How fast is a STOCK Nissan 240SX?

[TuffGuy]

<< not to be a harbinger of doom, but:
guy who's never even driven a stick shift buys a 140 hp car, plans engine swap at some arbitray date in the future...

I forsee a car that never makes more than 150hp at the wheels.... >>


possibly. but the main reason why i'm getting it is to learn how to drive stick. the swap is down the line. the cheaper it is, the better the odds of it being done.

 

[notfred]

I'm not trying to rag on you, it's jsut that a LOT of people talkabout swapping engines in thier cars. very few every actually do it. And on top of that, there's not many guys who could swap a motor, but don't know how to drive a stick shift. And if you pay someone to do the swap, it gets expensive.

Anyway, how much is the car? I've heard those little cars are pretty fun to drive.

 

[TuffGuy]

you can find the car for as little as $1500. the article in this month's SCC got me excited and i started looking into it. it seems doable, even on my student budget. so the cheaper that i can do it, the more likely that it will get done. the other car i was looking at was a 1G Eclipse GSX, but those seem to have a lot of problems.

 

[notfred]

beleive it or not, the hardest thing about modding cars while on a student's budget isn't the money. It's finding a damn garage.

 

[TuffGuy]

Yeah, tell me about it. I'm counting on RRE, the local DSM shop letting me use their place. The guy's pretty cool about letting people work on their cars, as long as he has an open spot in the shop. PLUS, I think that he might find the swap interesting, so he might help me out too. (I hope...)

 

[SuperGroove]

<< SuperGroove - sorry.



<< was quoted at $8-10,000 for the whole job done right and being capable of putting down 250WHP reliably. >>


why so high? the car itself is only $1500, the front clip (early models; on ebay) is only $1500-$2000. delivery is a couple of hundred. it should come out to ~$5000 to install a stock sr20det. front bumper, headlights and trim should be ~$500. it would be even cheaper if you could install it yourself. upgrading the internals and the fuel system to handle 400hp should be ~$1500 i think... it would be even cheaper if you do everything before putting the engine in to save on some labor.


<< If you want a real project car, just pick up a 68 camara and have fun with it. My friend has a 66 charger and its thee most badass car ive ever seen. With 383bb and some upgrades that thing has 400hp easy >>


find me one for $1500 and i'm sold...


<< Personally, I wouldn't make the 240SX an all-out drag car... >>


i'm not. i just want a car that's fun to drive. if i wanted a cheap drap car i'd just get an older z28 or 5.0. >>



Well, the car cost is not included. The engine block itself not with everythign that is required, costs about $2200-3000 unshipped. Then there's the cost of fitting ito the car correctly, because it is not exactly bolt on. Cost of fitting it in hours costs about 3-4000 from a generous mechanic, because it will take a long time. ECU, air conditioning, transmission, clutch, all of that will run you about $2000 more because while the engine may swap right in, there's other things to bolt up. From what i've gathered, air conditioning is one of the things you may sacrifice. I'm forgetting a lot of stuff but you might want to give those guys a call. I should've stated that I was shopping for a SR20DET swap in a S14.

I've heard of SR20DET swaps being done for $6000 on your own, but from what I've heard they're constant fixer uppers. Not to mention the hassle of the engine not being legal in the United States.

Why not just buy an S13, take the KA24DE and just turbocharge it? You can do it for significantly less than what it would cost you to do a SR20DET swap, AND you'll have that abundant torque available to you at all ranges. If you want I could look up the company that would help you find a turbo kit for a S13. On a side note, the fastest 240SX in the nation, is a turbocharged KA24DE.



Check out Freshalloy. Do a search first, because the guys there are just as vicious as any other car nut board.

 

[littleman]

this was my first car driving stick.. it was great, I switched to a dodge stealth afterwards. 240sx is a good starting car cause its cheap and good, and you can abuse it all you want

 

[TuffGuy]

<< Well, the car cost is not included. The engine block itself not with everythign that is required, costs about $2200-3000 unshipped. Then there's the cost of fitting ito the car correctly, because it is not exactly bolt on. Cost of fitting it in hours costs about 3-4000 from a generous mechanic, because it will take a long time. ECU, air conditioning, transmission, clutch, all of that will run you about $2000 more because while the engine may swap right in, there's other things to bolt up. From what i've gathered, air conditioning is one of the things you may sacrifice. I'm forgetting a lot of stuff but you might want to give those guys a call. I should've stated that I was shopping for a SR20DET swap in a S14.

I've heard of SR20DET swaps being done for $6000 on your own, but from what I've heard they're constant fixer uppers. Not to mention the hassle of the engine not being legal in the United States.

Why not just buy an S13, take the KA24DE and just turbocharge it? You can do it for significantly less than what it would cost you to do a SR20DET swap, AND you'll have that abundant torque available to you at all ranges. If you want I could look up the company that would help you find a turbo kit for a S13. On a side note, the fastest 240SX in the nation, is a turbocharged KA24DE.



Check out Freshalloy. Do a search first, because the guys there are just as vicious as any other car nut board. >>


sounds like those guys were trying to pull a fast one on you.

not the engine block... the front clip - the whole car from the A-pillar forward is about $1500. you can purchase it from venus parts auto in sacramento. the front clip has pretty much everything that you need. they will also sell the silvia fenders, hood, bumper and headlights for $500. the SR20DET and the KA24E use the same engine mounts, so that's a "simple" bolt-in. if it's a '91+ 240SX, the lines will line up. you can use the SR20DET pump for the SC. you can also use the harness and ECU from the silvia.

Hybrid how-to: S13 Nissan Silvia <-- excellent read

Venus Auto

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

SuperGroove: the SR20DET is a relatively simple bolt on and if your having a stock SR20DET in the car, theres not much that can go wrong. And if you are getting a clip, its relatively easier cause all the parts are there, rather than buying the engine seperately since you might need to find some extra parts that would otherwise be in the clip.

If you have a S13, getting a front clip would be the best way and as well as athe cheapest way to go. I have read people on FreshAlloy getting a full front clip for like $2000USD.

If you are competent enough to install it, its that cheap..otherwise slap on more money.

On a completely different note: does anyone have pics of Millenium's Mustang that went thru Sean Heylond? I've heard a lot about that tuner and found that they make some crazy stuff!