How hot is too hot? (Q6600)

[JAG87]

k, for fuck sakes

if you take a look at the wiki link I gave you (which you probably didn't even read), you can see that air at 100% humidity and 100C has a heat capacity double that of air at 0% humidity and 0C. did you know that its impossible to have 100% humidity at room temperatures? even if you have 80% humidity at room temperature (which is very hard because you would have dew everywhere) the heat capacity of the air is no where near double, its only double at 100C. bottom line is humidity DOES NOT AFFECT TEMPERATURES AT ALL.

look, im not gonna keep arguing with you. frankly i dont care, if you want to listen you listen, if you dont wanna learn then go buy an ultrasonic vaporizer, put it inside your case, and let us know if the temperatures change and if your computer still works.


edit
and lets not forget that your whole premise was that humidity will raise the temps and if your cpu is on the edge, it will over heat. yaaa thats exactly whats not gonna happen...
like I said, even on a super humid day (at the same ambient temperature) your cpu temperatures might actually drop a few decimals (maybe 0.1 or 0.2C), which like I have been trying to tell you, a poor sensor like the ones in computers will not even pick up.

 

[superclocked]

Originally posted by: JAG87
if you dont wanna learn then go buy an ultrasonic vaporizer, put it inside your case, and let us know if the temperatures change and if your computer still works.

LOL

That is true.

 

[Lnsean]

LOL...why would I buy a vaporizer? You said that humidity only affects us, not temperatures. All I proved was that it affects temperature. Is the degree of change enough to justify a vaporizer? Of course not. I just want to prove you wrong thats all since you have no idea what you are talking about. You're always contradicting yourself, you have nothing to back up your claims, and you even admitted that humidity affects temperature. Wasn't that the whole arguement?

You: "humidity affects us, not temperatures. I cant believe people still dont know that."

Proofs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air

Humidity affects density...density is related to temperature and pressure. You connect the other dots okay? It's a common misconception that humidity does not affect temperature b/c you hear it on the news a lot and from your friends complaining its "feels" humid. Its simple high school science and your laws of gases. You can google, yahoo, msn it all you want. Those are facts and laws that will never change.
I was just on anandtech to search for a good HSF and tried to offered my opinion. It's okay to offer yours but please do so respectfully, especially to save yourself some face when you're wrong. I would have respectfully corrected you but you came off as pompous and arrogant, but lets not make it personal and end it here.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Lnsean
LOL...why would I buy a vaporizer? You said that humidity only affects us, not temperatures. All I proved was that it affects temperature. Is the degree of change enough to justify a vaporizer? Of course not. I just want to prove you wrong thats all since you have no idea what you are talking about. You're always contradicting yourself, you have nothing to back up your claims, and you even admitted that humidity affects temperature. Wasn't that the whole arguement?

You: "humidity affects us, not temperatures. I cant believe people still dont know that."

Proofs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air

Humidity affects density...density is related to temperature and pressure. You connect the other dots okay? It's a common misconception that humidity does not affect temperature b/c you hear it on the news a lot and from your friends complaining its "feels" humid. Its simple high school science and your laws of gases. You can google, yahoo, msn it all you want. Those are facts and laws that will never change.
I was just on anandtech to search for a good HSF and tried to offered my opinion. It's okay to offer yours but please do so respectfully, especially to save yourself some face when you're wrong. I would have respectfully corrected you but you came off as pompous and arrogant, but lets not make it personal and end it here.

what made it pompous and arrogant? the fact that I said "I cant believe people still dont know that"? did that offend you?

the whole point of my reply to your statement was that humidity does not affect temperatures of non-living things, because in an environment like our planet the shifts in air humidity are not large enough to cause a significant change in the specific heat capacity of air. Therefore temperatures are unaffected.

your cpu temps wont change because one day its 30C with 40% humidity and another day its 30C with 60% humidity. is that better?

 

[JAG87]

and I beg you, dont forget your premise was that humidity increases temperatures, which like I have showed you its the exact contrary. but thats besides the point, the point is that the temperature wont change enough to matter.

PS. do you think the OP is gonna come back and snap at us?

 

[Lnsean]

"and I beg you, dont forget your premise was that humidity increases temperatures, which like I have showed you its the exact contrary."
Yes I have acknowledged that error many posts ago.

But let's also not forget your premise was "humidity affects us, not temperatures."
You placed that burden of proof on yourself, whether they are cpu temperatures or global environment temps, the laws are the same. Degree of changes are different of course, but that is not my burden of proof. I only needed to prove that humidity affects temperature.

"I cant believe people still dont know that"? did that offend you?
Yes, and what you claimed right before it was not correct.

 

[Lnsean]

PS. do you think the OP is gonna come back and snap at us?

LOL. Nah. But I'm leaving anyway, take care.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Lnsean
"and I beg you, dont forget your premise was that humidity increases temperatures, which like I have showed you its the exact contrary."
Yes I have acknowledged that error many posts ago.

Good.

But let's also not forget your premise was "humidity affects us, not temperatures."
You placed that burden of proof on yourself, whether they are cpu temperatures or global environment temps, the laws are the same. Degree of changes are different of course, but that is not my burden of proof. I only needed to prove that humidity affects temperature.

I meant that in a realistic environment, not in an absolute scientific way. Its like saying scientifically it takes the earth 365 days and 6 hours to revolve, but practically do we count that? No, but in this case we have to add a day to Feb every 4 years because time is linear and it will desynchronize. But the yearly variation is so small that its not worth taking into account.

"I cant believe people still dont know that"? did that offend you?
Yes, and what you claimed right before it was not correct.


I am sorry, I did not intend to offend you. It was a generic statement aimed at most people which think that humidity actually makes the temperatures rise, just like wind makes things colder.

You take care too buddy. You got some good arguing skills for a Junior Member!

 

[Greg04]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: Lnsean
"and I beg you, dont forget your premise was that humidity increases temperatures, which like I have showed you its the exact contrary."
Yes I have acknowledged that error many posts ago.

Good.

But let's also not forget your premise was "humidity affects us, not temperatures."
You placed that burden of proof on yourself, whether they are cpu temperatures or global environment temps, the laws are the same. Degree of changes are different of course, but that is not my burden of proof. I only needed to prove that humidity affects temperature.

I meant that in a realistic environment, not in an absolute scientific way. Its like saying scientifically it takes the earth 365 days and 6 hours to revolve, but practically do we count that? No, but in this case we have to add a day to Feb every 4 years because time is linear and it will desynchronize. But the yearly variation is so small that its not worth taking into account.

"I cant believe people still dont know that"? did that offend you?
Yes, and what you claimed right before it was not correct.


I am sorry, I did not intend to offend you. It was a generic statement aimed at most people which think that humidity actually makes the temperatures rise, just like wind makes things colder.

You take care too buddy. You got some good arguing skills for a Junior Member!

You both were so caught up in the argument that you forgot completely about how wind chill affects the computer. Shame.

 

[Fistandantilis]

So I take it that anything <70c is too hot?

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: Lnsean
You: "humidity affects us, not temperatures. I cant believe people still dont know that."

Me: Ummm...i think thats heat index dude.

You: "as humidity increases the heat capacity increases as well"

Me: I'll give you that.

You: "that will make a tiny difference, and also a tiny difference in temperatures"

Me: LOL? I thought it only affects "us."

You: "the heat capacity of air will not change substantially with varying humidity"

Me: What? That just totally contradicts what you said earlier. LMAO

Damn it! I hate when I run out of popcorn...

 

[Diademed]

Man... slagging through all the 'crap' in this thread is tough.

Back to the OP:

Yeah...Were I you, I'd start looking for a better aftermarket solution at ~70*. Especially if you aren't OCing.

 

[chopsu3i]

even though reading this thread has given me a little more piece of mind with my temps, ive seen others idling waaay lower.

specs:
-msi p6n sli
-q6600 b3 - stock everything (no overclocking)
-arctic cooler pro 7
-arctic silver 5
-coolermaster elite 331 case - 120mm yate loon intake, 120mm cooler master exhaust, 80mm generic side intake fan, and 80mm intake fan ghetto rigged under my dvd drive (this dropped cpu temps 2 degrees overall)

im running temps at idle of about 52-56C for Core 1 while the other 3 cores hover around 49-51C with an ambient temp of about 30C. ive seen people idling at 30C with this cpu. i was going to reseat the heatsink/fan this weekend and possibly even lap the heatsink. im used to p4's idling at 20-25C with a single exhaust fan

 

[VirtualLarry]

How about idle temps around 65C (coretemp) on a B3 X3210 chip? Too hot?

 

[Fistandantilis]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
How about idle temps around 65C (coretemp) on a B3 X3210 chip? Too hot?

I'd say thats a bit too hot...