How does 7850 compare to 5850, clock for clock?

[aaksheytalwar]

Bottom line, an oced 7850 is comparable to a stock 7950 or a bit faster.

An oced 5850 is a bit slower than a stock 5870 or about stock 6870.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7870_Twin_Frozr/26.html

111/66 at 25x14 gives about 68% performance boost in terms of average FPS comparing a 7950 vs 6870.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

He has a 1080p screen, so you should probably stay specific to that resolution.

 

[railven]

I have calculated for each game. All games are above 25%, and most are +-30% stock vs stock.

1.15 on the 5850 isn't a given but the max it may touch. 1.69 on the 7850 is assured under every circumstance.

So a 45% difference in avg FPS is guaranteed irrespective of everything. But in a more realistic situation it is going to be 50-75% avg FPS and 60-100% minimum FPS.

I can't waste more time. I tried to help. The OP can decide whatever he wants, if you need more help with details, please PM me. I am tired of fighting.

Wow, I wasn't aware we were fighting. In my initial post I stated I wasn't sure where you were getting your numbers from. Last time I ask you for clarification.

Notice: I wasn't the only person who made a similar mistake.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

 

[aaksheytalwar]

If you use a good amount of AA with 1080p, it becomes more intensive than 1440p without AA.

Also, games of 2012 may stress the GPU as much at 1080p as games of 2010 did at 1440p. As a general notion, that is.

Besides, there are games I can play at 1440p with MSAA and older games which I may not even be able to max out at 1440p and Metro not even at 1080p. So when playing more intensive games or with more AA or with tesselation or most newer games, the difference will be greater than the average we have calculated which too is about 70% oc vs oc.

So it isn't wrong to admit that by the time we enter 2013, a lot of games would perform nearly 80-100% faster with an oced 7850.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It just seems really high since my 470s don't suffer from tess like the 5850 does, but I didn't think there would be a 60%~ performance difference between an OC 470 and a OC 5850.

How far behind a 580 is the 5850 on avg with an OC? Because a single 470 OC can beat a stock 580...

 

[RaistlinZ]

Let's just look at the Anand Bench comparison to settle the matter. The 7850 is a good 30% faster than a 5850, as well as being way ahead in compute and tessellation.

It uses about 16% less power and runs 10c cooler under load. For $239.99 it's a nice upgrade, and you can offset the cost by selling your 5850. :ninja:

 

[toyota]

Let's just look at the Anand Bench comparison to settle the matter. The 7850 is a good 30% faster than a 5850, as well as being way ahead in compute and tessellation.

It uses about 16% less power and runs 10c cooler under load. For $239.99 it's a nice upgrade, and you can offset the cost by selling your 5850. :ninja:

the 5850 was 260 bucks at launch so to only get 30% more performance 2.5 years later for basically the same price is some pretty poor progress.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

This is because 7xxx series are crap at stock. But once you overclock, they are one of the best series till date.

The difference in performance btw an oced 7850 and oced 5850 is at least 40-50%+ in terms of average FPS in the most lenient of cases. In some cases it is as much as 100% extra and minimum FPS are often 50-100% more. This kind of difference for this much money may not sound awesome but it is definitely not bad, and is a definite upgrade for an aging card.

Don't think of it as buying 7850 oc performance. Think of it as buying 7950 stock performance for $260. That doesn't sound too bad, does it. And even the bottom 10% of cards will probably score greater than a stock 7870 when they are overclocked, but almost all would easily come very close to a stock 7950 with volt modd and 7870 / 7870 oc without volt mod.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Toyota,

30% performance boost after 2.5 years is not very lacking, given the other improvements: smaller manufacturing process, low power draw, better tessellation, runs cooler, new AA modes, twice the DRAM, etc.

Maybe the 660/650 will put some more pressure on prices but right now the only competition at that price point is the 560Ti, which gets killed in tessellation and uses 50% more power.

And aaksheytalwar makes a good point about the difference between the cards once overclocked. It'll be around 50%.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

And a 5850 was underpriced, it was actually worth $400+ if you compete with nvidias then product. The 7850 is priced right for today's standards.

 

[toyota]

Toyota,

30% performance boost after 2.5 years is not very lacking, given the other improvements: smaller manufacturing process, low power draw, better tessellation, runs cooler, new AA modes, twice the DRAM, etc.

Maybe the 660/650 will put some more pressure on prices but right now the only competition at that price point is the 560Ti, which gets killed in tessellation and uses 50% more power.

And aaksheytalwar makes a good point about the difference between the cards once overclocked. It'll be around 50%.

2.5 years later and only 30% faster at the same price point is a freaking joke. we should be doubling performance at the same price point after 2 generations of cards and 2.5 years.

 

[NIGELG]

2.5 years later and only 30% faster at the same price point is a freaking joke. we should be doubling performance at the same price point after 2 generations of cards and 2.5 years.

Apply for a job at AMD or Nvidia and design a better card at that price that meets your expectations....because I'm sure if AMD or Nvidia and their engineers could then they would....

I have a 5850 and the 7870 seems like a good upgrade.

 

[toyota]

Apply for a job at AMD or Nvidia and design a better card at that price that meets your expectations....because I'm sure if AMD or Nvidia and their engineers could then they would....

I have a 5850 and the 7870 seems like a good upgrade.

sorry but its sad that we are getting less and less for our money where we used to get nice improvements. enjoy your $350 "mid range" card though.

 

[railven]

sorry but its sad that we are getting less and less for our money where we used to get nice improvements. enjoy your $350 "mid range" card though.

I thought the 78xx were entry/mainstream and the GTX 680/HD79xx were the mid-range cards?

 

[toyota]

I thought the 78xx were entry/mainstream and the GTX 680/HD79xx were the mid-range cards?

what are you trying to say here? if the 7800 are entry then what are the 7700 cards? not to mention the 7600 cards.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

7970 high end
7950 performance
7870 mid end
7850 mid range
7770 low end
7750 entry level
7600 doesn't exist

 

[railven]

what are you trying to say here? if the 7800 are entry then what are the 7700 cards? not to mention the 7600 cards.

Clearly HTPC and money grabs

 

[toyota]

7970 high end
7950 performance
7870 mid end
7850 mid range
7770 low end
7750 entry level
7600 doesn't exist

the 7600 and even 7400 cards do exist for oem but they are just rebadged 6 and even 5 series cards

 

[NIGELG]

sorry but its sad that we are getting less and less for our money where we used to get nice improvements. enjoy your $350 "mid range" card though.

Well how do you suggest they fix it?I don't mind paying 300 bucks for 580gtx performance.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

An Oced 7850 competes with Oced 580 for $250 an Oced 7870 is faster than stock 7950 or low oc 7950 for $350. An Oced 7870 is about 10% faster than Oced 7850. Oced 7870 is sure shot faster than Oced 580. Oced 7850 is a bit faster than Oced 580 or 560 ti 448

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Dunno about the 580 OC, it's not much faster than a 470 OC and that's just basically a ti 448 without the full speed FP16 performance.

 

[gammaray]

Do you reduce the lifespan of a 7850 if you OC it?

And if so, say you OC by 25%, how many years are we talking here?

(please dont tell me that why should i care since im gonna upgrade after 2-3 years, cos i sell my old cards and i dont wanna rip-off anyone)

 

[toyota]

Well how do you suggest they fix it?I don't mind paying 300 bucks for 580gtx performance.

7870 launched at 350 bucks and was only about 5-10% faster than the last gen gtx570 which launched at 350 bucks 15 months before the 7870. heck prices had already dropped below 350 bucks for the gtx570 by the time the 7870 launched. in fact I bought my gtx570 for for 260 bucks 7 months ago. the ONLY way people can remotely justify the 7 series prices are to try and talk about overclocking.

 

[Termie]

2.5 years later and only 30% faster at the same price point is a freaking joke. we should be doubling performance at the same price point after 2 generations of cards and 2.5 years.

This.

And to answer the OP's question, no, the 7850 is not a good upgrade. It's 30% faster than a 5850 at stock, and despite what a frequent poster who owns neither your card or a 7850 says, it will neither get a better overclock than your card nor will it magically scale better with that overclock.

You want an upgrade you will actually feel? Get the 7950 for $380.