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How do you view the West Coast? The East Coast?

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everything on the west coast is so.... new. it's weird. I love the city that I work in... tons of old architecture, churches that have been here since the 1600's, etc. reminds me a lot of European cities (though of course not as old). the west coast seems far more geared towards a driving lifestyle, where you have to get in your car and hit the highway to get anywhere. it makes the residential areas seem to insulated and bland.

Cali, at least, is a lot more laid back than the North East. My company has another data center in Silicon Valley, and I go crazy any time I have to deal with the left coast techs.
 
Originally posted by: MisterCornell
You are talking about large chunks of the country. I don't know that much about the West Coast, but the only thing the East Coast has in common with itself is the Atlantic Ocean. The New York City area is nothing like a fishing village in Maine, and both are a world removed from coastal, rural Georgia.

And then there's Miami...
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I'm guessing NY vs Cali make more sense
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I think the people in control of California and in particular Hollywood are too "liberal" in the senses of
(a) Being politically correct with the same humorless arrogant fervor of the Taliban, and equally ready to impose thier world-view on nonbelievers.
(b) Not believing in any boundaries of good taste. I'm not personally offended by naked body parts on television, but a lot of what I see on network television is a cesspool of crudity.
(c) Holding anything related to traditional religion, non-urban life and "family values" in contempt.
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Um... you do realize this makes no sense? How can Hollywood be too politically correct and have "no boundaries of good taste" at the same time? So you don't want "crudity"... but you hate political correctness? Make up your mind! Politically correctness is catering to one group's views of what's tasteful or not. What you think is tasteless I might find quite enjoyable.



 
Originally posted by: tangent1138
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I think the people in control of California and in particular Hollywood are too "liberal" in the senses of
(a) Being politically correct with the same humorless arrogant fervor of the Taliban, and equally ready to impose thier world-view on nonbelievers.
(b) Not believing in any boundaries of good taste. I'm not personally offended by naked body parts on television, but a lot of what I see on network television is a cesspool of crudity.
(c) Holding anything related to traditional religion, non-urban life and "family values" in contempt.
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Um... you do realize this makes no sense? How can Hollywood be too politically correct and have "no boundaries of good taste" at the same time? So you don't want "crudity"... but you hate political correctness? Make up your mind! Politically correctness is catering to one group's views of what's tasteful or not. What you think is tasteless I might find quite enjoyable.
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Not to mention that the MPAA/RIAA is suing people for stealing. So if that's the case, doesn't this contradict (c)?
 
I've never been to the east coast, so I can't say anything about that. I have had a lot of fun visiting the west coast, from California to Washington.
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: tangent1138
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I think the people in control of California and in particular Hollywood are too "liberal" in the senses of
(a) Being politically correct with the same humorless arrogant fervor of the Taliban, and equally ready to impose thier world-view on nonbelievers.
(b) Not believing in any boundaries of good taste. I'm not personally offended by naked body parts on television, but a lot of what I see on network television is a cesspool of crudity.
(c) Holding anything related to traditional religion, non-urban life and "family values" in contempt.
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Um... you do realize this makes no sense? How can Hollywood be too politically correct and have "no boundaries of good taste" at the same time? So you don't want "crudity"... but you hate political correctness? Make up your mind! Politically correctness is catering to one group's views of what's tasteful or not. What you think is tasteless I might find quite enjoyable.
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Not to mention that the MPAA/RIAA is suing people for stealing. So if that's the case, doesn't this contradict (c)?
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That's one problem with trying to make a point in 3 paragraphs instead of 3 pages, the qualifiers and detailed explanations are missing.

By (a) I was referring to liberal political correctness with regard to race, gender, sexual preference, culture, past wrongs or bias against any of same.

Specific examples would be rejecting the teaching of Western literature in favor of multiculturalism, and censorship of classics like Huckleberry Finn to prevent offense instead of leaving the text untouched and discussing with students the historical context in which it was created.

A more absurd example is the city of Los Angeles informing vendors that the jumper settings on hard drives are offensive to those whose ancestors might have been slaves.

(a) applies more to the political and educational culture in California than to the products of Hollywod.


There is no conflict between (c) and the MPAA. They are working to protect member company profits, not teach virtues.


Also you shouldn't take the fact that I find jokes about anal sex on Will & Grace to be crude, to mean that I'm offended or calling for censorship. I'm not. It's actually a bit sad, since pay cable can use an expletive when it makes sense to the story, while network TV tries to compete by packing as much gratuitous watered-down innuendo as they can slip past the censors.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Seinfeld was funny but I'd hate to have friends like them.
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the east coast isnt like the show seinfeld. It would be more intresting if it was 🙂
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
That's one problem with trying to make a point in 3 paragraphs instead of 3 pages, the qualifiers and detailed explanations are missing.

By (a) I was referring to liberal political correctness with regard to race, gender, sexual preference, culture, past wrongs or bias against any of same.

Specific examples would be rejecting the teaching of Western literature in favor of multiculturalism, and censorship of classics like Huckleberry Finn to prevent offense instead of leaving the text untouched and discussing with students the historical context in which it was created.

A more absurd example is the city of Los Angeles informing vendors that the jumper settings on hard drives are offensive to those whose ancestors might have been slaves.

(a) applies more to the political and educational culture in California than to the products of Hollywod.


There is no conflict between (c) and the MPAA. They are working to protect member company profits, not teach virtues.

Also you shouldn't take the fact that I find jokes about anal sex on Will & Grace to be crude, to mean that I'm offended or calling for censorship. I'm not. It's actually a bit sad, since pay cable can use an expletive when it makes sense to the story, while network TV tries to compete by packing as much gratuitous watered-down innuendo as they can slip past the censors.
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Not to threadjack, but just to finish out this discussion:

I think to label it "liberal political correctness" is a mistake. A liberal or conservative political stance has nothing to due with "politcally correct" behavior.

"Politically correct" has become a negative concept even though we all do it to some extent. For example, I consider myself pretty easy going and tolerant, but I wouldn't drive to South Central Los Angeles and yell the word "ni**er"-- both because (A) I'm not black so I don't think I have a right to use that word and (B) because I would fear for my safety. Is that politcally correct or just common sense? But on the flipside, being angry about labeling hard drives "slave" is obviously absurd.



I'm still not really sure how Hollywood is holding "traditional religion, non-urban life and 'family values' in contempt". First of all: what are family values? Your family, I'm sure, is different than mine. Your family may believe in sexual abstinence for unmarried couples while mine believes in proper birth control. My family may not believe in same sex relationships, while yours does. So who can say what "family values" are. Or even "traditional religion"? Which religion? Christian, Jewish, Islam?







 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
it is all the same, everybody thinks where they live is cool

i have lived all over and it is all about the same, except the weather

lived in:

Oregon - 1966
Washington - 1966-1984
Florida - 1984
Washington - 1985
Idaho - 1985
Washington - 1986
Florida - 1986-1987
Idaho - 1987-1988
Washington - 1988-1992
New York - 1992-1998
Georgia - 1998-2000
Missouri - 2000 to present

any place is as good a place to live as you make it :sun:
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Yay. 🙂
 
East Coast: Old Money. Traditional, in touch with America's roots. Much more history. Victorian.

West Coast: Overtaxed. New money that's a little too idealistic to understand that the world is not a nice shiney happy place and that it never will be. Self-righteous about how much they do to help out the "less fortunate" but blind to the fact that the "less fortunate" on the West Coast are no better off than those on the East Coast. Distrustful. Scatterbrained; they can't pick one thing and do it well, they have to try to do everything and as a result everything gets botched.

The vast areas in the middle: Honest. Hard-working. Unashamed. Blunt. Still have the "Protestant Work Ethic" that both coasts have largely lost. Belief that if a man won't work, he doesn't deserve support, but that if a man physically cannot work that his neighbors should help out without being legally compelled to do so. Simple; they don't bother with fancy or exotic meals and they like it that way. They know that animals are for eating and that vegetables aren't food, they're what food eats.

Give me the Midwest and the Plains any day. Just sucks that there aren't great job oportunities there for my field.

ZV
 
Wow this thread is full of sweeping generalizations about millions of people.

As someone said, you should already know what coast I picked, I cant be objective really with palm trees tattooed on my shoulders 😛
 
Originally posted by: tangent1138
Not to threadjack, but just to finish out this discussion:

I think to label it "liberal political correctness" is a mistake. A liberal or conservative political stance has nothing to due with "politcally correct" behavior.

"Politically correct" has become a negative concept even though we all do it to some extent. For example, I consider myself pretty easy going and tolerant, but I wouldn't drive to South Central Los Angeles and yell the word "ni**er"-- both because (A) I'm not black so I don't think I have a right to use that word and (B) because I would fear for my safety. Is that politcally correct or just common sense? But on the flipside, being angry about labeling hard drives "slave" is obviously absurd.

I'm still not really sure how Hollywood is holding "traditional religion, non-urban life and 'family values' in contempt". First of all: what are family values? Your family, I'm sure, is different than mine. Your family may believe in sexual abstinence for unmarried couples while mine believes in proper birth control. My family may not believe in same sex relationships, while yours does. So who can say what "family values" are. Or even "traditional religion"? Which religion? Christian, Jewish, Islam?
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In moderation, political correctness is good, civilized behavior. Realizing there are / have been other cultures outside of modern America, making some effort not to offend different ethnic groups needlessly, etc. all make sense.

It's just that California seems to be in the forefront of taking "being sensitive to" to the extreme of censoring anything which might potentially offend any member of any such group. I've read (in the somewhat liberal Seattle Times) of how reading materials for school classes have been blanded down to point of mind-numbing boredom in order to be safe.


>> "I'm still not really sure how Hollywood is holding "traditional religion, non-urban life and 'family values' in contempt". "

By traditional religion I meant all that you listed and also Buddhism and Hinduism. Aside from flukes like Touched By An Angel, most TV shows are filled with atheists with any religious figures appearing as fanatics or villains. Note that I'm an agnostic myself, it's just hard not to notice the treatment of religion (not as hostile as here in ATOT though).

By contempt for non-urban life and Ward Cleaver family values, I'm not saying Hollywood should be promoting or endorsing any particular lifestyle or family just that as a group they seem to consider anything except West Coast / East Coast urban life as "hicks," quaint, ignorant and less civilized. Again, this isn't me defending a home town of Hickville, since I grew up in Redondo Beach CA (in Los Angeles county) and live in Seattle now.
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
East Coast: Old Money. Traditional, in touch with America's roots. Much more history. Victorian.

West Coast: Overtaxed. New money that's a little too idealistic to understand that the world is not a nice shiney happy place and that it never will be. Self-righteous about how much they do to help out the "less fortunate" but blind to the fact that the "less fortunate" on the West Coast are no better off than those on the East Coast. Distrustful. Scatterbrained; they can't pick one thing and do it well, they have to try to do everything and as a result everything gets botched.

The vast areas in the middle: Honest. Hard-working. Unashamed. Blunt. Still have the "Protestant Work Ethic" that both coasts have largely lost. Belief that if a man won't work, he doesn't deserve support, but that if a man physically cannot work that his neighbors should help out without being legally compelled to do so. Simple; they don't bother with fancy or exotic meals and they like it that way. They know that animals are for eating and that vegetables aren't food, they're what food eats.

Give me the Midwest and the Plains any day. Just sucks that there aren't great job oportunities there for my field.

ZV
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Well, your analysis is a *bit* idealized (😉). I know plenty of people in the midwest who wouldn't help out a dying man's family even *if* they were compelled to do so legally.

I know plenty of midwestern vegetarians, and I know plenty of lazy-ass bastards here in the midwest that don't work nearly hard enough to earn the money they take home.
 
I like the west coast better. I've visited the east coast, and it's not bad, but I still like the west coast better. They're both leaps and bounds above the midwest. The southwest is kind of cool, though.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
They're both leaps and bounds above the midwest.
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I respectfully disagree. 🙂

Other than Boston, I'd live in the midwest over either coast anyday.
 
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