zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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many local municipalities have tried, and have consistently been shut down by state republican legislators walking around with suspiciously large sacks of money. Richmond, VA, is the most recent victim that I recall.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
- Jun 17, 2005
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Most people don't know or care how the internet works. The ISPs will not be blatant about it, they will be subtle. Because without net neutrality they don't even have to tell us they are messing with our internet. They will not stop you from watching Netflix, they will just throttle the connection about half the time so it is not in HD. The will not block Amazon, they will inject advertisements into their page and keep track of what things you are shopping for. They won't stop you from searching for something on Google, they will just re-order the search results to move their 'premium partner's' results to the top.
crashtech
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2013
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I suppose those that don't notice aren't negatively impacted enough to matter. For the rest of us, I hope the market will provide some choice, if not, then it's up to the government to eventually bust up the monopoly.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
- Jun 17, 2005
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https://arstechnica.com/information...d-every-day-because-verizon-wants-more-money/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...will-pay-tolls-to-more-isps-not-just-comcast/
https://arstechnica.com/information...dent-about-getting-payments-from-netflix-too/
https://www.infoworld.com/article/2925839/net-neutrality/code-injection-new-low-isps.html
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/04/how-a-banner-ad-for-hs-ok/
https://gizmodo.com/comcast-appears-to-be-injecting-browser-pop-ups-to-upse-1752633484
http://www.zdnet.com/article/are-your-search-engine-queries-being-hijacked/
repoman0
Diamond Member
- Jun 17, 2010
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I'm not an expert, but I don't think the second two examples can happen anymore now that HTTPS is the standard. They can definitely throttle content though.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
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There are several ways that it can still happen. Since it is the ISP we are talking about a 'man in the middle' attack is trivial to pull off. Anyone that doesn't know how, or that they should, change what DNS server they are using is subject to DNS injection attacks.
repoman0
Diamond Member
- Jun 17, 2010
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Fair enough, I know that many corporations break HTTPS with a man in the middle but I don't know of any ISP that has been bold enough to try it. They could easily become emboldened though and with no competition or regulation, consumers would have no choice and many won't care.
You know, if it is a utility, like a street, trucks pay more licensing fees because they use more of the road. So there is that to consider as well.
Are ISPs using ads something that net neutrality aims to stop? Tracking on things like facebook is at least avoidable. Although you can almost argue that it is a utility in its own way. But pick another smaller website that tracks and uses browsing data for its ads, that would at least be avoidable whereas an ISP is not.
It is interesting though that a lot of ISPs actually didn't engage in this practice prior to 2015 when the rules went into place.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
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Yes, but the ISPs already charge us for how much data we use, in the form of bandwidth. This would be like local governments telling Amazon that if they don't pay a extra fee to the government they are going to stop all their trucks and make them sit in a special parking lot for at least 4 days so they miss all their next day and 3rd day delivery that their customers paid for.
Some of this has always been going on. It is just that in the last decade or so with broadband becoming the norm competition has really dropped off and consumers have become less informed (in the past a lot larger percent of internet users were technical people, now every grandmother has a internet connection.)
- Mar 10, 2007
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I'll post this here and edit the original post with the link (not sure why I didn't include it before).
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
The FCC are scheduled to vote on December 14th to kill net neutrality.
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
The FCC are scheduled to vote on December 14th to kill net neutrality.
Thebobo
Lifer
- Jun 19, 2006
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Conservatives are like your asshole/stepdad dad that never let you have nice things.
snoopy7548
Diamond Member
- Jan 1, 2005
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And they take what nice things you have and throw them in the trash.
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
- Aug 20, 2000
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That isn't because of their freedom-loving nature - they knew the hammer would come down from Obama's FCC if they monkeyed around. Now who knows what'll happen.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
- Aug 25, 2001
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Mesh networks are the future.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/14/a...he-us-and-helps-connect-puerto-rico/?ncid=rss
the FCC is supposedly releasing their plan to destroy net-neutrality this week, possibly today - https://www.wired.com/story/fcc-prepares-to-unveil-plan-to-gut-net-neutrality/
- Mar 10, 2007
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Call the FCC at 1-888-225-5322 (Option 1, option 4, option 2, option 0. You're entering a complaint on proceeding 17-108. Be polite, be concise, and be firm.). Be prepared to wait (some people claim upwards of two hour wait times). Be polite. But call them. Call your congressmen. Call your senators. Call the people who support net neutrality and tell them they have your support. Call the people who oppose net neutrality and tell them why they should change their minds.
There's rumor that Ajit is getting edgy about how many people are rallying against him, so there's talk of him pushing the vote ahead of schedule and trying to use the holidays to sneak it through. December 14th was the date set for the vote, but that's not guaranteed anymore. The thing is that if they do gut net neutrality, it will be the equivalent of playing a current EA game every time you try to use the internet. You can pay extra for faster speeds to certain sites or you can sit and wait forever like we did with dial-up. Youtube videos will have longer buffering times than the actual video's length. Popular sites like Reddit, Imgur, Facebook, and any other social media sites will be heavily monitored and possibly even restricted unless you're using the right ISP (everyone else will have to pay extra for access).
Billion dollar corporations don't care in the slightest about the average person and if we let them take the reigns over the internet, it's going to get really rough really fast. I don't expect it to last forever, but when the rules are gone and they can do whatever they want, the average person trying to post something to twitter or watch a short youtube video about how to change the air filter in their 2002 Honda Civic is going to require opening your wallet. Billion dollar companies don't end up to be billion dollar companies by doing what's best for the little guy or handing out giant wads of money to the lowly janitors and blue-collar workers that keep their companies running. They become billion dollar corporations by nickle and diming everybody in every single facet imaginable until you're working extra hours for less money. Given how popular sites like Youtube, Reddit, and social media sites are, they are going to make a killing by charging extra for normal speed to those sites.
Here's some more numbers and e-mail:
US Capitol Switchboard: 1-202-224-3121
Email and phone number of the FCC's Inspector General Hotline: hotline@fcc.gov 1-212-418-0473
If any of you enjoy browsing this site, watching videos (adult kind or otherwise), or even playing video games online with your buddies, you need to do something.
There's rumor that Ajit is getting edgy about how many people are rallying against him, so there's talk of him pushing the vote ahead of schedule and trying to use the holidays to sneak it through. December 14th was the date set for the vote, but that's not guaranteed anymore. The thing is that if they do gut net neutrality, it will be the equivalent of playing a current EA game every time you try to use the internet. You can pay extra for faster speeds to certain sites or you can sit and wait forever like we did with dial-up. Youtube videos will have longer buffering times than the actual video's length. Popular sites like Reddit, Imgur, Facebook, and any other social media sites will be heavily monitored and possibly even restricted unless you're using the right ISP (everyone else will have to pay extra for access).
Billion dollar corporations don't care in the slightest about the average person and if we let them take the reigns over the internet, it's going to get really rough really fast. I don't expect it to last forever, but when the rules are gone and they can do whatever they want, the average person trying to post something to twitter or watch a short youtube video about how to change the air filter in their 2002 Honda Civic is going to require opening your wallet. Billion dollar companies don't end up to be billion dollar companies by doing what's best for the little guy or handing out giant wads of money to the lowly janitors and blue-collar workers that keep their companies running. They become billion dollar corporations by nickle and diming everybody in every single facet imaginable until you're working extra hours for less money. Given how popular sites like Youtube, Reddit, and social media sites are, they are going to make a killing by charging extra for normal speed to those sites.
Here's some more numbers and e-mail:
US Capitol Switchboard: 1-202-224-3121
Email and phone number of the FCC's Inspector General Hotline: hotline@fcc.gov 1-212-418-0473
If any of you enjoy browsing this site, watching videos (adult kind or otherwise), or even playing video games online with your buddies, you need to do something.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
- Jun 17, 2005
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I don't think there is any hope of changing the FCCs mind. They are not elected officials, they are appointed. What you got right is that we need to call our congressmen. It is Congress we need to petition. We need to take this out of the FCCs hands. We need Congress to declare the Internet as a utility and makes net neutrality law.
Otherwise we are going to be fighting this battle every few years until we lose simply due to fatigue. Those working against Net Neutrality are paid by major corporations, this is their job 40 hours a week. We can not hope to match their resources or maintain their level of attention to this topic. We need to settle this issue once and for all.
Unfortunately I doubt that a Republican congress will vote for Net Neutrality. They will frame it as more government regulations getting in the way of business, because ultimately their sympathies are not with us. I think we need to be prepared to lose this battle and be looking towards how to win the war.
Once entrenched, ISPs/network equipment providers will probably be able to prevent this from happening. The absolute best case scenario, is a second 'internet' would be built localized to specific areas, but interconnection between those places requires a backbone and access to DNS (some DNS), which probably ain't gonna happen easily.
theeedude
Lifer
- Feb 5, 2006
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Petitions are a waste of time. Only thing that might work is throwing Republicans out in 2018 and 2020, and letting them know Net Neutrality is a reason.
The absolutely massive outpouring during the FCC comment period showed exactly what the US population wanted, and showed exactly what the govt did with that knowledge; wiped their ass with it. Petitions do nothing unless it's backed up by force, apparently.
unseenmorbidity
Golden Member
- Nov 27, 2016
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President Obama on Monday nominated Democrat Jessica Rosenworcel and Republican Ajit Varadaraj Pai to the Federal Communications Commission, bringing relatively young but experienced telecom policy experts to an agency trying to redefine itself in the Internet age
As I've been saying, Trump is just continuing Obama's bullshit or more appropriately, Trump's cabinet is. Trump is likely sitting on his ass watching Faux news, and playing golf.
As I've been saying, Trump is just continuing Obama's bullshit or more appropriately, Trump's cabinet is. Trump is likely sitting on his ass watching Faux news, and playing golf.
This is now the third thread you've sprinkled your droppings in. Care to start just dumping it to /dev/null rather than threadcrapping?
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