How Gitmo hurt us. North Korea: "We are not Guantanamo"

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heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What is happening at Chrysler is very troubling. The government is essentially stealing the assets of bonded debt holders and giving them to the UAW, Fiat etc. And when some bond holders objected to the deal the government threatened and harassed them.

The Professor of John

Since 2009 blindly defending greedy scum-bag hedge funds who game the system and whine like little babies

 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
They're right, they are not Gitmo. More like, Auschwitz.

Well, it'd be a lot easier to pressure them if we didn't have gitmo on our record

In what way?

"We don't think it's right for your to treat your prisoners inhumanely"

"Yeah, sure thing Mr. Gitmo" <gives smug look>

*looks around for european/asian allies for backup*

*crickets*
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
They're right, they are not Gitmo. More like, Auschwitz.

Well, it'd be a lot easier to pressure them if we didn't have gitmo on our record

In what way?

"We don't think it's right for your to treat your prisoners inhumanely"

"Yeah, sure thing Mr. Gitmo" <gives smug look>

*looks around for european/asian allies for backup*

*crickets*


Wow. And what if there was no gitmo? It would have gone like this?



"We dont think it is right for you to treat your prisoners bad, Mr. Kim."

"Oh, Im so sorry Mr. American. You have shown me the error of my ways. Please, let us hug each other and remember this great day"
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: rudder
Sure North Korea is not gitmo. Those prisoners in North Korean gulags would love to get out of North Korea and make it to gitmo.

I don't think they eat much grass soup in Gitmo. I imagine most of the folks starving in North Korea wouldn't mind trading a few meals with the detainees.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
They're right, they are not Gitmo. More like, Auschwitz.

Well, it'd be a lot easier to pressure them if we didn't have gitmo on our record

In what way?

"We don't think it's right for your to treat your prisoners inhumanely"

"Yeah, sure thing Mr. Gitmo" <gives smug look>

*looks around for european/asian allies for backup*

*crickets*


Wow. And what if there was no gitmo? It would have gone like this?



"We dont think it is right for you to treat your prisoners bad, Mr. Kim."

"Oh, Im so sorry Mr. American. You have shown me the error of my ways. Please, let us hug each other and remember this great day"

Well say we were negotiating with NK over concessions, it sure is easier to go into those negotiations with a spotless record. With Gitmo/Torture hung around our necks, it's damn near impossible.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
They're right, they are not Gitmo. More like, Auschwitz.

Well, it'd be a lot easier to pressure them if we didn't have gitmo on our record

In what way?

"We don't think it's right for your to treat your prisoners inhumanely"

"Yeah, sure thing Mr. Gitmo" <gives smug look>

*looks around for european/asian allies for backup*

*crickets*

Are you so naive to believe we have any say in NK affairs? Lets remember this is a regime that built a reactor and most likely a nuclear device through two administrations while we asked where we can ship the next allotment of aid. And when we asked them to stop they told us to go fuck ourselves.

So are you implying if we didnt have Gitmo they would listen to us?!?!?!?!?

*crickets* is the only part of your response that has any bearing on reality. Because that is what we hear just about any time we ask that regime to do anything.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
They're right, they are not Gitmo. More like, Auschwitz.

Well, it'd be a lot easier to pressure them if we didn't have gitmo on our record
Give me a fucking break dude.

NK is a country where innocent people starve to death because of their governments policies and you are talking about how Gitmo is a stain on our record??

Are you that stupid??

The North Korean government estimates that 3 million of its own citizens died due to famine. 3 million!!!!!!!!!!!!

When the US allows 10% of its population to die because of starvation then get back to me about 'our record.'

That's the problem with you conservatives, you always go, 'well, they're worse than we are!!!' to try to deflect any blame we have. You can justify a lot of evil that way. That's why i call you guys the scum of the earth.

OP=FAIL
 

MikeMike

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Phokus, stop being a fucking idiot and get your head out of your ass (although you enjoy it)... NK has absolutely NOTHING on the US even if we had GITMO on US soil... Who gives a crap... they tortured there, but have "ended" it, but no matter what torture will never end... just like racism, there are forms of torture used throughout the world...
 

kage69

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Sure North Korea is not gitmo. Those prisoners in North Korean gulags would love to get out of North Korea and make it to gitmo.

QFT. North Korea makes Gitmo look like Disney World.
 
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Originally posted by: Phokus
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com...-by-digby-im-sure.html

Not defending North Korea in the least, but this is an example of how Gitmo has hurt us. It's hard to be Reagan's 'shining city on a hill' when we have this black mark on our face.

I wish the likes of you would just go away, then truth and justice would have it's way, you, winnar111 and FearOfEvil are just the same.

You are completly useless in an honest debate.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
They're right, they are not Gitmo. More like, Auschwitz.

Well, it'd be a lot easier to pressure them if we didn't have gitmo on our record

In what way?

"We don't think it's right for your to treat your prisoners inhumanely"

"Yeah, sure thing Mr. Gitmo" <gives smug look>

*looks around for european/asian allies for backup*

*crickets*
Wow. And what if there was no gitmo? It would have gone like this?

"We dont think it is right for you to treat your prisoners bad, Mr. Kim."

"Oh, Im so sorry Mr. American. You have shown me the error of my ways. Please, let us hug each other and remember this great day"

Well say we were negotiating with NK over concessions, it sure is easier to go into those negotiations with a spotless record. With Gitmo/Torture hung around our necks, it's damn near impossible.
If you honestly believe that Gitmo is the reason relations or negotiations with NK are difficult, then you're a f'n clown.
 

alchemize

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For 6 years Phokus railed against Bush and conservatives under the guise of being libertarian. Go read all the "big spending, big government, socialist blah blah" stuff he posted. Now that he's decided he's a democrat, none of that matters anymore, what really matters is what Bush did for the last 8 years and what conservative talk show hosts are doing today.

Good for a bit of comedy though, nowhere near the comedy of Dave but times change.
 
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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
They're right, they are not Gitmo. More like, Auschwitz.

Well, it'd be a lot easier to pressure them if we didn't have gitmo on our record

In what way?

"We don't think it's right for your to treat your prisoners inhumanely"

"Yeah, sure thing Mr. Gitmo" <gives smug look>

*looks around for european/asian allies for backup*

*crickets*
Wow. And what if there was no gitmo? It would have gone like this?

"We dont think it is right for you to treat your prisoners bad, Mr. Kim."

"Oh, Im so sorry Mr. American. You have shown me the error of my ways. Please, let us hug each other and remember this great day"

Well say we were negotiating with NK over concessions, it sure is easier to go into those negotiations with a spotless record. With Gitmo/Torture hung around our necks, it's damn near impossible.
If you honestly believe that Gitmo is the reason relations or negotiations with NK are difficult, then you're a f'n clown.

When you show off your worst side, others will tend to notice.

Gitmo is definently a reason for the growing animosity against the US worldwide, including the US.

The fucked up arrogance of having people die by the tens, tortured by the thousands and most of them released without charges DOES make a mark.

Put that fucking camp to rest so we can deal with what is important.
 
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Originally posted by: alchemize
For 6 years Phokus railed against Bush and conservatives under the guise of being libertarian. Go read all the "big spending, big government, socialist blah blah" stuff he posted. Now that he's decided he's a democrat, none of that matters anymore, what really matters is what Bush did for the last 8 years and what conservative talk show hosts are doing today.

Good for a bit of comedy though, nowhere near the comedy of Dave but times change.

Who the fuck gives a flying fuck about Phokus but you?
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com...-by-digby-im-sure.html

Not defending North Korea in the least, but this is an example of how Gitmo has hurt us. It's hard to be Reagan's 'shining city on a hill' when we have this black mark on our face.

I wish the likes of you would just go away, then truth and justice would have it's way, you, winnar111 and FearOfEvil are just the same.

You are completly useless in an honest debate.

Glad I am being attacked in a thread I am not even posting in. I think I have a stalker. Go kill some more terrorists.. thinking isn't your strong suit.. killing is.
 
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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com...-by-digby-im-sure.html

Not defending North Korea in the least, but this is an example of how Gitmo has hurt us. It's hard to be Reagan's 'shining city on a hill' when we have this black mark on our face.

I wish the likes of you would just go away, then truth and justice would have it's way, you, winnar111 and FearOfEvil are just the same.

You are completly useless in an honest debate.

Glad I am being attacked in a thread I am not even posting in. I think I have a stalker. Go kill some more terrorists.. thinking isn't your strong suit.. killing is.

You are even to daft to get the idea of what a stalker is, i am not in the least surprised by this.

And yeah, i will, but thinking is my strong suit, that is why i am the highest commander my men and me will ever have.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
All the conservative nuts are circle jerking in this thread. Pathetic.

Well youre in the thread now, so grab a partner!
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What do you suggest we do with these terrorists then?

Not begging the question that they're terrorists, for a start. Psssst - most aren't.

One reason for keeping them at Gitmo is that it is not on US soil and they hopped to keep these guys from filing endless motions in civilian courts.

The word 'endless' better fits their wrongful detention than their legal filings.

The legal protections are there for a reason, and wrong was done to most of these people.

What to do with them? Fair trials, and sensible release for those not guilty or who finish reasonable sentences.

Then there's the humane Saudi approach.

Not that we'd expect incompetent, immoral ideologues to support any such program that simply matches even the corrupt Saudi regime's efforts.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com...-by-digby-im-sure.html

Not defending North Korea in the least, but this is an example of how Gitmo has hurt us. It's hard to be Reagan's 'shining city on a hill' when we have this black mark on our face.

I wish the likes of you would just go away, then truth and justice would have it's way, you, winnar111 and FearOfEvil are just the same.

You are completly useless in an honest debate.

Glad I am being attacked in a thread I am not even posting in. I think I have a stalker. Go kill some more terrorists.. thinking isn't your strong suit.. killing is.

You are even to daft to get the idea of what a stalker is, i am not in the least surprised by this.

And yeah, i will, but thinking is my strong suit, that is why i am the highest commander my men and me will ever have.

You are your own commander? Do you order yourself around? Call yourself sir? Make yourself do pushups when you disapoint yourself? You amuse me.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: alchemize
For 6 years Phokus railed against Bush and conservatives under the guise of being libertarian. Go read all the "big spending, big government, socialist blah blah" stuff he posted. Now that he's decided he's a democrat, none of that matters anymore, what really matters is what Bush did for the last 8 years and what conservative talk show hosts are doing today.

Good for a bit of comedy though, nowhere near the comedy of Dave but times change.

Who the fuck gives a flying fuck about Phokus but you?
You?
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What do you suggest we do with these terrorists then?

Not begging the question that they're terrorists, for a start. Psssst - most aren't.

One reason for keeping them at Gitmo is that it is not on US soil and they hopped to keep these guys from filing endless motions in civilian courts.

The word 'endless' better fits their wrongful detention than their legal filings.

The legal protections are there for a reason, and wrong was done to most of these people.

What to do with them? Fair trials, and sensible release for those not guilty or who finish reasonable sentences.

Then there's the humane Saudi approach.

Not that we'd expect incompetent, immoral ideologues to support any such program that simply matches even the corrupt Saudi regime's efforts.
Hey Craig... you have a point with your Saudi comment.

Perhaps we should have handed them over to the Egyptians like Bill Clinton did.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What do you suggest we do with these terrorists then?

Not begging the question that they're terrorists, for a start. Psssst - most aren't.

One reason for keeping them at Gitmo is that it is not on US soil and they hopped to keep these guys from filing endless motions in civilian courts.

The word 'endless' better fits their wrongful detention than their legal filings.

The legal protections are there for a reason, and wrong was done to most of these people.

What to do with them? Fair trials, and sensible release for those not guilty or who finish reasonable sentences.

Then there's the humane Saudi approach.

Not that we'd expect incompetent, immoral ideologues to support any such program that simply matches even the corrupt Saudi regime's efforts.
Hey Craig... you have a point with your Saudi comment.

Perhaps we should have handed them over to the Egyptians like Bill Clinton did.

I'm not sure I get this line of logic. Even if your idea of what Clinton did is accurate (and I haven't read up on it to know), you are saying 'well this guy did something bad too'. That excuse stops working when you're 5.