How far away can a draft be?

[Zebo]

It's obvious we arn't going to leave Iraq anytime soon... 4-5 years the administration is now talking. And assuming the violence continues at current rates how will we staff this occupation? I sure would'nt join up right now for a year in the hot sand dodgeing bullits. I read someplace the retention rate is at a 20 year low and something like 85% of reservists have been called up. So what happens when thier time runs out? How will they staff this?

 

[dmcowen674]

I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-26 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Non-Voluntary Military Countries. <------ That Better???

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

Could you repost this link or tell me where the article is at? I missed it.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

i didnt know Germany [just an example] was a communist country or had a dictator for a leader.

on a side note, i wonder what happened to the good old German war-mongering spirit? youd think that after all the wars they started and participated in, and then the long drought of military conflict involving them that theyd be pretty hot for some action in Iraq.

 

[dahunan]

http://www.mind.net/basile/draftdubya.jpg

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

i didnt know Germany [just an example] was a communist country or had a dictator for a leader.

on a side note, i wonder what happened to the good old German war-mongering spirit? youd think that after all the wars they started and participated in, and then the long drought of military conflict involving them that theyd be pretty hot for some action in Iraq.

the USA happily took the task of warmongering country

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Zebo
It's obvious we arn't going to leave Iraq anytime soon... 4-5 years the administration is now talking. And assuming the violence continues at current rates how will we staff this occupation? I sure would'nt join up right now for a year in the hot sand dodgeing bullits. I read someplace the retention rate is at a 20 year low and something like 85% of reservists have been called up. So what happens when thier time runs out? How will they staff this?

Every branch of the service has lowered their recruiting goals this year based on better than expected reenlistments.

I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

What's the status of that proposal Dave? Any idea or is just more of your usual "the sky is falling" BS?

 

[CaptnKirk]

My son is due for Re-Deployment (Return) from Iraq in 60 - 90 days, depending on mission assignment.
Even after his being there since April, he is still talking as if he will stay in, as he likes what he does,
even though his outfit has been catching it's share of hell.

Before there is a return to "The Draft", I would expect that the Judges in some townships would give those
who appear before them the same choice that was given to those same 'Kids-in-Trouble' that was extended
to those in the days of the 'Nam - "You're looking at a misdemeaner, maybe 6 months to a year in the can -
or if you join the service & we'll seal the records and upon acceptance into the service, we will expunge the
records and you will have no marks against your character in the Court and Justice System."

Quite a few of those given that option cleaned up quite nicely for society, as they matured really quick in Basic
Traning, & their subsequent active duty (Remember the draft was for 2 years, joining was for 4 years.)
Those who didn't pass the qualification tests (Much easier to get in back then) were in big trouble &
they knew it - so they tried harder to get in, somtimes taking a grunt (Rifleman) role over that of a Tech.
Those who were arrogant and brash but made it in anyway would either be set straight by their fellow soldiers,
or (Expletive Deleted) and some just got their names on The Wall because they didn't pay enough attention.

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

Like Israel and Switzerland?

I never realized that the fact that ALL federal laws are voted on by ALL citizens makes that country a dictatorship. I also never realized that a thriving banking and tourism industry makes a country communist if you were categorizing Switzerland differently. Does that mean that New York is a communist city? Thanks, Dave, for educating us once again.

Edit: Oh, I forgot. Dave wants a communist dictatorship. Can't have the laws of supply and demand influcence the price of steel. That needs to be controlled by the US government. Can't have the people choose their laws based on their own priniciples. We need to make it clear that the laws of Christianity are the foundation of the country.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: rjain

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

Like Israel and Switzerland?

I never realized that the fact that ALL federal laws are voted on by ALL citizens makes that country a dictatorship. I also never realized that a thriving banking and tourism industry makes a country communist if you were categorizing Switzerland differently. Does that mean that New York is a communist city? Thanks, Dave, for educating us once again.

Edit: Oh, I forgot. Dave wants a communist dictatorship. Can't have the laws of supply and demand influcence the price of steel. That needs to be controlled by the US government. Can't have the people choose their laws based on their own priniciples. We need to make it clear that the laws of Christianity are the foundation of the country.

It would take more than 10 years of losing 2000+ troops a year before an active draft would be considered.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: rjain

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

Like Israel and Switzerland?

I never realized that the fact that ALL federal laws are voted on by ALL citizens makes that country a dictatorship. I also never realized that a thriving banking and tourism industry makes a country communist if you were categorizing Switzerland differently. Does that mean that New York is a communist city? Thanks, Dave, for educating us once again.

Edit: Oh, I forgot. Dave wants a communist dictatorship. Can't have the laws of supply and demand influcence the price of steel. That needs to be controlled by the US government. Can't have the people choose their laws based on their own priniciples. We need to make it clear that the laws of Christianity are the foundation of the country.

Nah hes just a moron. Thousands of bills never make it through congress, theres been bigger whoppers than "mandatory military service".

 

[Zebo]

Every branch of the service has lowered their recruiting goals this year based on better than expected reenlistments.

guess that puts to rest any staffing problems. You too Kirk. Thanks

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I posted recently the Proposal that is in Congress right now. It would Mandate all 18-24 year olds to serve a minimum of 2 years right after High School, just like many Dictator and Communist Countries.

i didnt know Germany [just an example] was a communist country or had a dictator for a leader.

on a side note, i wonder what happened to the good old German war-mongering spirit? youd think that after all the wars they started and participated in, and then the long drought of military conflict involving them that theyd be pretty hot for some action in Iraq.

Many is not an all inclusive term. Dave likes to scare people though so he said what he said for effect.

AFAIK germany had a good period of indoctrination by USA like Japan did. And we promised them defense. Why pay for what you get for free?

 

[dmcowen674]

Reinstate draft bill # S.89

Sponsor: Ernest Hollings (D-SC)

Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.
Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: rjain
Like Israel and Switzerland?

I never realized that the fact that ALL federal laws are voted on by ALL citizens makes that country a dictatorship. I also never realized that a thriving banking and tourism industry makes a country communist if you were categorizing Switzerland differently. Does that mean that New York is a communist city? Thanks, Dave, for educating us once again.

Edit: Oh, I forgot. Dave wants a communist dictatorship. Can't have the laws of supply and demand influcence the price of steel. That needs to be controlled by the US government. Can't have the people choose their laws based on their own priniciples. We need to make it clear that the laws of Christianity are the foundation of the country.

It would take more than 10 years of losing 2000+ troops a year before an active draft would be considered.

Eh? I wasn't talking about whether it would be needed, but what the implications of mandatory service would be. Mandatory service has nothing to do with dictatorships or communist economies, as Dave would have us think.

Edit: and as far as your next response to the same post of mine is concerned, I was responding to Dave's McCarthyistic name-calling, not to the fact that Dave is getting all bent out of shape over some nutjob's proposal.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Reinstate draft bill # S.89

Sponsor: Ernest Hollings (D-SC)

Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.
Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

That's very good Dave but it didn't answer my question. I'll answer it for you. There has been no action on this proposal since last January. It is buried deep in committee where it is destined to stay.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Reinstate draft bill # S.89

Sponsor: Ernest Hollings (D-SC)

Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.
Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

This is a anti-war Democratic all political bill which will never pass. The idea is if we have a draft it will make people reminicent of vietnam era which everyone sees as negitive. You think (R) will let this out of commitee?

 

[Witling]

DMCowen, apparently named Dave. When you edit your post, it would be stylish to leave a notice there. The only way I knew you'd edited it was by reading the 23 guys who jumped on you.

But, to answer the question: How far away can a draft be?

You can bet your valuables that you won't see one before next November. But, aside from the politics, I think Zebo's statement is correct. It's a political bill that will not be passed.

 

[LunarRay]

"When the Korean War broke out, the 1948 law was replaced (1951) by the Universal Military Training and Service Act. The length of service was extended to 24 months, and the minimum age for induction was reduced to 18 1/2 years. The main purpose of the Reserve Forces Act of 1955 was to strengthen the reserve forces and the National Guard. It required six years of duty, including both reserve and active duty. The Military Selective Service Act of 1967 required all men between the ages of 18 and 26 to register for service. The regular exemptions along with educational deferments were granted. These loopholes and other technicalities tended to discriminate against working-class and poor men, and thus a higher percentage from these groups were drafted.

Due to this perceived discrimination by class and also because of the great unpopularity of the Vietnam War, conscription became a major social issue. There were numerous demonstrations at draft boards and induction centers. Many young men evaded the draft through technicalities or fraud; thousands fled the country or went to prison. In 1973 conscription was abolished in favor of an all-volunteer army. President Gerald R. Ford later granted clemency to many draft resisters. In 1980, Congress reinstituted draft registration for men 18 to 25 years old. If there were to be a crisis, registered men would be inducted as determined by age and a random lottery."

link

I didn't know this was changed... but, then again I'm not draftable... devote coward..

edit to bold the salient part..

 

[Zebo]

Nice link there lunar.. so in effect we already have a draft all it takes is president to give the word and selction boards get to work...

I didn't know this was changed... but, then again I'm not draftable... devote coward..

I don't think coward got anything to do with it. (you never know till your there really.. I would think) They draft and get young men because they are athletic, more impressionable, and relativly expendable since family and communal ties are minimal.

And for post monitor whitling.. I edited my spelling changed like to link on the first line. This is by no means a complete edit as spelling errors may still be prevalent.

 

[dahunan]

How many Children of Senators- Congressmen and Women are actually in the service? If there are any were they sent to Iraq?

 

[CaptnKirk]

What I think is bizzare is the supposition that the Democrats are soft on the Military,
while the Republicans are thought to be so damn pro-Military.

If you take the time to study who in our Government actually was in the Military and did service time,
you find that there were many more Democrats than Republicans that were in the service.
There were many more Republicans that used the loopholes to get out of service for themselves and thier relatives.

Link (Biased ? - Only if you're ashamed)

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: Zebo
It's obvious we arn't going to leave Iraq anytime soon... 4-5 years the administration is now talking. And assuming the violence continues at current rates how will we staff this occupation? I sure would'nt join up right now for a year in the hot sand dodgeing bullits. I read someplace the retention rate is at a 20 year low and something like 85% of reservists have been called up. So what happens when thier time runs out? How will they staff this?

not until after the 04 election. but id say soon after. ive been hearing more and more rumors about an upcoming draft.

 

[UltraQuiet]

If you take the time to study who in our Government actually was in the Military and did service time,

I think if you take your own advice and not use a website that should be beneath someone of your intelligence to even contemplate using as a source, you will find that there are more republicans in the executive and legislative branches with military service than democrats.

not until after the 04 election. but id say soon after. ive been hearing more and more rumors about an upcoming draft.

Well that's all the proof I need. Noob says he hears rumors it must be a done deal.

 

[Red Dawn]

It will never happen. Americans will not stand for an involuntary draft to fight wars for profit and political agendas again.