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How exactly did 15 armed british sailors just get "captured"?

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Alphathree33

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If you're with an armed boarding party of the British navy and you've been trained to use a gun, presumably to shoot and kill enemies... and then armed enemies come aboard... do you just say, "ah, we give up"!?!

I don't understand how this happened. One, two, three sailors... sure, maybe they had no hope of winning.

But FIFTEEN? How many marines did the Iranians have that they just gave up? And where were the British navy ships... not nearby? Why the hell not?

I'm just confused.
 
two rubber dingheys and 15 soldiers with automatic weapons vs. 7 fast attack boats made out of metal armed with heavy machine guns...
 
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
If you're with an armed boarding party of the British navy and you've been trained to use a gun, presumably to shoot and kill enemies... and then armed enemies come aboard... do you just say, "ah, we give up"!?!

I don't understand how this happened. One, two, three sailors... sure, maybe they had no hope of winning.

But FIFTEEN? How many marines did the Iranians have that they just gave up? And where were the British navy ships... not nearby? Why the hell not?

I'm just confused.
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Do you think that the Iranians just swam out there and boarded the boats that the Brits were on?

 
Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. As soon as shooting breaks out you run the risk of provoking an international incident and starting a war. I think this way, Iran is going to end up with egg on their face and they are going to have to release the soldiers due to international pressure.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Terrorists don't play by the rules.

US and UK have to play by the rules. It's really just as easy as that.
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There's a book called "Rogue Warrior" by Richard Marcinko that hits on that in the last part of the book. Good read :thumbsup:
 
I just posted two replies in P&N about this.

To think that Iran has the ballz to claim GPS coordinates false when they are using yard sticks and binoculars to judge the location of the British invaders!
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: spidey07
Terrorists don't play by the rules.

US and UK have to play by the rules. It's really just as easy as that.
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There's a book called "Rogue Warrior" by Richard Marcinko that hits on that in the last part of the book. Good read :thumbsup:
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: UNESC0
two rubber dingheys and 15 soldiers with automatic weapons vs. 7 fast attack boats made out of metal armed with heavy machine guns...
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Bingo. Plus the HMS Cornwall radioed in for permission to engage but was denied.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: UNESC0
two rubber dingheys and 15 soldiers with automatic weapons vs. 7 fast attack boats made out of metal armed with heavy machine guns...
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Bingo. Plus the HMS Cornwall radioed in for permission to engage but was denied.
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Oh really? What a bunch of pussies then. Why even HAVE a military if you're too scared to use it when your own soldiers are being abducted.

They should've decimated every Iranian ship in the area, even at the cost of their own 15 sailors. It's a loss now, but it would send a message for the future: mess with our people in uniform and get OWNED.

The message they've sent now is: If you want some political bargaining power, abduct our sailors. We won't do jack sh!t all about it.
 
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: UNESC0
two rubber dingheys and 15 soldiers with automatic weapons vs. 7 fast attack boats made out of metal armed with heavy machine guns...
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Bingo. Plus the HMS Cornwall radioed in for permission to engage but was denied.
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Oh really? What a bunch of pussies then. Why even HAVE a military if you're too scared to use it when your own soldiers are being abducted.

They should've decimated every Iranian ship in the area, even at the cost of their own 15 sailors. It's a loss now, but it would send a message for the future: mess with our people in uniform and get OWNED.

The message they've sent now is: If you want some political bargaining power, abduct our sailors. We won't do jack sh!t all about it.
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you're an idiot. you must be related to Dick "Kill Em All" Cheney!
 
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: UNESC0
two rubber dingheys and 15 soldiers with automatic weapons vs. 7 fast attack boats made out of metal armed with heavy machine guns...
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Bingo. Plus the HMS Cornwall radioed in for permission to engage but was denied.
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Oh really? What a bunch of pussies then. Why even HAVE a military if you're too scared to use it when your own soldiers are being abducted.

They should've decimated every Iranian ship in the area, even at the cost of their own 15 sailors. It's a loss now, but it would send a message for the future: mess with our people in uniform and get OWNED.

The message they've sent now is: If you want some political bargaining power, abduct our sailors. We won't do jack sh!t all about it.
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in the brits defense, they did not want an international incident. they played it cool from the beginning.
 
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: UNESC0
two rubber dingheys and 15 soldiers with automatic weapons vs. 7 fast attack boats made out of metal armed with heavy machine guns...
Click to expand...

Bingo. Plus the HMS Cornwall radioed in for permission to engage but was denied.
Click to expand...

Oh really? What a bunch of pussies then. Why even HAVE a military if you're too scared to use it when your own soldiers are being abducted.

They should've decimated every Iranian ship in the area, even at the cost of their own 15 sailors. It's a loss now, but it would send a message for the future: mess with our people in uniform and get OWNED.

The message they've sent now is: If you want some political bargaining power, abduct our sailors. We won't do jack sh!t all about it.
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Well this post explains why you are not pursuing a career in international diplomacy.
 
IMO it was a mistake / accident and they got taken by surprise. If they had simply resisted the iranians probably would have backed off or we would have a good excuse to go ahead and destroy their navy which would take all of a few hours.

This may be old news but it is still a good topic. I for one will be surprised if we ever see those men again.
 
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: UNESC0
two rubber dingheys and 15 soldiers with automatic weapons vs. 7 fast attack boats made out of metal armed with heavy machine guns...
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Bingo. Plus the HMS Cornwall radioed in for permission to engage but was denied.
Click to expand...

Oh really? What a bunch of pussies then. Why even HAVE a military if you're too scared to use it when your own soldiers are being abducted.

They should've decimated every Iranian ship in the area, even at the cost of their own 15 sailors. It's a loss now, but it would send a message for the future: mess with our people in uniform and get OWNED.

The message they've sent now is: If you want some political bargaining power, abduct our sailors. We won't do jack sh!t all about it.
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1. They weren't "abducted".
b. You're an idiot.
III. I bet you wouldn't be calling them pussies if you were in their shoes!
 
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
They should've decimated every Iranian ship in the area, even at the cost of their own 15 sailors. It's a loss now, but it would send a message for the future: mess with our people in uniform and get OWNED.

The message they've sent now is: If you want some political bargaining power, abduct our sailors. We won't do jack sh!t all about it.
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Wow, just sad. No wonder so many Americans are oblivious to international politics.
 
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