How does excessive ID turn away minority voters?

[Genx87]

These arguments never really make sense from the left side. In one thread supposedly handing out free money with no fraud and corruption involvled to every person in the country =easy peasy. No worries about anyone wandering in and claiming their own pile of cash- we'll just automatically know who everyone is and everyone will be honest as they always are when gobs of cash is being handed out.

In this requiring only registered voters to have a simple ID proving who they are= "OMG!!!! Insurmountable problem!!!!! Impossible!!!!! Racism!!!!!!"

Im not sure where I sit on the whole Voter ID thing. I can see both sides of the argument. I do tend to think in 2014 doing anything without an ID is difficult. And thus think the idea of having a valid ID as a serious roadblock to voting is rather small. Unless they live on cash and on the streets. They will have provided an ID somewhere along to line to buy things and live somewhere.

Anyways I just enjoy watching those who are against any Voter ID law, including those that provide an ID for free turn around and talk about closing loopholes at gun shows that dont require ID for gun purchases.

 

[thraashman]

I'm pretty sure most people who don't support Voter ID want that person carrying a weapon to have provided an ID to purchase that weapon.

Perhaps, but those aren't equivalent situations. You have a right to vote, you have a right to BEAR arms. It does not say you have a right to purchase arms. A gun dealer can deny selling you a firearm if he feels there's a legitimate reason to do so, he would not be infringing on your right to bear arms. The only way they'd be equivalent is if when bearing arms that legally a appointed official could stop you and require you show identification to continue bearing said arms. And I don't know anyone who would support that.

 

[Genx87]

Perhaps, but those aren't equivalent situations. You have a right to vote, you have a right to BEAR arms. It does not say you have a right to purchase arms. A gun dealer can deny selling you a firearm if he feels there's a legitimate reason to do so, he would not be infringing on your right to bear arms. The only way they'd be equivalent is if when bearing arms that legally a appointed official could stop you and require you show identification to continue bearing said arms. And I don't know anyone who would support that.

That is like saying you have a right to vote, just not a right to fill out a ballot without ID.

Difficult to exercise a right to bear arms if one cant purchase a weapon without ID.

 

[HomerJS]

I understand the "it's a right" argument.

That said, we place plenty of restrictions and proof of ID on the 2nd amendment so you shouldn't have a problem with voter ID.

There's isn't a problem with ID. Its enacting a new requirement that you know already disproportionately effects one side over the other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Want to do it right, have the state issue every eligible resident a voter ID card and only allow that.

BTW - When was the last time Republicans in any state enacted a law with the goal of increasing the number of eligible voters?

 

[runzwithsizorz]

This was just posted on a live blog in my area; ----
"Talk about a fast turnaround -- if you don't have a voter ID, you can always vote a provisional ballot and you have until Friday to deliver a copy of a photo ID to your local Electoral Board. Even if you need to get a new -- and free -- Virginia Department of Elections photo ID, you should be able to make the Friday deadline. Want proof? Today, when one disabled York County voter showed up without an ID, and was unable to get out of her car to fill in the application for the new ID, Registrar Walt Latham headed over, snapped her photo with his phone, emailed it in to his office where colleagues put together an ID and then emailed a copy back so the woman could vote. "I just hate to think there's any voter who wouldn't be able to vote," Latham said."

 

[thraashman]

That is like saying you have a right to vote, just not a right to fill out a ballot without ID.

Difficult to exercise a right to bear arms if one cant purchase a weapon without ID.

No, it's saying that you have to be legally allowed vote to register and you have to be legally allowed to bear arms to purchase one. Voting registration requires some type of verification, gun purchasing requires some type of verification. Purchasing and registering are the equivalent situations. Voting and bearing arms are the equivalent situations. Try to keep up. It's actually not that difficult.

 

[CitizenKain]

Because according to his religion (liberalism), you must be helpless and hopeless and he and his ilk need to always white-knight for you. (Pssst- read: it means he thinks you're inferior, but dresses it up as compassion)

Awww, look at you inventing a strawman on your very own. The little rightwing parrot is growing up.

 

[michal1980]

How can illegals even vote. In any state????

illegals do vote. and have id.

so much for the argument for the left that they wouldn't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ld-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

 

[lopri]

That study is probably the first ever of its kind and has not been peer-reviewed. We have so much evidence to the contrary including citizens being denied votes, as well as evidence of intentional discrimination. Surely it does not follow that discrimination is OK because it happens to punish citizens and non-citizens alike.

 

[boomerang]

Buying a gun is equivalent to registering to vote. Voting is equivalent to bearing arms. I'm sure we can find some of the threads that have happened here where someone was legally open carrying and a cop stopped and asked for identification to which the person refused. And I can guarantee you not a single person who supports voting ID felt that the person should be legally required to show a cop his ID when he is legally open carrying.

LOL! I assure you based on the assumption that whatever could have or might have happened more than likely did happen. Utter genius.

 

[highland145]

That study is probably the first ever of its kind and has not been peer-reviewed. We have so much evidence to the contrary including citizens being denied votes, as well as evidence of intentional discrimination. Surely it does not follow that discrimination is OK because it happens to punish citizens and non-citizens alike.

Black Panthers at the door, ftl.



SC gives free IDs and had a program to carry people to the DMV if they needed a ride (not sure if they still do). Some article I read said they had somewhat less than 5 requests for transportation.

 

[BoberFett]

I have no problem with ID requirements for voting, but only on the condition that the state provide a free valid ID for those who don't have a driver's license or other acceptable form of ID, and if necessary assist with making arrangements to obtain the ID either through transporting people or doing it onsite for people unable to travel.

 

[Moonbeam]

The CBD knows it's a traitor to the nation for wanting voter ID so it has to invent excuses to protect itself from it's traitorous behavior. Conservatives fancy themselves to be moral people, even though, when it comes to winning elections, they will do anything at all to win. This is the result of a brain defect that stinks to high heaven. So we are going to see the most extreme denial of the real intention, to keep undesirables, the other, from voting.

What we need are voter ID laws that prevent people who carry the CBD from voting. Then we'll see what a bad idea voter ID is. I can think of few things that make me want to puke than the conservative effort to make voting more difficult. Fucking un-American bastards. Sorry, but I can't give you a pass on this. It's scummy.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have no problem with ID requirements for voting, but only on the condition that the state provide a free valid ID for those who don't have a driver's license or other acceptable form of ID, and if necessary assist with making arrangements to obtain the ID either through transporting people or doing it onsite for people unable to travel.

That's a great idea but it would cost money and the only people who pay taxes are Republicans. Are you sure that would be fair?

 

[lopri]

@highland145: South Carolina's model should be the bare minimum for enacting this kind of photo ID requirement laws for voting. I do think SC did the right thing. (though only after repeated rejections by the D.C. court under Voting Rights Act)

Can't say the same about Texas, Wisconsin, North Carolina, etc.

 

[highland145]

@highland145: South Carolina's model should be the bare minimum for enacting this kind of photo ID requirement laws for voting. I do think SC did the right thing. (though only after repeated rejections by the D.C. court under Voting Rights Act)

Can't say the same about Texas, Wisconsin, North Carolina, etc.

What else could they do.

 

[highland145]

That's a great idea but it would cost money and the only people who pay taxes are Republicans. Are you sure that would be fair?

Of course, they're rich, after all.

 

[BoberFett]

That's a great idea but it would cost money and the only people who pay taxes are Republicans. Are you sure that would be fair?

I've changed my mind. I want all non-Christian, non-conservative, non-whites (women can stay, as long as they stay in the kitchen) immediately loaded onto rockets and launched into the sun. For the good of the country. Thank you for reminding me, yet again, why I hate "liberals".

 

[Moonbeam]

I've changed my mind. I want all non-Christian, non-conservative, non-whites (women can stay, as long as they stay in the kitchen) immediately loaded onto rockets and launched into the sun. For the good of the country. Thank you for reminding me, yet again, why I hate "liberals".

Are you sure that's fair? Maybe the thing you hate most is yourself. All I was suggesting is that your idea, excellent in it's ecumenical sweep, might cause some panic for the CBD afflicted, since they love their money just about as much as they love the idea of keeping evil people from voting, making it hard to pass.

 

[maddogchen]

I'm a minority. WTF is a voter reg card? Is that the voting pamphlet they mail you?

 

[TheSiege]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giyyyUbuHeE

 

[ElFenix]

illegals do vote. and have id.

so much for the argument for the left that they wouldn't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ld-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

That says nothing about illegals.

 

[alien42]

I think people should have to prove they paid federal income tax or they don't vote. This is based on "He who pays the Bills, gets to set the rules!"

cool, i know quite a few illegals who pay federal taxes.

 

[rudder]

How can illegals even vote. In any state????

Many states give illegals driver licenses. Then those states get in trouble with activist groups because the illegals driver's license looks different from one who is in the country legally. Can't have illegals being identified and discriminated against.

There was a primary here in TN that had a difference of 18 votes decide the winner. Even though obama cannot grant citizenship to illegals (which I think he will try after today)... we are going down a road where illegals can influence elections.

 

[blankslate]

I'm pretty sure most people who don't support Voter ID want that person carrying a weapon to have provided an ID to purchase that weapon.

You could arguably kill a person with vote I guess. But not as directly as a person who is extremely careless or malicious with a firearm.

Some analogies are idiotic and quite stupid.


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