How does everyone feel about Valve pulling 'Hatred' from Greenlight?

[TeknoBug]

Valve already spoke their word about games in early access, devs HAS to be moving forward with their early access games or get removed. The problem with games sitting in early access is that devs can just make money and not have to finish their games (*cough* DayZ) so now they have to, at least Assetto Corsa is constantly getting more stuff added.

 

[Jodell88]

Valve already spoke their word about games in early access, devs HAS to be moving forward with their early access games or get removed. The problem with games sitting in early access is that devs can just make money and not have to finish their games (*cough* DayZ) so now they have to, at least Assetto Corsa is constantly getting more stuff added.

The game wasn't Early Access, it was going through Greenlight.

The wasn't even on Greenlight for a day.

 

[Subyman]

I'm fine with them pulling it. Valve has a certain image they'd like to portray. They do not carry porn games and now we see where they draw the line on indiscriminate violence. I find it hard to cry "censorship." The dev can easily self publish their game like anyone else, it just won't be published through Steam.

 

[alkemyst]

Sounds like the kind of game many parents would let their children play and then wonder why they do something messed up in school.

The way this kind of stuff works now is the parent's would have no responsibility in it and be able to sue the game maker.

 

[master_shake_]

Sounds like the kind of game many parents would let their children play and then wonder why they do something messed up in school.

The way this kind of stuff works now is the parent's would have no responsibility in it and be able to sue the game maker.

no, just no...

 

[alkemyst]

no, just no...

We have sort of all seen this in the news and can witness it out and about.

Our 11 year old at the time wanted GTA because all his friends in school had it.

I think that is a terrible choice for a child.

I am sure many of those same kids would pick up Hatred as well since that topic has already come up here for Christmas.

 

[ImpulsE69]

We have sort of all seen this in the news and can witness it out and about.

Our 11 year old at the time wanted GTA because all his friends in school had it.

I think that is a terrible choice for a child.

I am sure many of those same kids would pick up Hatred as well since that topic has already come up here for Christmas.

I would then ask those parents why their 11 year old was able to purchase games on Steam without their approval...because if they can do that, they can do it elsewhere.

This is yet another parenting issue, not a vendor responsibility issue.

 

[alkemyst]

I would then ask those parents why their 11 year old was able to purchase games on Steam without their approval...because if they can do that, they can do it elsewhere.

This is yet another parenting issue, not a vendor responsibility issue.

It's the parent's buying these games for their kids.

 

[QuantumPion]

Netflix does not allow porn movies on their streaming service. Steam does not allow murder porn on theirs. Same thing. Said murder-porn will still be available through other channels.

That being said, there is a line between fun game and gruesome murder-porn, and this seems to firmly be in the later. There are some things that are just not cool, e.g. a holocaust simulator.

 

[OCNewbie]

Not sure how I feel about Valve's decision. I don't imagine I'd ever actually want to play the game though.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Not sure how I feel about Valve's decision. I don't imagine I'd ever actually want to play the game though.

It's easy just change the 'random people' to muslim terrorists and re-texture the goth guy to a soldier and it's just another COD clone. I do not see what the issue is here.

It's up to the parent and the individual to decide. Yes it is within Steams right to not sell it, but I do find peoples issue with the game itself a bit hypocritical. I probably wouldn't play the game either, but let's not...sugar coat what the most popular games are. In most the GTA's you aren't playing a "good" guy. Games like these are all about murder wrapped in a sugar coating of righteousness. BF, COD, damn near every FPS out, it's all the same thing. People killing people. Pretense really doesn't mean squat at the end of the day. You are either a stable human capable of cognitive thought, or you are psycho. A game isn't going to be the turning point.

 

[sweenish]

Netflix does not allow porn movies on their streaming service. Steam does not allow murder porn on theirs. Same thing. Said murder-porn will still be available through other channels.

That being said, there is a line between fun game and gruesome murder-porn, and this seems to firmly be in the later. There are some things that are just not cool, e.g. a holocaust simulator.

Not the same, because you are using two different genres. Steam not allowing pornographic sex games is the same thing as Netflix.

You can have your opinion, just phrase it better.

 

[Jodell88]

It's easy just change the 'random people' to muslim terrorists and re-texture the goth guy to a soldier and it's just another COD clone. I do not see what the issue is here.

Exactly! As I said before, it isn't the violence that's portrayed that people have a problem with, it's the context people have a problem with.

 

[ronbo613]

I'm against censorship in any form, but to me anyway, "murder simulator" and "game" is an odd combination.

 

[JumBie]

Valve is trying to be politically correct, not a good thing TBH.

 

[Fulle]

According to the unspoken rules of politically correct videogame murder:
If someone is a soldier or criminal holding a weapon, it's completely OK to murder them in a videogame, but if they're an unarmed civilian it's not OK to murder them unless they're working for a corrupt organization. If they are working for a corrupt organization, feel free to murder away even if they're unarmed. If you are to murder unarmed civilians who are not working for a corrupt organization, make sure that you murder only adult males, since murdering women and children is much more terrible. Murdering anyone infected with a disease that causes them to behave violently, is OK, regardless of age, gender, or affiliation with corrupt organizations. Unless too many of them are black.
In games where the player character is a villain, it's generally OK to murder any male NPCs, especially soldier types, but generally murdering females is unacceptable unless they're not quite human or soldier types.

Clearly, this game has not done enough to qualify the murder as politically correct. May I suggest labeling the civilians as evil cultists of some sort?

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

postal 2 was mindless fun. i don't see why the game needs an end goal. minecraft originally didn't have an end goal. it was just a sandbox game. they tried to add in a story and that just made the game worse imo.

this is basically steam trying to avoid any controversy over removing the game later on like the whole target/gta5 thing.

it's their service. they can decide what they want on it.

edit: apparently the game got up to #7 out of 2,195 games on greenlight before it was removed.

 

[escrow4]

I'm happy they pulled it. Next thing we know there will be a game about raping or tying people to chairs and repeatedly stabbing them, while they beg for their life and drown in their own blood. Cause it's just a game, right? Wrong. Such things are sick and I'm happy they're being actively blocked. They only serve to feed sick minds which should get some serious help instead. This goes double if it's an adult that wants to "play" such sick things.

GTA for me walks a fine line, never crossing it, as its purpose is not letting you kill innocent people. Killing is "just a side effect" of the characters being criminals with specific goals in their lives. Saint's Row is very over the top and killing is not the goal of the game either.

There already is a game about raping. Its called Rape Lay and is only one of dozens of things to do with rape and hentai in Asia. There are whole genres there. If the devs really wanted outrage they would model real life places as maps you could pick and choose where and who you wanted to murder on custom rampages, then allow custom maps and characters to be imported. This is nothing special. People don't want to be reminded of the fact that life really has no point to it. At all. Why do you think religion is so popular?

 

[alkemyst]

Valve is trying to be politically correct, not a good thing TBH.

Would you be ok with a game focused on raping children?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Would you be ok with a game focused on raping children?

Only real comparison would be a game about raping adults. Murder/Killing happens in 80% of the games out there. Your comparison (while yes I get the point you are trying to make) doesn't work. The only difference in this game is the color of the skin and the emo guy compared to most of the others out there. Killing is killing.

Sometimes free speech doesn't always make you happy, but it doesn't mean you sit down and watch it get stamped out. Granted, again, it is just Steam and they are in their right. If the government came in and shut the game down due to content, that'd be another story...

 

[alkemyst]

Only real comparison would be a game about raping adults. Murder/Killing happens in 80% of the games out there. Your comparison (while yes I get the point you are trying to make) doesn't work. The only difference in this game is the color of the skin and the emo guy compared to most of the others out there. Killing is killing.

Sometimes free speech doesn't always make you happy, but it doesn't mean you sit down and watch it get stamped out. Granted, again, it is just Steam and they are in their right. If the government came in and shut the game down due to content, that'd be another story...

I think you don't understand 'free speech'.

Hatred's killing level is way beyond almost any other game...perhaps you don't understand the game either.

 

[Fardringle]

If they don't want to sell the game, they don't have to sell it (unless they have a contract with the publisher/developer that says they have to). Simple as that.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think you don't understand 'free speech'.

Hatred's killing level is way beyond almost any other game...perhaps you don't understand the game either.

I'm sorry, are you saying that COD and BF killing isn't hatred killing? What other form of killing is there? Compassion killing? Last I checked murder is murder. Only the persons perspective doing the killing makes it right to some people. Pretty sure the person dying doesn't think the person killing them is in the right regardless of their 'reasoning/context'.

BTW, I'm not saying you are wrong. Peoples opinions on what is right and/or over the line are their own. I just don't see a difference in computer killing just because someone puts a coat of paint on it.

I might also add, as a personal background that I used to play tons of MP FPS. Doom/Quake/Unreal/Tactical Ops/COD,BF, you name it I played it. Then I was overseas. When I came back, I tried playing those games and just couldn't. Something wasn't the same. The same pit in my stomach that I got trying to play Postal all those years ago.

What this means to me is I do see that it is meaningless killing. It just doesn't work for me anymore, but i do realize they are just games, and have no issues with other people who want to play them. My personal beliefs and limitations are my own and I make the decision to not play. I don't try to tell anyone they shouldn't.

I don't fault Steam, but I do question those that comment in this thread that 'omg why would anyone play such a game' etc etc when the reality is just that. It's just a game and it is just a few textures that make it any different than the rest of the same type of games out there.

 

[Qbah]

Killing is the point of Hatred. There's no other goal in the game. In games like CoD, BF or RPG games (or any other sane game), you have a goal (save someone, kill a bad guy, conquer the world, something) and the game puts enemies on your path you need to dispose of to reach your goal. It's either them (game over for you) or you (move to next objective/win). This makes a huge difference, I don't understand how can this be not understood? As an example, one of the CoD games had a section where you had to kill innocent people on an airport. This was crossing the line for me. There is never any reason to kill innocent people and making it a goal for the player is sickening for me. Even if it's just a game.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Killing is the point of Hatred. There's no other goal in the game. In games like CoD, BF or RPG games (or any other sane game), you have a goal (save someone, kill a bad guy, conquer the world, something) and the game puts enemies on your path you need to dispose of to reach your goal. It's either them (game over for you) or you (move to next objective/win). This makes a huge difference, I don't understand how can this be not understood? As an example, one of the CoD games had a section where you had to kill innocent people on an airport. This was crossing the line for me. There is never any reason to kill innocent people and making it a goal for the player is sickening for me. Even if it's just a game.

I completely understand. What part do you not? You've never killed an innocent in a game? The game itself is just a shock value game, nothing more. It's working as intended obviously.

There are games where you can be good or evil. Killing is the point in most all of those games. Nothing more. You progress by killing. What does it matter the goal? Someone innocent is always dying in games. It's a storyline. This game also has a storyline. That is all it is. My guess is most people who play it would have a pretty uneasy pit in their stomach by the end of it. Obviously this game has touched a nerve, but rightly so. It's pushing a boundary, happens all the time in entertainment. 10-20 years from now, no one will care. Todays R rating is tomorrows PG-13. Yes the game is in bad taste in the current climate, but eh, I think people are overreacting a bit. Let your wallet do the talking and simply don't get it. (I don't plan to).