How does excessive ID turn away minority voters?

[piasabird]

I kind of question the need to register to vote as long as you have a drivers license or a state Identification card with a Photo.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It restricts voting for the young and the old. To a college student without a car it's a straight poll tax which a lot can't afford when being bled dry the universities. I know in the summers when I was struggling to make rent and taking the bus to work I didn't have the money to worry about my state ID being current. Even worse for an elderley person on SS who doesn't drive.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

OP, check this out.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/27/texas-vote-id-proof-certificate-minority-law

I can shens. All the elderly people the veterans group assisted in getting birth certificate and voter ID did not have to pay.

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/Birth-Certificate-for-Election-Identification/

Birth Certificate for Election Identification

On October 21, 2013, the Department of State Health Services (DSHS) adopted a rule amendment that waives the fees charged for a certified copy of a birth record for an individual who requires a certified copy in order to obtain an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) issued by the Department of Public Safety (DPS). This does not change the requirements that apply to obtaining a certified birth record; it only waives the fee previously charged for such records. Any fees for birth records that are required by statute still apply.

The fee waiver only applies to an individual who requests a certified copy in person from the Vital Statistics Unit (VSU), a local registrar, or a county clerk for the purpose of obtaining an EIC. An individual who applies for an EIC issued by DPS may be required to produce an original or certified copy of a birth record.
The birth certificate can only be used to obtain an EIC, and can only be issued once during the customer's lifetime.
Only the person seeking an EIC can obtain their own birth certificate. No family member or otherwise qualified applicants will be able to obtain a birth certificate subject to the waiver of fees on behalf of other persons.
To obtain an EIC birth certificate, completely and accurately fill out an EIC Application for Election Identification and submit it in person along with valid identification to your local registrar's office.

 

[thraashman]

Yet there are indeed numerous scenarios like healthcare insurance and providers requiring proof of identification - Not to mention numerous other scenarios where some form of official ID is required just to get by in your life, but no... You can't ask for ID when voting?

Give me a break.

First off, I doubt most of the extremely poor maintain health insurance. They're pretty much screwed if something goes wrong. Second, voting is a right and rights should be protected not intentionally infringed. I personally have never applied for benefits like welfare so I do not know what forms of identification are acceptable in applying for such, I'm willing to bet you do not either.

Just because people are less fortunate does not mean they are less human. That's the biggest problem with the belief system of the far right. This concept that those who are less fortunate some how deserve to be treated as lesser beings.

 

[fskimospy]

I understand the "it's a right" argument.

That said, we place plenty of restrictions and proof of ID on the 2nd amendment so you shouldn't have a problem with voter ID.

This is not a very good argument. All rights are restricted, but the nature of those restrictions varies by what that right is and the situation. Just because ID is required for one right does not mean that it should be required for another.

For example, since you ostensibly support voter ID should you have to show ID to be immune from unlawful searches? Should you need an ID to exercise your right to free speech?

All these arguments are sort of secondary though. The only argument you need against voter ID is that it is irrational as it imposes costs without any benefit.

 

[lopri]

Yet there are indeed numerous scenarios like healthcare insurance and providers requiring proof of identification - Not to mention numerous other scenarios where some form of official ID is required just to get by in your life, but no... You can't ask for ID when voting?

Give me a break.

Not that I agree with anything you say, but I have no idea why you quote me to express views that has nothing to do with what I posted.

 

[HTFOff]

It restricts voting for the young and the old. To a college student without a car it's a straight poll tax which a lot can't afford when being bled dry the universities. I know in the summers when I was struggling to make rent and taking the bus to work I didn't have the money to worry about my state ID being current. Even worse for an elderley person on SS who doesn't drive.

You speak as if elections are a bi-weekly event.

They're not. There are whole calendar years between elections.

Years.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Even worse for an elderley person on SS who doesn't drive.

BS!!!! We were able to get 30 elderly (60's - 80's) people Texas EIC's in less than a month and got them registered to immediately there after.

 

[Zaap]

So why are Minorities less likely to have all the necessary docs?

Because according to his religion (liberalism), you must be helpless and hopeless and he and his ilk need to always white-knight for you. (Pssst- read: it means he thinks you're inferior, but dresses it up as compassion)

 

[SteveGrabowski]

You speak as if elections are a bi-weekly event.

They're not. There are whole calendar years between elections.

Years.

Not understanding this critique at all.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

BS!!!! We were able to get 30 elderly (60's - 80's) people Texas EIC's in less than a month and got them registered to immediately there after.

Were those the only 30 in the state?

 

[WackyDan]

First off, I doubt most of the extremely poor maintain health insurance. They're pretty much screwed if something goes wrong. Second, voting is a right and rights should be protected not intentionally infringed. I personally have never applied for benefits like welfare so I do not know what forms of identification are acceptable in applying for such, I'm willing to bet you do not either.

Just because people are less fortunate does not mean they are less human. That's the biggest problem with the belief system of the far right. This concept that those who are less fortunate some how deserve to be treated as lesser beings.

I do certainly know. My daughter was born disabled at birth and automatically qualified for SS and Medicaid benefits per the US gov't guidelines on low birth weight. I had to provide my and my wife's SSN and driver's license's along with my daughter's birth record from the hospital (Birth cert wasn't processed yet). Every fucking year we had to recertify via mail to maintain her coverage on Medicaid even though she was fully covered under my private insurance.

So for starters your bet is wrong. Your second assumption that I'm part of the right is also wrong. I'm pretty fucking centrist.

 

[soundforbjt]

Show me the documented need vs cost to implement to be fair and not a "poll tax" (provide free ID as required in time before the law takes effect) and I'll be all for it.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Exactly. This is a BS excuse. It does not restrict voting.

Exactly what? It's BS as has been stated over and over and over again. If you guys would get your head out of your asses you'd start to realise the arguments you keep making have been proven false time and again.

I'll say it one more time though. Welfare, Social Security etc... all provide significantly more options to validate your identity if you lack photo ID than what voting laws permit. Pretty much every government entity allows several alternatives to government issued photo ID.

 

[Genx87]

I understand the "it's a right" argument.

That said, we place plenty of restrictions and proof of ID on the 2nd amendment so you shouldn't have a problem with voter ID.

That is my favorite part about this argument. When it comes to another constitutional right the same people who are against a Voter ID will be front in center demanding a proper ID and background check for the 2nd amendment.

 

[himkhan]

I yearn for the day this eventually comes to pass nationally, just to see the student body wing of the democrat party foam at the mouth. Oh, it is coming and it will be fucking delicious.

And yes, the sun will rise the next day. Life will go on.

Even Fox News acknowledges that ‘Voter ID Laws Target Rarely Occurring Voter Fraud.’ As there is no evidence that voter-impersonation fraud is a problem, how can the fact that a legislature says it's a problem turn it into one? If the Wisconsin legislature says witches are a problem, shall Wisconsin courts be permitted to conduct witch trials?

The panel opinion states that requiring a photo ID might at least prevent persons who ‘are too young or are not citizens’ from voting. Not so. State-issued IDs are available to non-citizens.

This implies that the net effect of such requirements is to impede voting by people easily discouraged from voting, most of whom probably lean Democratic.

There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud, if there is no actual danger of such fraud, and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burden.

- Reagan-appointed Judge Richard Posner

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Were those the only 30 in the state?

If these retired people who have not had a state issued ID (valid DL) in over 10 years can get EICs then most anyone else could get one.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If these retired people who have not had a state issued ID (valid DL) in over 10 years can get EICs then most anyone else could get one.

Congrats on registering almost 10% of the EICs given out in the entire state of Texas.

 

[soccerballtux]

I think people should have to prove they paid federal income tax or they don't vote. This is based on "He who pays the Bills, gets to set the rules!"

no representation without taxation!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Congrats on registering almost 10% of the EICs given out in the entire state of Texas.

I seriously doubt only 300 EICs have been acquired/provided, the state had many mobile ID station stops throughout the state starting October of last year.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/media_and_communications/pr092413a.htm

 

[thraashman]

That is my favorite part about this argument. When it comes to another constitutional right the same people who are against a Voter ID will be front in center demanding a proper ID and background check for the 2nd amendment.

Buying a gun is equivalent to registering to vote. Voting is equivalent to bearing arms. I'm sure we can find some of the threads that have happened here where someone was legally open carrying and a cop stopped and asked for identification to which the person refused. And I can guarantee you not a single person who supports voting ID felt that the person should be legally required to show a cop his ID when he is legally open carrying.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I seriously doubt only 300 EICs have been acquired/provided, the state had many mobile ID station stops throughout the state starting October of last year.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/media_and_communications/pr092413a.htm

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http://www.texasobserver.org/texas-voter-id-cards-auctioneers/

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I think people should have to prove they paid federal income tax or they don't vote. This is based on "He who pays the Bills, gets to set the rules!"

I'm curious, when people make the 47% argument, are they saying we should eliminate tax breaks for each child, for married couples, for home ownership, and so on?

 

[Genx87]

Buying a gun is equivalent to registering to vote. Voting is equivalent to bearing arms. I'm sure we can find some of the threads that have happened here where someone was legally open carrying and a cop stopped and asked for identification to which the person refused. And I can guarantee you not a single person who supports voting ID felt that the person should be legally required to show a cop his ID when he is legally open carrying.

I'm pretty sure most people who don't support Voter ID want that person carrying a weapon to have provided an ID to purchase that weapon.

 

[Zaap]

That is my favorite part about this argument. When it comes to another constitutional right the same people who are against a Voter ID will be front in center demanding a proper ID and background check for the 2nd amendment.

These arguments never really make sense from the left side. In one thread supposedly handing out free money with no fraud and corruption involvled to every person in the country =easy peasy. No worries about anyone wandering in and claiming their own pile of cash- we'll just automatically know who everyone is and everyone will be honest as they always are when gobs of cash is being handed out.

In this requiring only registered voters to have a simple ID proving who they are= "OMG!!!! Insurmountable problem!!!!! Impossible!!!!! Racism!!!!!!"