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amrnuke

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System: 5600X, PBO +200, minor CO offsets 0 (best core) to -10 (worst 4 cores), 3666 CL 16 RAM, 2.5" SATA SSD, Radeon 5700 at stock
All run in private mode (no extensions)

Chrome: 182.4
Edge: 179.9
Firefox: 157.0
Brave: 155.8

Looking @Det0x -- it's gotta be my FCLK and RAM timings holding me back, no way this has anything to do with you having a 5950X and me having a 5600X

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Det0x

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System: 5600X, PBO +200, minor CO offsets 0 (best core) to -10 (worst 4 cores), 3666 CL 16 RAM, 2.5" SATA SSD, Radeon 5700 at stock
All run in private mode (no extensions)

Chrome: 182.4
Edge: 179.9
Firefox: 157.0
Brave: 155.8

Looking @Det0x -- it's gotta be my FCLK and RAM timings holding me back, no way this has anything to do with you having a 5950X and me having a 5600X
What do you get in other singlethread benchmarks ?
over 700 in cpu-z bench?
 

amrnuke

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What do you get in other singlethread benchmarks ?
over 700 in cpu-z bench?
mid-660s (662-666 range)
CB23 ST 1609
CB20 ST 623
GB5 ST 1676

After looking into it, my browser performs much better on the first new-instance run. Subsequent repeated runs without closing and restarting the browser are slower. On the first new-instance run, there are noticeable hitches at test 14 and 17, but the rest goes quickly. On subsequent runs, everything goes very smoothly but scores are lower. I am not sure if that hitch is allowing the CPU to cool down, though in that segment of the test it's primarily very lightly threaded.
 

amrnuke

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220 +/- 8.9 Safari 14.0.2 on Apple MBP with M1 @ 3.2 GHz
This is a bafflingly high score. There is no doubt that vertical integration of hardware and software has great potential to create massive performance gains for end-users.
What does the M1 do with native Chrome or Firefox for you?
 

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This is a bafflingly high score. There is no doubt that vertical integration of hardware and software has great potential to create massive performance gains for end-users.
What does the M1 do with native Chrome or Firefox for you?
Not surprising after my iphone score.I think they both use safari to render anyways.
 

amrnuke

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right, iOS. Though with the move to arm who knows?
No, I mean Chrome on Big Sur on Arm does use Blink, unless something changed since the native app was released in November.

Anyway, what I was saying is, I'm curious if M1-native Chrome / Firefox are as fast as Safari.
 

amrnuke

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I got a score of 210 +- 1.4 on my M1 Mac Mini

Chrome Version 87.0.4280.141 (Official Build) (arm64)
Sounds to be measurably off Safari results, right?

Edit: Just perused Arstechnica's article on the native Chrome app, it is indeed 5-10% off Safari's scores.

Kind of odd now that there are no mainstream WebKit / JSCore-based browsers for Windows.
 

moinmoin

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Kind of odd now that there are no mainstream WebKit / JSCore-based browsers for Windows.
Google decided to fork it to create Blink since they had different ideas regarding sandboxing. They are open source, so if anybody wants to create a browser based on Safari's rendering and JavaScript engine that's still possible.
 

amrnuke

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Google decided to fork it to create Blink since they had different ideas regarding sandboxing. They are open source, so if anybody wants to create a browser based on Safari's rendering and JavaScript engine that's still possible.
Would be interesting to see if the speed advantage over Blink/V8 on macOS would translate to Windows.
 

moinmoin

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Would be interesting to see if the speed advantage over Blink/V8 on macOS would translate to Windows.
It should. However WebKit/JSCore is only the innermost part of a browser, everything else (transmission and caching of data, handling of cookies and permissions etc. pp.) would need to be implemented first. Which is why essentially all the derivative browsers build upon Chromium instead which is a complete cross-platform browser available as open source. (Also, I'm not sure if that changed since, but one of the original causes of Google forking WebKit was Apple constantly unilaterally introducing MacOS/iOS-isms into the code that first needed to be ported to work on other platforms.)
 

amrnuke

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It should. However WebKit/JSCore is only the innermost part of a browser, everything else (transmission and caching of data, handling of cookies and permissions etc. pp.) would need to be implemented first. Which is why essentially all the derivative browsers build upon Chromium instead which is a complete cross-platform browser available as open source. (Also, I'm not sure if that changed since, but one of the original causes of Google forking WebKit was Apple constantly unilaterally introducing MacOS/iOS-isms into the code that first needed to be ported to work on other platforms.)
Very true, though it appears the Blink/V8 based browsers I've tested (Chrome, Edge, Brave) all achieve statistically similar scores when extensions are off. Firefox is a laggard on pretty much every system I've tested.
 

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i5-1135G7 4.2GHz Turbo 2.4 GHz base

With Edge(chromium) latest:

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With Firefox Developer latest:

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Huge disparity.
 
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moinmoin

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Very true, though it appears the Blink/V8 based browsers I've tested (Chrome, Edge, Brave) all achieve statistically similar scores when extensions are off.
Well yes, they are all Chromium based so the deviation should be small.

To get on topic again, let me check my browsers on my lowly N3700 Linux netbook...
Opera 73.0.3856: 12.2 ± 0.77
Chromium 87.0.4280: 13.8 ± 0.61
Firefox 84.0.2: 10.9 ± 0.62
Konqueror 20.08.3: 13.7 ± 0.88
Epiphany 3.38.2: 12.2 ± 1.0
 

amrnuke

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Well yes, they are all Chromium based so the deviation should be small.
I guess I was expecting some Microsoft "special sauce" to help Edge out more.

To get on topic again, let me check my browsers on my lowly N3700 Linux netbook...
Opera 73.0.3856: 12.2 ± 0.77
Chromium 87.0.4280: 13.8 ± 0.61
Firefox 84.0.2: 10.9 ± 0.62
Konqueror 20.08.3: 13.7 ± 0.88
Epiphany 3.38.2: 12.2 ± 1.0
:oops:
Did you forget to turn it on?
 

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