.. back then they really tried to come up with something new... In C&C3 they mostly "copycat" from the older games, because they are afraid of any signifficant changes. That shows that these days, it's all about money and not about appeasing the gamer community. If the game stays close to original formula it will at least sell a number of copies, but if the game has too much new elements it can FAIL miserably!! The designers clearly dont want to take that chance.

It's really quite a shame. I consider myself lucky to have been a teenager back at the time when the gaming industry was just starting to develop, and back when games were actually good.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ultralight

Originally posted by: apoppin


this *isn't* video



i have a lot of respect for Mem

we even look forward to the same games

I know,but it is entertainingly fun. I respect both you guys. Now let me get back to my lawn chair and snack.

it isn't the *same* anymore



PK/BOoH is an *awesome FPS*
:laugh:

ask Fern

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: ibex333
I value gameplay over gfx. Planescape:Torment is an amazing game. Mabe the best RPG ever made in my book. What's unique about it is it is actually INTERESTING, unlike BG or NWN.
Playing Planescape is like reading a great book... I never finished the game because there's some kind of a curse on me. lol
Every time I got close to the "fortress of regrets" something would happen... The 1st time, I was getting a new PC, and forgot to backup my save. The data was gone with that old HD.
The 2nd time my HD died, and I couldnt recover my saves. The 3rd time when I was getting yet another new PC, I backed up my saves onto a CD. I checked to see if they were inded backed up. The crazy thing, is that once I got a new PC and loaded up that CD to get my saves and finish the game, the CD was EMPTY!!! There was nothing on it... Needless to say I felt like bashing my head on the wall. No way I'm pasing this game for the 4th time now... But who knows...
I doubt there'll ever be another game like Planescape since companies like Interplay and Black Isle are dead. They were the best, because they were about innovation, risks, and new ideas; - something that's lacking in games these days. Game designers today think that staying close to the original formula and dazzling a player with flashy gfx is more important than doing something new and interesting.

Sounds like why I never actually beat IWD2. Something always came up just as I was getting near the end of the game.

You are dead on about PST being like reading a great book though. You don't see games of that caliber any more. These days, even the RPGs are better compared to picture books, with a few lines of text to constitute their story. Games from other genre's don't even bother with the text, its just a flashy picture book, perhaps with a popup or two.

I hope Rogue Dao Studios can deliver with their Planescape Trilogy though.

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

I hope Rogue Dao Studios can deliver with their Planescape Trilogy though.

Same here

 

[apoppin]

at least it won't be 8x6



will it