How does having AGP versions of future cards (highend) harm the consumer?

[Creig]

Originally posted by: UltraWide
Keeping 2 product lines costs more money, it also costs capacity at the plant, it takes away volume from PCIe cards since they have to use the same chips. Basically they need to keep 2 copies of essentially the same thing. So, in the end it drives up costs for EVERYONE. It's good they will slowly "phase out" AGP.

And what about the sales numbers that AGP owners would bring in? Higher volume sales means cheaper chips and lower overall prices.

 

[Genx87]

To summarize, if you're buying a new high-end video card to improve performance, 9 times out of 10 you're going to need to upgrade the rest of your system, otherwise the gains from the video card upgrade are bottlenecked.

qft

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Smooth317
To summarize, if you're buying a new high-end video card to improve performance, 9 times out of 10 you're going to need to upgrade the rest of your system, otherwise the gains from the video card upgrade are bottlenecked.

My nforce3 Ultra socket 939 runs the same CPUs as the nForce4 boards. But more importantly, think about all the poor people that bought high end Socket 940 CPUs that will be forced to not only buy a new motherboard/cpu but also new ram, and those CPUs are still pretty damn good.

I dont know many people who buy Opertons for gaming.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: trinibwoy

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't get what all the furor is about anyway- AFAIK it's only the 7800GTX that doesn't have AGP, and how many Athlon XP users want to spend $600 on a video card their cpu doesn't have the cajones to push anyway?

The people complaining are the ones with socket 754 A64 machines.

I have a S754 A64 3000+ and think AGP needs to be put down like a sick horse.
I can already see in just a year's time that my S754 setup is aging and I await my move to S939 with an SLI MB.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Do you want another long drawn out change over, IE from ISA to PCI?

How is the transition from IDE to SATA going? IDE to SATA offers about the same performance increase as going from AGP to PCI-E. It is the new standard also, but no one seems to want to force IDE to go away.

Legacy support. You can take an IDE drive from 10 years ago and still use it. You cant take your video card from 10 years ago and realistically expect it to perform.

I prefer SATA over IDE anyday but the simple fact is there is a legit reason for shipping MBs out with IDE controllers on them for the next couple of years. HDs may lose their performance edge but they can still be used.

 

[imported_Soldier]

This is really a silly topic, AGP is hardly dead or obsolete. ATi will be releasing their next generation card for AGP and nVidia will lose a boat load of cash. We all know (at least those that take the time to educate themselves) that PCI-E has zero benefit over AGP at this time and that will not change for a couple of years. So all of those early adopters that bought PCI-E just to have the latest and greatest wasted their cash, those that needed a new rig just bought what makes sense to buy since you gain PCI-E with a new rig.
What I find to be the most interesting development in AGP/PCI-E is the forthcoming ULi chipset that will support full speed AGP 8X and 16x PCI-E on the same board, which is the proper upgrade path for many that have perfectly fast AGP cards and other components but might want PCI-E...

 

[imported_Soldier]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I have a S754 A64 3000+ and think AGP needs to be put down like a sick horse.
I can already see in just a year's time that my S754 setup is aging and I await my move to S939 with an SLI MB.

That's funny because my S754 rig is running neck and neck with an FX-55, your suggesting everyone with FX-55 class rigs is out of date? By the time you build that S939 rig Socket M will be out and you'll be out of date again....better to skip S939 all together and just move to Socket M next since it will support DDR2.

 

[UltraWide]

Originally posted by: Creig


And what about the sales numbers that AGP owners would bring in? Higher volume sales means cheaper chips and lower overall prices.

I don't think there is enough volume in the high-end to justify manufacturing 2 versions of the same card.

In the middle and low-end I agree with you 100% since that's where the "volume" sales are going to be at.

But at the high end it doesn't make sense since the high-end itself is more like an academic exercise to showcase your technical superiority.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Do you want another long drawn out change over, IE from ISA to PCI?

How is the transition from IDE to SATA going? IDE to SATA offers about the same performance increase as going from AGP to PCI-E. It is the new standard also, but no one seems to want to force IDE to go away.

Legacy support. You can take an IDE drive from 10 years ago and still use it. You cant take your video card from 10 years ago and realistically expect it to perform.

Yeh, those 1gb, <5400 RPM drives sure are useful. New IDE HD models are still coming out today..... Yet no one is screaming to stop them despite more people having SATA compatable mobos than PCI-E.