How does Anandtech feel about the FCC trying to change the rules of the Internet? (Net Neutrality)

[Mai72]

So, basically Anandtech could charge us $9.99 to post here? Plus,. $.99 for every link and pic that we include?

 

[ch33zw1z]

So, basically Anandtech could charge us $9.99 to post here? Plus,. $.99 for every link and pic that we include?

AT can do that if they want.

If ISP's get their way, youll be subject to pricing and fees based on what packets you want to send.

Want to stream video like netflix, or hulu, etc...well you're a heavy user and will pay for that privelege. I suspect that streaming will effect pricing enough to make regular cable seem appealing again.

Grandma just checking email? pays way less....but not necessarily effecting her speeds, just the packets shes allowed to send.

 

[Engineer]

AT can do that if they want.

If ISP's get their way, youll be subject to pricing and fees based on what packets you want to send.

Want to stream video like netflix, or hulu, etc...well you're a heavy user and will pay for that privelege. I suspect that streaming will effect pricing enough to make regular cable seem appealing again.

Grandma just checking email? pays way less....but not necessarily effecting her speeds, just the packets shes allowed to send.

FCC: Nah, trust us. If we remove this burdensome regulation on these fine ISP's, they will be allowed to invest and grow their networks again and competition will come forth in ways we've never seen. Prices will go down and everyone will win. The ISPs promised....I swear! Pai

 

[ch33zw1z]

Of course, how foolish of me to assume that greedy corporations want MORE money. Im just so silly sometimes

 

[SMOGZINN]

So, basically Anandtech could charge us $9.99 to post here? Plus,. $.99 for every link and pic that we include?

AT can already do that if they want. There are plenty of pay sights on the internet. Removing Net Neutrality means that your ISP could charge you to post on AT, and charge AT to allow you to post, and AT could charge you to post. Your ISP could also charge you to click on a link I posted on AT, which charged me to post the link, which my ISP charged me to post the link. Then they could charge you to read the information on the link that they charged me to post, that AT charged me to post, that your ISP charged you to read, that AT charged you to read, that your ISP charged you to click on. The entire internet could become one giant microtransaction machine that is fully Pay to Win, and it is the ISPs that win every time.

 

[Engineer]

FCC's own Chief Technology Officer emails Pai and warns against repeal of NN...

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/13/net-neutrality-repeal-warning-eric-burger-fcc-259968

 

[IronWing]

AT can already do that if they want. There are plenty of pay sights on the internet. Removing Net Neutrality means that your ISP could charge you to post on AT, and charge AT to allow you to post, and AT could charge you to post. Your ISP could also charge you to click on a link I posted on AT, which charged me to post the link, which my ISP charged me to post the link. Then they could charge you to read the information on the link that they charged me to post, that AT charged me to post, that your ISP charged you to read, that AT charged you to read, that your ISP charged you to click on. The entire internet could become one giant microtransaction machine that is fully Pay to Win, and it is the ISPs that win every time.

Yep, and AT could simple cease to exist on your internet if your ISP chose to make it so.

Do the new rules or lack there of include anything on ISP ad insertion?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Yep, and AT could simple cease to exist on your internet if your ISP chose to make it so.

Do the new rules or lack there of include anything on ISP ad insertion?

I don't think so, but I'm not sure because I've never managed to get the FCCs website to load the document.

 

[KMFJD]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/dec/13/washington-will-keep-net-neutrality-in-state-if-fc

Washington will enforce its own version of net neutrality if the Federal Communications Commission votes Thursday to change national rules, Gov. Jay Inslee said Wednesday

hmm

 

[Engineer]

If anyone wants to watch the asshat Pai and his GOP crew kill NN live, here you go....

https://www.fcc.gov/general/live

 

[zinfamous]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/dec/13/washington-will-keep-net-neutrality-in-state-if-fc

Washington will enforce its own version of net neutrality if the Federal Communications Commission votes Thursday to change national rules, Gov. Jay Inslee said Wednesday

hmm

well, probably just need Jerry Brown and CA to get on board with the same and it would likely neuter any FCC vote.

 

[Engineer]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/dec/13/washington-will-keep-net-neutrality-in-state-if-fc

Washington will enforce its own version of net neutrality if the Federal Communications Commission votes Thursday to change national rules, Gov. Jay Inslee said Wednesday

hmm

Of course, the FCC is going to attempt to put code into this 'new framework' to keep states from trying to do this on their own. So much for states rights.

 

[UNCjigga]

I think a lot of folks are struggling to anticipate what a net neutrality repeal would mean. People have talked about fast vs slow lanes or buying packages of content from ISPs. I think the most immediate impact would be price increases for Netflix, Hulu and other OTT TV/movie services. ISPs may offer to offset some of these costs on the condition that these services use their ad networks, so that you may end up with more ads on free services such as YouTube. Basically, the services consuming the most bandwidth will become more expensive, and ISPs will be rent seekers looking to offset losses from their declining subscription models.

 

[Engineer]

Remarks on this are happening now. Vote to follow, but we all know that's a formality as NN will be removed.

The battle will then move to court in January (once this hits the books) and, most likely, Congress will have to pass legislation mandating NN. Don't think a GOP CONgress will do that. Maybe if enough voters become outraged enough...but I doubt that too.

 

[snoopy7548]

Watching now. Clyburn is doing a good job laying out the usual arguments. I fully expect this to pass but who knows. Miracles can happen.

 

[Engineer]

Watching now. Clyburn is doing a good job laying out the usual arguments. I fully expect this to pass but who knows. Miracles can happen.

There won't be another Alabama miracle today on this. Asshat Pai and his flunkies are going to pass this piece of shit. I have turned it off and will just wait for the fireworks after the fact.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Christ it pisses me off how many of these fucks are attempting to state 'the internet today is thanks to the lack of oversight/regulation', completely ignoring the fact that the reasons NN was implemented was BECAUSE the goddamn providers started creeping their hands into the cookie jar. I want to bash every one of them over the head with a nailbat.

 

[snoopy7548]

There won't be another Alabama miracle today on this. Asshat Pai and his flunkies are going to pass this piece of shit. I have turned it off and will just wait for the fireworks after the fact.

You're right. O'Reilly yea'd it, and now Carr is spewing his nonsense. That's it, folks. Looking forward to the lawsuits, though! The war isn't over.

 

[Engineer]

Christ it pisses me off how many of these fucks are attempting to state 'the internet today is thanks to the lack of oversight/regulation', completely ignoring the fact that the reasons NN was implemented was BECAUSE the goddamn providers started creeping their hands into the cookie jar. I want to bash every one of them over the head with a nailbat.

Not according to the GOP asshats on the FCC. According to them, we had a great, non-restrictive Internet before the 2015 rules were put in place and investment has dropped (which has been debunked more times than I can count).

It's a farce.....

 

[theeedude]

Republicans have successfully managed to make 80% of the country support net neutrality. Enjoy you Pyrrhic "victory," Verizon, Comcast, and AT&T. We are coming for you.

 

[Viper GTS]

WTF just happened in there? All evacuated, cops came in, and now the feed is down.

Is it bad that I hope a few of them have heart attacks from the excitement?

Viper GTS

 

[snoopy7548]

Two yeas and two nays. The suspense is killing me! What will Pai vote?! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Well, that is it. We have lost the freedom of the internet. I encourage everyone to get out this weekend and protest. Let the government know that this MUST BE a top priority for Congress. Even before 'Tax Reform'. We need a Constitutional Amendment, nothing less will do. We can't allow them to ignore us and keep handing our future to a corporate oligopoly.

 

[Grooveriding]

Wow. Get fucked I guess.

 

[theeedude]

This is what happens when you give Republicans control of anything. Complete and total corruption. That's why we tossed them out in California, and now we need to do so nationally.